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The Indomitable DrugS 07-15-2007 07:25 PM

Del Mar opening day
 
I haven't looked at the form yet, but just from glancing at the entries, it should be a very interesting card.

The Oceanside Stakes drew 29 horses....and had to be split into three seperate divisions.

Also, $4.6 million yearling Maimonides (2yo son of Vindication, half sibling to El Corredor, Roman Ruler and Silver Tornado) makes his debut in the opening day 2yo MSW race.

Sightseek 07-15-2007 07:40 PM

Looks a good day.

Useful mare that Silvery Swan. I'm really interested in this first crop two year olds. You'd have to say that Hasili is absolute tops when it comes to present day american based mares with Silvery Swan, Goulash and Better Than Honour in a photo for second. Honorable mention to Shining Through...I loved Venetian Sunset.

The Indomitable DrugS 07-15-2007 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Useful mare that Silvery Swan. I'm really interested in this first crop two year olds. You'd have to say that Hasili is absolute tops when it comes to present day american based mares with Silvery Swan, Goulash and Better Than Honour in a photo for second. Honorable mention to Shining Through...I loved Venetian Sunset.

I would take Baby Zip over many of them.

After all, she got City Zip and Ghostzapper with her first two colts.

Bigsmc 07-15-2007 08:14 PM

Is Toussaud still around?

Chester House
Honest Lady
Decharchy
Chiselling
Empire Maker....

Sightseek 07-15-2007 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I would take Baby Zip over many of them.

After all, she got City Zip and Ghostzapper with her first two colts.

I'm guessing you didn't miss Phantom Income's maiden win?

The Indomitable DrugS 07-15-2007 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Is Toussaud still around?

Chester House
Honest Lady
Decharchy
Chiselling
Empire Maker....

She had an A.P. Indy in '06....not sure though.

geeker2 07-15-2007 08:16 PM

I never remember a 3 way split in the Oceanside...

Sightseek 07-15-2007 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Is Toussaud still around?

Chester House
Honest Lady
Decharchy
Chiselling
Empire Maker....

How could I forget...

She has a 2006 filly by AP Indy, nothing reported for 2007 as of yet.

The Indomitable DrugS 07-15-2007 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
I'm guessing you didn't miss Phantom Income's maiden win?

I didn't.

It was the same week as Tale of Ekati's.....who's dam is a Sunday Silence half sibling to Sky Beauty.

That is one stacked tail female family Tale of Ekati comes from!

The Indomitable DrugS 07-15-2007 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2
I never remember a 3 way split in the Oceanside...

Me neither.

I haven't followed Del Mar for the longest of times though.

It seems like that race splits almost every single year, but like you said, never remember seeing three divisions of it.

Sightseek 07-15-2007 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I didn't.

It was the same week as Tale of Ekati's.....who's dam is a Sunday Silence half sibling to Sky Beauty.

That is one stacked tail female family Tale of Ekati comes from!

Hopefully all of these beautiful pedigrees will really deliver in the next few months! Maiden races are my favorite.

onebadbeast 07-15-2007 08:31 PM

I Got The Pps , Now All I Need Are Winners.........

ALostTexan 07-15-2007 09:19 PM

I expect some great payouts on Wednesday. First day on the new Polytrack, plus all of the normal dead money for opening day, this could be huge.

I am going out if anyone else is there...

onebadbeast 07-15-2007 09:39 PM

Cant Make It, But Will Surely Bet Online Before Work.

letswastemoney 07-15-2007 09:47 PM

Imagine looks good in the last race. :)

Indian Charlie 07-16-2007 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I haven't looked at the form yet, but just from glancing at the entries, it should be a very interesting card.

The Oceanside Stakes drew 29 horses....and had to be split into three seperate divisions.

Also, $4.6 million yearling Maimonides (2yo son of Vindication, half sibling to El Corredor, Roman Ruler and Silver Tornado) makes his debut in the opening day 2yo MSW race.

Hey, isnt that maimonides yearling named after an ancestor of yours?

The Indomitable DrugS 07-16-2007 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Hey, isnt that maimonides yearling named after an ancestor of yours?

No!

While I might fit the stereotype of a Jew....I'm not one of your people.

As you know, I'm Italian and Irish, a mix which has probably been proven to produce the best looking people the planet has ever seen.

And, if it hasn't been officially proven yet, it's only because enough research hasn't been done on the subject.

JJP 07-16-2007 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ALostTexan
I expect some great payouts on Wednesday. First day on the new Polytrack, plus all of the normal dead money for opening day, this could be huge.

I am going out if anyone else is there...

I don't think there will be any "dead" money on opening day. Considering the randomness, the "smart money" may well end up being dead money, and the number players and little old ladies may be the ones who come out on top.

ArlJim78 07-16-2007 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP
I don't think there will be any "dead" money on opening day. Considering the randomness, the "smart money" may well end up being dead money, and the number players and little old ladies may be the ones who come out on top.

What do you mean by randomness?

Alan07 07-16-2007 07:24 PM

Maimonides is expected to scratch

The Indomitable DrugS 07-16-2007 08:29 PM

Why?

Indian Charlie 07-16-2007 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Why?

he found out you disavowed your heritage.

geeker2 07-16-2007 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
he found out you disavowed your heritage.

and that you "He had a little temperature this morning, and left some grain,"

my miss storm cat 07-16-2007 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Why?

Here.....

http://www.drf.com/news/article/86712.html

my miss storm cat 07-16-2007 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2
and that you "He had a little temperature this morning, and left some grain,"

I'm a moron... didn't see this! :D

Scav 07-16-2007 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
No!

While I might fit the stereotype of a Jew....I'm not one of your people.

As you know, I'm Italian and Irish, a mix which has probably been proven to produce the best looking people the planet has ever seen.

And, if it hasn't been officially proven yet, it's only because enough research hasn't been done on the subject.

Priceless

geeker2 07-16-2007 08:55 PM

at $4.6 million ..if he farted I'd scratch him....:p

miraja2 07-17-2007 06:54 AM

I wouldn't play the opening day at Del Mar at all. In fact, I don't think I would play the whole first week. Nobody really has any idea how this new surface will play there, and without at least SOME information on the track bias, I think a wait-and-see approach makes the most sense.
Also, what will the relationship be between horses' performances on Hollywood's cushion track and Del Mar's poly? Are they different enough to treat them differently? If so, how differently? We don't know that for certain yet either.
I only like to bet if I feel like I have an advantage over most of the other people betting in terms of information or skill. I don't feel that way here. With all of the unknowns going into the opening week at Del Mar.....betting the races there seems like like a big crapshoot to me.

geeker2 07-17-2007 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
I wouldn't play the opening day at Del Mar at all. In fact, I don't think I would play the whole first week. Nobody really has any idea how this new surface will play there, and without at least SOME information on the track bias, I think a wait-and-see approach makes the most sense.
Also, what will the relationship be between horses' performances on Hollywood's cushion track and Del Mar's poly? Are they different enough to treat them differently? If so, how differently? We don't know that for certain yet either.
I only like to bet if I feel like I have an advantage over most of the other people betting in terms of information or skill. I don't feel that way here. With all of the unknowns going into the opening week at Del Mar.....betting the races there seems like like a big crapshoot to me.

Agreed! it is probably a good time to be a numerologist. Open day has some good turf races (total of 4). Might take a stab at them.

Good luck to those who play...

onebadbeast 07-17-2007 08:09 AM

I Got News For You Cautious Players. This Is Called Gambling. Gambling Has No Guarantees, No Edges, No Rhyme Or Reason, So Just Take Your Shots At A Track Where You Have No Clue If Bombs Are Coming In Or Chalk Is Coming In: Poly Or Not It Still Is Going To Be The Same Weird Results, Or Steady Diet Of Chalk.

miraja2 07-17-2007 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by onebadbeast
I Got News For You Cautious Players. This Is Called Gambling. Gambling Has No Guarantees, No Edges, No Rhyme Or Reason, So Just Take Your Shots At A Track Where You Have No Clue If Bombs Are Coming In Or Chalk Is Coming In: Poly Or Not It Still Is Going To Be The Same Weird Results, Or Steady Diet Of Chalk.

I completely disagree with you that this game has "no edges" or "no rhyme or reason." Are you telling me that people with knowledge like DrugS, hooves, Steve, or Mr. Serling (and many other players on here) don't have an edge over the people that go to the track and play the same numbers over and over again in every race and can't even read the past performances? That is just ridiculous. Of course they have an edge over those people. Why do they have that edge? Two reasons:
1) They have more information than the other players.
2) They have the analytical acuity to put that information to better use than the majority of other players playing the races.

I am merely suggesting that in this situation, there is simply less information available, so the advantages that a good capper has over the random player are minimized.
If there was "no edge" as you suggest, playing the races would be the same as playing the slots or the lotto. I assure you it is not.

viscount26 07-17-2007 11:43 AM

I'm going to take the approach that I took at Keeneland for this years Blue Grass week-end. Class wins. First time I ever came back from Keeneland winning was this year with the Poly:D

NTamm1215 07-17-2007 11:52 AM

A hidden little angle I've used with success at Keeneland and Arlington at the beginning of meets is to upgrade horses who have Polytrack experience or have worked over the Poly. That does not necessarily include Cushion Track.

NT

-BT- 07-17-2007 10:19 PM

has anyone taken a look at the new jockey colony on the left coast?

Chris Landeros (TUP product)
Tom Foley (TAM product)
Alonso Quinones (KY Product)
Luis Garcia (MD/VA product)
Iggy Puglisi has a mount tomorrow along with GF Almeida who i have no clue how he earns a living with his spot duty.

Also noticed that Cody Autrey has taken some his stock out there all the way from KY....... head WEST my friends

-bt-

Scav 07-17-2007 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by -BT-
has anyone taken a look at the new jockey colony on the left coast?

Chris Landeros (TUP product)
Tom Foley (TAM product)
Alonso Quinones (KY Product)
Luis Garcia (MD/VA product)
Iggy Puglisi has a mount tomorrow along with GF Almeida who i have no clue how he earns a living with his spot duty.

Also noticed that Cody Autrey has taken some his stock out there all the way from KY....... head WEST my friends

-bt-

Quinones is out there because Talamo loses his bug. I think Garcia has a shot to stick, could be a good bomb alert type jock. Iggy is just getting back from the injury, he was below par when riding and might be lucky to get one win, he might be a moron on TVG but from all accounts a good guy so lets hope he gets two wins

geeker2 07-17-2007 10:33 PM

If Cody Autrey or Joe Orseno brought out any claiming horses..there will be a 20 way shake for each one they run.

GF Almeida usually brings in a Turf bomb or two during the meet.

Sightseek 07-18-2007 08:06 PM

Anyone have any news on the Frankel horse in the last division of the Oceanside? :(

my miss storm cat 07-18-2007 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Anyone have any news on the Frankel horse in the last division of the Oceanside? :(

He's gone... I'm sorry.

Sightseek 07-18-2007 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
He's gone... I'm sorry.

:(

RIP


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