Sumwon's potential boyfriend
 

Chuck has a couple things to vote on per the website. http://www.deeteestable.blogspot.com/

I wanted to talk about her potential boyfriend. Not a bum among 'em.


Empire Maker $100,000 live foal - I think that his dam is what adds value to the prospect.

Ghostzapper $200,000 live foal - Are there any BC Classic champs that make good sires?

Mineshaft $100,000 - so so. Don't think he has produced any runners of note yet.

Rock Hard Ten $50,000 - this big boy may ruin her but he has a decent profile.

If I had to pay the stud fee I would look for a bargain. I think you are lucky to get it back at auction though. The freshman sires usually drop down after the initial buzz. Look at Point Given & Fusaichi Pegasus. Horses like Benchmark used to be $5,000 may still be. He was the sire of Brother Derek.


what about Charismatic $35,000 or his sire Summer Squall $50,000.

Here's a website that evaluates studs in different price ranges.

http://thoroughbredreview.com/StallionWatch.htm

RAHY, PLEASANT TAP or SMART STRIKE

Quiet American might be interesting.

Awesome Again, Sunday Silence, Unbridled, A.P. Indy to name a few

those sires are pretty high for her right now. she'll need to win a few stakes before she can be bred to one of those big boys. some of their stud fees are higher than what she's probably worth currently

While I agree AA is a great sire, I never really considered Awesome Again a BC Classic Champion ;) Silly ride on Swain. Lucky Pat Day :mad:

true, still won the race though..........one of the quirkiest races ive ever seen.

I voted for Rock Hard Ten as I want the best time for Sumwon LOL

and who voted that I would likely be kicked out of the track? I've been kicked out of Arlington less than 5 times.

Last work (7/21)

four furlongs - 50 flat (32/53)

how about Afleet Alex ?

i thought about that as well. while we're at it, how about kitten's joy?

Afleet Alex is a poor cross
Rahy works well in many ways
Smart Strike would make the foal inbred 2x4 to Mr. P which is too close for me
Pleasant Tap works on blood but is probably too big
Quiet American would be 3x4 to Mr. P but would most likely produce a real coarse foal
Charismatic is not under consideration
Summer Squall is dead
Sunday Silence is dead
Unbridled is dead but would be a poor match if we could somehow revive him
Awesome Again is a great match
Kittens Joy is a no because of conformational issues and the fact that I think he has zero shot to be a good stallion

:D :D :D

dumb question, why is Afleet Alex a poor cross?:o

:o

Arch?
War Chant?

Wait! I have tail hair from Unbridled ... let me call one of the private genetic companies .... :cool:

Afleet to Mr P has never worked very well.
I will be surprised if AA is a good stallion

Arch is ok
I am not a big War Chant fan. His horses have been very ordinary and very few handle dirt. He is more like a 10k stallion

So should we send an invite to Rahy for dinner and a movie? :D

If he is still alive ...

sligo bay
hookand ladder
mineshaft
e dubai

http://www.equineline.com/extendedco...areRef=7157094 :D :D

How about Touch Gold?

How about a Mizzen Mast matchup?

How about Dynaformer?

chuck- Did you win free breeding the stallion of your choice in a local poker match?

Boy, I'm slow.

I just figured out how Nice Ass-ay was indeed named after sire and dam :o

Chuck
 

Wait, those horses are actually under consideration?

Humble Janet got 4th in a grade 1 today so that puts Sumwon right there
well.. maybe

But Sumwon did beat her

John,

I'd say it's a little premature to call Mineshaft "so-so" and "not having produced any runners of note yet" considering a whopping 3 of his produce (6 starts) have hit the track to this point...

At least with Mineshaft you can feel good that his running record was based on talent without added influence of chemical enhancement.

If they're anything like Mineshaft, they'll develop late anyway.

was about to say the same thing. ap indys are known to take time, and patience--the end result speaks for itself. i'm thinking mineshaft will be similar.
i think a sire from the family of seattle slew would be right for her.

I've never bred a horse in my life, but here's a dream list of what I'd look for. Nobody finds the dream, it's always a compromise.

I don't know the stallions well enough to know this, so maybe others that do know the stallions and what they throw can answer?

- middle-sized sire (not too big and doesn't throw huge babies, as Sumwon is a big girl)
- relatively compact conformation (but stayer type rather than sprinter type), very balanced with an athletic open way of moving, moderate with no extremes
- ** most important: throws good front legs consistently (good sturdy bone, absolutely no toeing out or back at the knees, a good big foot and has heel - good luck finding this in many thoroughbreds :) )
- deficient in Mr. Prospector in the pedigree
- precocity as 2-year-old not important
- tendency to have babies do better at 7f or over
- ** good temperment, sensible babies that are not crazy, stupid, and wired to the brink of insanity

If a stallion was deficient in ** I'd walk away and not consider him at all :D

Boy, Awesome Again (I just went and looked at him) - nice!

I like Dixieland Band, too - nothing flashy, and not alot of graded stakes runners, but they seem to last and run at 2-3-4 years age

Then wouldn't Unbridled's kid Empire Maker not be a good match.
Now that I look at Charismatic.. not good on classic numbers at all.
So.. since Charismatic's sire and Mineshaft's sire had the same dam..
(Summer Squall is listed as pentioned not dead but he may be dead. Same difference)
The problem I see with all of these freshman sires is... unproven and the buzz may be over by the time Sumwon's baby hit auction. Not that I know a ding dong thing about this.

say.. Congaree raced until he was 5 so maybe will produce sound babies
heck..

Rahy is still available $60,000 for 2007

Why are you all about breeding her already? Unless something happens, she is gonna be a force for like the next two-three years

And a really good Broodmare sire (although I'm fondest of Deputy Minister) Poor guy though...I went with someone to take a mare to AP Indy and Dixieland Band was in the shed first...he had NO interest. I love the look of the yearlings by his son, Dixie Union, although I think he is overpriced. Athletic looking horses that don't look overly developed or will need a lot of time.

Yeah, hopefully by the time she retires there will be little Street Sense's, Curlin's, and Hard Spun's going through the sale rings.

Chuck brought it up on the website besides mares have been known to race.

Just think of the name possibilities for a RH10 and Sumwon baby.... :D

I have a general breeding question that somewhat relates to sumwon...

What kind of sire would work well with a horse like 'sumwon'? She seems to be a middle distance type horse. she also has the turf pedigree from Moll and the dirt pedigree from Came home.

Should she be bred to a sprinter? Distance horse? or even possibly a turf horse? Just want to hear people's opinion's and reasoning. Any ideas?

i think rock hard ten would be a tremendous mistake. too much size, bad legs--and sumwon is a little long in the pastern, so that is something you would want to try to correct. with her size, i don't think a big horse would be a good idea.

I think the goal should be an 18 hand horse. Yes, Rock Hard 10 it is.

I was just saying name wise. I kinda think he needs little mares to equal out size wise. I wasn't being serious with my pick. Just thinking that naming the babies would be fun!!!