The Mother Goose Stakes
 

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Mother Goose S. - Grade: 1
Estimated Local Post Time: 4:43 PM
Race Type: Stakes
Breed: Thoroughbred
Age Restriction: Three Year Old
Sex: Fillies
Purse: $250,000
Distance: One And One Eighth Miles
Surface: Dirt

Post Horse Name Age Sex Weight Jockey Name
1 Octave (KY) 3 Filly 121 John R. Velazquez
2 Bold Assurance (KY) 3 Filly 121 Garrett K. Gomez
3 Lady Joanne (KY) 3 Filly 121 Calvin H. Borel
4 Boca Grande (KY) 3 Filly 121 Javier Castellano

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...Yet another reason why Pletcher having ALL the top fillies isn't a good thing. Gross.

Where the hell are the horses?

Now is the time to break out that horse suit!

I was thinking more along the lines of.....






























THUD!

Tell me about it. This is a joke. A Grade 1 with a 250k purse should have attracted more. Is there any logic behind giving up an opportunity to grab some 2nd or 3rd place purse money if you have a healthy filly with some talent?

OOOOOOOOOO!

enter Sumwon, she can get third in a grade one possibly!

:rolleyes:

That's actually a good idea. :p

Well this gives me one reason to now stay home Saturday...if the Suburban comes up like this its adios Belmont!:mad: HELLO Monmouth Park.

9th (5:15)
Suburban H. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $400,000

Post # Horse Jockey Weight Claim Price Equip. Med.
1 Political Force Velasquez C 116
2 Hesanoldsalt Coa E M 117 L
3 Malibu Moonshine Hill C 114 L
4 Corinthian Desormeaux K J 119 L
5 Fairbanks Migliore R 116 L
6 Evening Attire Prado E S 114 L

Thanks Phil!

Tell me about it! I was going to drive into the city and spend the next day exploring the shops but I think I'll take a pass on these fields!

They need to start lowing the Grade in some of these races. This is an OUTRAGE! A Grade 1 race with four horses? What is this California? There are 107 Grade 1 races, and apparently that is way too many opportunities for these guys to get Grade 1 type. Pathetic.

glad you beat me to it. especially after watching that monmouth race saturday. :o

Not exactly a race for the ages

And lowering the grade would accomplish....???

Maybe if a handful of barns didn't control 90% of the quality horses in NY then you might see more competitive races.

The problem isn't the Grade for the Mother Goose, per se, but the overabundance of opportunities for 3YOs to earn black type. However, there aren't that many Grade 1s and I simply can't understand how this is all we get for this race.....three decent Graded Stakes horses and a borderline claimer.

Now, obviously I understand Todd gets way too many of the good horses, and this has a lot to do with this pathetic race, but first of all why can't he run more than one ( certainly owners aren't happy to concede the race to the mediocre Octave ) and where the hell are the other horses? Did nobody know they were running the Mother Goose this year?

I bet the connections of High Heels wish they ran here instead of the useless turf experiment at Churchill. Of course, they could have wheeled her back here. And, why wouldn't Cot Campbell insist that Cotton Blossom returned for this race? She had three weeks since her last.

High Again chose the Iowa Oaks instead of staying home for this race. Makes sense. I hope she runs last in Iowa.

Because Panty Raid sucks, right? She can't beat Octave.

You would think that there would be a lot of owners that think like you are but it seems they are brainwashed. Funny how everybody in the breeding business talks about Graded Stakes placings and yet grade 1 races on both coasts are routinely 5 (or worse) horse fields.

I rarely think that the Europeans do much better than us but the way they design the stakes schedule of races is far superior to our haphazard, everytrack for themselves way.

Doesn't Panty Raid have similar ownership to Octave? In that case it's somewhat understandable that she went out West ( where I also hope she runs ninth ).

If she has different owners whe should definitely be in here. As bad as she is she is not necessarily worse than Boca Grande.

Why wouldn't it be in Todd's best interests to run as many as possible?

She has different owners (Panty Raid- Glencrest, Octave- Starlight).

If I wasn't a fan of the filly I'd agree with you, just to spite Pletcher. He's a phucking schmuck for pulling this, protecting his own business interests.

She's running 3,000 miles away on a surface she's never tried before against at LEAST 10 others, instead of being at WORST 3rd choice in a 5 horse field, with a G2 win at the distance, at HOME and probably the 2nd choice behind a classic hanger in Octave. Yeah, that makes sense.

Because Starlight is one of his top owners and he's gotta make them happy...

As an aside, I knew this disaster of 3YO fillies was coming last year. Anybody remember the Frizette? Truly, honestly, the worst G1 EVER.

The Frizette? How about the Matron?

It's absolute folly that Panty Raid is shipping to the American Oaks and not running here. I could see if the field was tougher, or Todd was already running three, but this is ridiculous. And you know what I think of Panty Raid.

Spread em out and try to win them all.

Yup, you're right, makes sense.

I don't know what the actual number was for the Frizette, but I got a 57 Beyer equivalent for it. A 57!!! Lily Carson literally was in a trot at the end and STILL finished 3rd.

The question this begs is, when are people going to realize there's plenty of other capable trainers out there and spread the wealth? I honestly think that's a large portion of the field size issues in stakes.

Cotton Blossom is going to Delaware.

Pretty crazy the oaks had so many. The La Troienne had a field of about 10 the next day, which wasn't spectacular in merit, but either are these fillies.

Right. The La Troienne was 7 1/2 Furlongs. You mean to tell me none of those horses could run in the Mother Goose?

I'm telling you it's a travesty, a sham, a mockery....it's a traveshamockery!!!

If Invasor was still running this race would have had 3 participants. I heard people saying that with Invasor out of action the G1 Races would have fuller fields and be more competitive. Hardly. - Especially at 1 1/4 on the dirt. I would much rather bet on a twelve horse claiming race than a 4 or 6 horse G1 race. What on earth are the other owners/trainers thinking. There has to be other competitive horses out there somewhere that could use the G1 placing and the $'s

Personally I hope Evening Attire wins so they have to keep trying with the whole horses. :D It's probably not going to happen, but one can wish.

Octave is the 2nd best 3yo filly. Do you agree?

...cotton blossom, christmas kid, and dream rush come to mind not to mention high heels and sealy hill.

not saying that the above horses are better or worse, just saying the race for second best is pretty close

No.

cotton blossom??

Magnificence?

I would think that Magnificience would have to be on the list too...