Breeders' Cup futures
 

I noticed on Letitride.com they have the Las Vegas Hilton Future Book odds for the Breeders' Cup...

Brass Hat at 22-1 looked like a pretty decent number to me.

here's the link... http://letitride.com/LVH_Future_Book...cfm?RaceID=119

I really like the idea of someone placing a future wager on Cowtown Cat to win the BCC.
Even at 125-1.....that made me chuckle.

Also, Flashy Bull is one of the top ten choices.
I guess that might actually be true......but what a sad statement that is about the quality of this division.

40-1 on High Finance in the Sprint. Not sure where he's pointing this fall, but has been looking pretty freaking good lately.

Yeah, he has as good a shot as anybody. Who do they even have as the favorite in the Sprint and Classic divisions? (Link is blocked here at work)

sprint
Diabolical 8-1
Fabulous Strike 8-1
Commentator 10-1
Latent Heat 10-1
Songster 10-1
Smokey Stover 12-1
Surf Cat (New) 15-1
Kelly's Landing 15-1
Silent Name 15-1
Afrashad 15-1
Ah Day 18-1
Bishop Court Hill 18-1
EZ Warrior 18-1
Silver Wagon 18-1
Sir Greeley 20-1
Talent Search 20-1
Thor's Echo 25-1
Friendly Island 25-1
Proud Tower Too 25-1
Bordonaro 25-1
Attila's Storm 25-1
Sailor's Sunset 30-1
Black Seventeen 30-1
Will He Shine 35-1
Saint Anddan 35-1
Nightmare Affair 35-1
Greg's Gold 35-1
Cougar Cat 40-1
Lewis Michael 40-1
Peace Chant 40-1
High Finance 40-1
Gaff 40-1
Bilo 40-1
Miss Andretti 50-1
Street Magician 50-1
La Traviata 50-1
Half Ours 50-1
Adore The Gold 50-1
Dashboard Drummer 50-1
Harvard Avenue 60-1
Areyoutalkintome 60-1
Noble Court 60-1
Suave Jazz 60-1
Teuflesburg 60-1
Takeover Target 60-1
Storm In May 75-1
Law Breaker 75-1
Hobbitontherocks 75-1
Keyed Entry 75-1
Cowtown Cat 75-1
C'mon Tiger 75-1
Bill Place 100-1
Forefathers 100-1
Bentley Biscuit 100-1
Magnus 100-1

classic

HORSE NAME ODDS
Street Sense 6-1
Premium Tap 8-1
Curlin 8-1
Rags to Riches 15-1
Magna Graduate 15-1
Master Command 18-1
Lava Man 20-1
Diamond Stripes 20-1
Discreet Cat 20-1
Flashy Bull 20-1
Any Given Saturday 20-1
Brass Hat 22-1
Nobiz Like Shobiz 25-1
Chelokee 25-1
Hard Spun 25-1
Corinthian 25-1
Molengao 30-1
Lawyer Ron 30-1
Sightseeing 30-1
Time To Get Even 40-1
Jazil 40-1
Papi Chullo 40-1
Harlington 40-1
George Washington 40-1
Circular Quay 40-1
Buzzard's Bay 40-1
A P Arrow 40-1
Chatain 40-1
Asiatic Boy 40-1
Authorized 40-1
Hesanoldsalt 50-1
Park Avenue Ball 50-1
Wanderin Boy 50-1
Sun King 50-1
Surf Cat 60-1
Sweetnorthernsaint 60-1
Zanjero 60-1
Tiago 60-1
Patriot Act 60-1
Naughty New Yorker 60-1
McCann's Mojave 60-1
Midnight Lute 60-1
Great Hunter 60-1
Arson Squad 60-1
Bob and John 60-1
Brother Derek 60-1
C'mon Tiger 75-1
Day Pass 75-1
Delightful Kiss 75-1
Dixie Meister 75-1
Dominican 75-1
Minefield 75-1
Point Determined 75-1
Tiz Wonderful 75-1
Vermilion 75-1
Sir Percy 75-1
Miss Finland 80-1
Haradasun 80-1
Dylan Thomas 80-1
EZ Warrior 100-1
First Defence 100-1
Forty Licks 100-1
Imawildandcrazyguy 100-1
C P West 100-1
Cobalt Blue 100-1
Commentator 100-1
Awesome Gem 100-1
Ball Four 100-1
Barbican 100-1
Stormello 100-1
Teofilo 100-1
Super Frolic 100-1
Perfect Drift 100-1
Latent Heat 100-1
Liquidity 100-1
Principle Secret 125-1
Cowtown Cat 125-1

Sprint is Diabolical and Fabulous Strike both at 8-1 and Street Sense also at 6-1 for the classic

Thanks, thought I was the biggest Diabolical fan on the planet but apparently not. Even on BC Day I'd have a tough time backing him at 8-1. Fabulous Strike won't get a favorable pace scenario in the BC Sprint so I don't like him there. Same with Commentator. Latent Heat doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell at 6 furlongs, he should be at least 50-1. Songster is probably out for the year with a tendon injury. High Finance is looking REALLY good at 40-1.

Especially with Lewis Michael (love him, just not there) ALSO at 40-1. Seriously?!

And my personal favorite Sir Greeley is 20-1! His chance of even being in the BC Sprint are slim to none.

No odds on Mach Ride in the Sprint, or did I just miss it?

I wish I could bet a future bet on Spin Master for the Sprint.

Idiot Proof is the track record holder at MTH, and was gigantic in victory last out....he's run huge before, and you don't have to worry about him taking the early heat, because he is the early heat.

I think he has a big look in that race, however, he's certainly not the soundest of horses. Shocked he wasn't on the future list.

A horse like Fabulous Strike will beat anything, and easily, if he gets his soft trip....however, even if you believe the thumps excuse, he's still never run his good race when he's had to face the early heat.

High Finance also has a look, like many have said.

No Political Force in the classic?

Paul

Ill take the couple who arent on the list.

Mach Ride, Benny the Bull

Hey Tiago at 60-1.......

Even with the presence of Street Sense and Curlin....I wouldn't take Tiago too lightly. He might peak at the right time.

I'd take Tiz Wonderful at 75-1 and High Finance at 40-1. . .

WoW, is AsiaticBoy at 40-1, because he will running in europe this summer and not sure if he will show? or do they think he has no shot?
If this guy comes to race, I am all over him.

While his race was visually impressive if he'd gone in the World Cup he would have been like 10 lengths slower than Invasor and Premium Tap. Unfortunately 10 lengths slower than Invasor and Premium Tap ran that day might be enough to win the BC Classic since they both ran huge that day and we are left with a pile of garbage in the Classic division if the 3yos don't finish out the year.

He's got no shot at the merry-go-round at Monmouth. Hard Spun will show exactly who will be there at the wire in a few weeks when he wires the Haskell, IMHO. I hope anyway.

I don't know if these odds are actually available to bet on at the Hilton or anywhere else.
I saw Futures odds for the Breeders Cup about 6 weeks ago from the Wynn, and they weren't anything like these.
At the time, Rags to Riches was 4-1 to win the Distaff (this was prior to the Belmont).
The odds were all ridiculously bad.

Why would you expect future odds at Wynn to be the same as at the Hilton? Especially when taken 6 weeks apart! Even on the same day, each racebook will generally have a unique set of future odds.

World Sports Exchange is the only offshore sportsbook I can find with BC future odds. They are notoriously un-competitive with what TheGreek and Pinnacle offer once those books put up future odds. The Hilton's odds dominate World's odds, but even World offers a few prices that are better than the Hilton's right now. For instance, if you like Dream Rush in the Distaff, you can get 18-1 at World vs 15-1 at Hilton. If you think Lava Man will make the trip to Monmouth and win the Classic, you can get 35-1 at World instead of 20-1 at Hilton.

On the other hand, if you like Buzzard's Bay, you're better off with the 40-1 at Hilton than the 30-1 at World.

I agree with you that one would be hard-pressed to find good bets from these future odds.

--Dunbar

Odds are pretty competitive from casino to casino in Vegas. And I mentioned it because as the BC nears, the odds should be getting lower, not higher. The worst thing about Wynn is that they have odds available on horses that have NO chance in running. It's common for the Kentucky Derby futures, but I give them a break because the pool of eligible horses who could possibly make it is so much greater. Almost 3 months out of the BCC, you could probably come up with 50% of the field today.

Point Determined 75-1

When was the last time he actually ran in a race?? I have him on stable alert(ummm dont ask me why, maybe I was drunk one night and did it:D ) and he has worked every now and then but thats it. And only 75/1 on him. Atleast Cowtown Cat has run in the last year!!

Yes, we do expect the odds to get lower as the BC nears. But the example you gave was that Rags to Riches was 4-1 to win the Distaff at Wynn 6 weeks ago. Now she is 2-1 at Hilton. Nothing weird about that!

--Dunbar