vick told NO camp
 

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7052768?FSO2&ATT=MA

goodell tells MV to stay home. just the beginning of a probable suspension.

Kinda have mixed feelings about this one! Due Process is incomplete.....but a Federal indictment was handed down. The high profile of this case demands action....but he'll probably still get his paycheck!

I think he made a mistake on Tank....already been suspended and fined....then Goodell adds more!

yeah, i liked how he handled pacman, and now this. it's what the league needs--it's what (ahem) the MLB needs.


after all, if the ref from the nba resigns while being investigated--no indictments as yet mind you, now vick gets benched (should have been years ago, but that's just me) and yet bonds, who is being investigated, and supposedly indictments are forthcoming, merrily makes his way from stadium to stadium, while selig seemingly ignores it all. he's like an ostrich in the sand.


it's a shame tho that atlanta didn't do so first--is this so the commish is the bad guy? or did he have to be so, since atlanta wouldn't fall on its sword?
daunte sign with anyone yet??

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7033242

note in there tim, where it says about vick putting himself in the position to be indicted. gruesome stuff.

Oh, I definately think the indictment is warranted,no question(in addition to a sound thrashing) Any time you break (or bend) a law you are asking for trouble!

i was pointing to that as to why the nfl felt the need to have him sit. most likely for the season, or longer if this isn't resolved.
altho, he may be looking at more serious stuff than being benched.

DH: that's what I mean...Tank spent time in jail for the guns and stuff and the Bears had suspended him some games, and then Goodell piles on! It's not like PacMan who just disregarded every rule in the book.

Agreed....but an indictment still must run it's course, and this punk will draw his check, unlike Tank Johnson, who after paying fines and prison time(paying his debt,so to speak) has no job and is suspended for half the season. That doesn't seem right to me!

but he isn't just a chicago player, but an nfl player. i'd imagine it's all in writing about code of conduct etc. and of course he was a repeat offender...whether it was overkill, i don't know. but i don't really feel bad for the guy. violated probation, so he obviously didn't learn his lesson the first time, and continued to make some pretty bad choices.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...n_N.htm?csp=34

it says in that article that the bears suspended him one game for being at the club where the shooting occurred--surely there was more from chicago than that?

yeah, i saw that they will give him his preseason pay, but johnson was convicted, vick has yet to be tried. maybe that has something to do with it, altho of course it's still early on in the nfl movements on this, so who's to say if he ends up with anything as far as pay?

I don't think Tank played in post season. And since his debt was paid in prison, there's a latin phrase...ex post facto...after the fact.....that's the part that Goodell is ignoring!

depends on what's in their contract. all that fine print about code of conduct, etc.
kind of like the military--there are laws saying you can't suffer double jeopardy, try telling the JAG that!

from the initial article: violated league policies, including the Personal Conduct Policy," Goodell said in a letter to the quarterback

Well...there's THAT!

indictment does not need to run its course for the NFL to take action they are a private Company and have that right on top of that all this stuff is in the contracts all these guys sign they have strong ground to stand on and I say good **** Mike Vick he is a Ghetto over paid Bum who has never and will never win anything. I hope he gets time.

be out of football for good.. by just being involved in this.
that would get the rest of the nfl players attention. to go my the book.

Just from listening to the reports about what he's accused of doing.....that's some really disgusting stuff.

If true, that is one seriously messed up person.

He makes Pacman Jones look like a wonderful person. Going to strip clubs with rowdy, thug, friends who get you in trouble doesn't make you a bad person. Vick, on the other hand, is more than deserving of everything he gets. Assuming these four witnesses the feds have are even slightly credible.

Goodall made the right call.

NFL has reserves the right to suspend and more without the legal due process. Someone mentioned the "obscene amount of money"...so keeping your conduct squeaky clean should be enough of an enticement to behave.

Personally, I'd send Vick straight to Guantanomo and forget about him and his legal rights.

i saw yesterday where atlanta had intended to give him a four game suspension.

wooooooow. tough love that.:rolleyes:

thank god for goodall, since many owners haven't got the intestinal fortitude (read cajones) to stand up and say NO to their star players.

altho, vick is so incredibly overrated-i don't see star stats under his name. not even top 20 last year in qb's, with a 52% pass completion. well on his way to the hall of fame! or hall of shame. more pr and hype than substance. so why put up with so much, pay so much for an average player??

what am i thinking?! he sells tickets.

money talks.

coach-killa!

I'm pretty sure a four game suspension is the maximum punishment that any team can hand down. It is a tough situation, if they cut him they will have to cut about 10 other players to absorb the salary cap hit. Of course that's why you don't give someone that much money in signing/roster bonuses in the first place.

The Falcons or the league can't afford the fallout of having this idiot around. Hell they were protesting at NFL HQ, Richmond Courthouse, Ga Dome, and The Falcons facility last week. Can you imagine what it would be like if he was actually at one of those places.

Likely be out for the year, or longer!

What the fucl< are you....the human headline here?

Actually Falcons would save 6 mil this year, but take a 15 mil hit next year, if they release Vick.

Wow. Dog killing on par with terrorism suspects. Sounds about right.

Information is key to make an informed decision.....but not for you,apparently

Please, don't keep me in suspense. Let me know the reason why I support him.........even though I don't. Did I show my support for him by saying that I don't think he's a good person and would never send my kids to any football camp he was hosting? Did I show my support for him by saying he's not someone I could ever see hanging out with? Maybe I showed my support for him when I said that because there is a lot of smoke, I'd be more inclined to believe that he's guilty than innocent? Or was it when I said that if he's found guilty, he should get the same penalty as anyone else would, nothing less? I am curious as to what I've said here that makes u think I support him? The only things I've been in support of are the law, due process, and the theory that a man is innocent until proven guilty. I've said that because of where I'm from and the culture I grew up in, I don't see dog-fighting as that serious of an issue. But that doesn't mean that I don't understand that it's against the law and again, I have been in support of the law and the appropriate punishment that comes with breaking it. I'd hope that when u say that u have finally figured out why I'm in support of him, even though I'm not, that u are saying it's because I'm African American as he is and that I'm going to blindly be on his side simply for that reason. I'd really hope that isn't why u say u have figured it out.

I think the speed limit law is stupd in a lot of places. But I fully understand that the laws are in place and when I'm caught breaking them, I don't complain that I don't deserve the penalty that comes with it. I didn't say that I thought he did nothing wrong either. If he's guilty of what they are saying he is, he DID do something wrong. He broke the law. Now, if u want to ask me if I think the law is just or unjust, that's a different issue. That's where my issue lies. If it were up to me, it wouldn't be against the law because it doesn't bother me. But it's not up to me and it is against the law. I'm just disappointed that u would say it's your opinion that I am in support of him when nothing I've said has said that. If he were found guilty, I'd be perfectly fine with him going to jail, if that's the same penalty anyone else would get. If he were found guilty and kicked out of football, in accordance with Goodell's new policy, I would have absolutely no problem with that either. I do believe that I have said that I do not think that Vick is a good person overall. Yet u still say that I support him. So I guess that if I don't follow the mob and suggest before he gets a chance to be tried that he be banned from football, sent to Guantanomo and killed........that I am supporting him. Ok, if that's your opinion.

What the hell am I squirming out of? I said if he's found guilty, he should pay the price. How is that squirming out? I have never said I don't think he's guilty. What is sad is that this is America and u are saying I'm trying to be different by suggesting we use due process and then decide. Wow. I'm trying to be different by suggesting we uphold the Constitution. That's a sad indictment on our country today. The funny thing is that I agree with u that it's very likely his days are numbered. There is a good chance that he's going to be found guilty and will be banned from football and likely will do some jail time. The only thing at issue is that u want that decision made BEFORE he has a chance at trial and I'm suggesting something radical, like waiting till AFTER he has had a trial.

one side says that what he is accused of is wrong and he should pay the prices for it once due process has run its course.

the other side says what he is accused of is no big deal but since it is against the law he should pay the price once due process has run its course.

the rest is just obfuscation.

no one is advocating a short circuit of his rights. what is appalling though is that there are still people around that would have no problem with dog-fighting being legal because it doesn't bother them.

I must chime in with yer basic eloquence.



In short...


....the "innocent until proven guilty" is a jury instruction....I believe.






If it were taken any further ...what sense would this make:





"Mr. INSERT NAME HERE...we are the police and we are arresting you as you are presumed innocent of killing Mr. VICTIM."



"Mr. INSERT NAME HERE...I am the judge and bound you over to the county jail unless you can produce a $2,000,000 cash bond,,,,as we presume you innocent until proven guilty."








So people are allowed to have opinions as to whether a charged person is gulity or not even before they are proven guity,guilty,guilty,guilty.Even the police and judges may assume that innocent person is guilty.



It jist don't git no simpler 'in 'at.

Any one who thinks you're a simple jokester, just along for the ride or a disruptive presence .... should remember this eloquent, logical and well-phrased post.

100 PIES. The best.

It don't git any better 'en this.

See ya later!