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whodey17 06-27-2007 11:32 AM

Belmont - weather for today
 
I understand that their are some thunderstorms in the area. What are the chances that the turf course will see enough rain for the races to be taken off of the turf?

Mortimer 06-28-2007 08:54 AM

Hard to say ,Whod.


This is where your having made friends with anyone in New York who is a track buff would pay off mighty well right about now.

Friends of mine say stay on the turf for now.

Storm Cadet 06-28-2007 09:09 AM

Changes are not up yet but I know last evening we had some of the most torrential thunderstorms EVER in the Queens Nassau area. I got a call from a co worker that said most of the athletic offices and my training room are under water right now! 6 inches of water on lower level of arena. And we are only 8 minutes from Belmont.

Nice time to be on vacation!;)

Right now it's 72 out and it's expected to go back up to 90's with late day thunderstorms again. What is this Calder Race Track weather?

Will be GREAT in the 70's for Fridays TWILIGHT Racing (half price beer) and Saturdays Mother Goose/Suburban at Belmont this weekend though. Can't wait!:D

Bigsmc 06-28-2007 09:28 AM

Belmont website lists the dirt as GOOD and the turf as GOOD.

Storm Cadet 06-28-2007 09:37 AM

This outta make for a fun day of handicapping at Belmont today!

BELMONT PARK
SCRATCHES AND PROGRAM CHANGES FOR THURSDAY, 6/28/2007
TRACK CONDITIONS
Weather: T- STORMS 88

Track: GOOD

Turf: GOOD

Turf Races: 5, 6, 7, 8, 9

Inner: Set at 9 Ft

Widener: Set at 0 Ft

Scattered thunderstorms, especially during the afternoon hours. Gusty winds and small hail are possible. High near 85F. Winds WSW at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 60%.

KY_Sasquash 06-28-2007 09:48 AM

Is it New York that has the rule if a race comes off the turf after the pick 6 has started it becomes an automatic win?

Alan07 06-28-2007 09:51 AM

yes

philcski 06-28-2007 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Storm Cadet
Changes are not up yet but I know last evening we had some of the most torrential thunderstorms EVER in the Queens Nassau area. I got a call from a co worker that said most of the athletic offices and my training room are under water right now! 6 inches of water on lower level of arena. And we are only 8 minutes from Belmont.

Nice time to be on vacation!;)

Right now it's 72 out and it's expected to go back up to 90's with late day thunderstorms again. What is this Calder Race Track weather?

Will be GREAT in the 70's for Fridays TWILIGHT Racing (half price beer) and Saturdays Mother Goose/Suburban at Belmont this weekend though. Can't wait!:D

I drove home from work in that sh!t last night around 9. Not much fun. Most of the Hutch was under water...

Linny 06-28-2007 09:56 AM

Albany area got hit with storms last night around 6. Looks like some storms may his Queens today. I hope they stay on grass, I like a few of them.

Beware, sometimes when storms are predicted NYRA will rush the card a bit. This can wreak havok on those hoping to get down on a particular race only to find that it was run 20 minutes ahead of schedule.

blackthroatedwind 06-28-2007 10:41 AM

There's a limit to how much, however, a card can be rushed at Belmont, and while I agree that Aqueduct can, and has been rushed as much as Linny suggests, it's hard for Belmont to be rushed that severely.

Linny 06-28-2007 10:52 AM

I've seen AQU get in 9 races by 3:15. BEL doesn't go as fast but I've seen days when I was looking to play the 7th and turned on the TV when it should have been 10MTP only to see them loading the 8th! And trust me, I KNOW what the usual post times are!:p

blackthroatedwind 06-28-2007 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linny
I've seen AQU get in 9 races by 3:15. BEL doesn't go as fast but I've seen days when I was looking to play the 7th and turned on the TV when it should have been 10MTP only to see them loading the 8th! And trust me, I KNOW what the usual post times are!:p


I'm confused, are you somehow suggesting Belmont could speed the card up over a half an hour?

Not possible.

Linny 06-28-2007 11:24 AM

If I'm not mistaken they squeezed the races back by 5 minutes after the threat of storms was apparent. Races 3 and on were run at 25 minute intervals. The last race was run in a tremendous downpour but dammit they stayed on the grass all day.

Linny 06-28-2007 01:21 PM

Jan just said that they are pushing the card. Last race scheduled for 4:23. That's really moving!

blackthroatedwind 06-28-2007 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linny
Jan just said that they are pushing the card. Last race scheduled for 4:23. That's really moving!


Wow. I guess you were really right.

Of course, in this case we need to consider the source.

Linny 06-28-2007 01:27 PM

She did say it on the simo, not just to me.;) Jan and I only chat about hats.

Linny 06-28-2007 01:44 PM

Race 6 3:14
Race 7 3:37
Race 8 4:00
Race 9 4:23

As per the NYRA

blackthroatedwind 06-28-2007 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linny
Race 6 3:14
Race 7 3:37
Race 8 4:00
Race 9 4:23

As per the NYRA

Can I take the over?

They will be lucky to get this fifth race off within two minutes of its scheduled post of 2:51.

Linny 06-28-2007 02:06 PM

I never said that they would make it but it appears that they will try.;)

blackthroatedwind 06-28-2007 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linny
I never said that they would make it but it appears that they will try.;)


I know you're just repeating their erroneous information.

Post for the 6th is 3:19....five minutes after they claimed. Maybe they feel the storms are moving slower than they anticipated. It's pretty humid in the city right now but no immediate storms in sight.

pmacdaddy 06-28-2007 02:27 PM

Just heard first rumbles of thunder here in Jamaica (Queens). Darkening up and getting breezy, but still dry...

blackthroatedwind 06-28-2007 02:30 PM

I feel bad for the people who are out there and have to take the LIRR home. It used to be that the final train left 30 minutes after the 9th race, but now they leave at 6:01 on weekdays and 6:13 on weekends, so today people will have to wait almost an hour an a half for a train to leave that no patrons will enter in the final 45 minutes or more. Plus, the conductors take their sweet time leaving the track and often don't even open the doors until ten minutes or so before six.....leaving people out in the heat. I have pretty much stopped going because of this. The only alternative, if you don't have a ride, is to take the 3:47 train home and miss the final three races.

NYRA has pleaded with LIRR to stop this but they simply don't give a sh1t.

ateamstupid 06-28-2007 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I feel bad for the people who are out there and have to take the LIRR home. It used to be that the final train left 30 minutes after the 9th race, but now they leave at 6:01 on weekdays and 6:13 on weekends, so today people will have to wait almost an hour an a half for a train to leave that no patrons will enter in the final 45 minutes or more. Plus, the conductors take their sweet time leaving the track and often don't even open the doors until ten minutes or so before six.....leaving people out in the heat. I have pretty much stopped going because of this. The only alternative, if you don't have a ride, is to take the 3:47 train home and miss the final three races.

NYRA has pleaded with LIRR to stop this but they simply don't give a sh1t.

If they haven't already bought a ticket, they could walk to Queens Village and take the train from there, but your point is well taken.

I've stopped going to Belmont because (a.) it's a bitch to get out there and (b.) that ride home never seems to be a happy one.

Storm Cadet 06-28-2007 02:52 PM

Watching the NBC radar loop...looks like we're in for another fun afternoon boys and girls...cells popping up quickly now over Jersey and Westchester Cty.

blackthroatedwind 06-28-2007 02:58 PM

I agree Joey....I walk to and from Queens Villiage fairly frequently but it's over a mile, and many of the patrons are somewhat elderly, it's hot as hell, and a lot of people don't know to do this or where it is. The much simpler solution would be for LIRR to stop screwing people and simply leave 30 minutes after the final race as they were doing for over 15 years.

Linny 06-28-2007 02:59 PM

Pouring at Belmont now. Looks bad to me. Possibly a few flickers of lightning visible on simo.

blackthroatedwind 06-28-2007 03:00 PM

The amazing thing is that there isn't really a hint of a thunderstorm in NYC.

ateamstupid 06-28-2007 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
The amazing thing is that there isn't really a hint of a thunderstorm in NYC.

And it's beautiful in Brooklyn. Heard a rumble or two of thunder before, but sunny skies right now.

Left Bank 06-28-2007 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I feel bad for the people who are out there and have to take the LIRR home. It used to be that the final train left 30 minutes after the 9th race, but now they leave at 6:01 on weekdays and 6:13 on weekends, so today people will have to wait almost an hour an a half for a train to leave that no patrons will enter in the final 45 minutes or more. Plus, the conductors take their sweet time leaving the track and often don't even open the doors until ten minutes or so before six.....leaving people out in the heat. I have pretty much stopped going because of this. The only alternative, if you don't have a ride, is to take the 3:47 train home and miss the final three races.

NYRA has pleaded with LIRR to stop this but they simply don't give a sh1t.

Maybe Switzer should launch one of his witch hunts into this.

Storm Cadet 06-28-2007 03:06 PM

BTW isnt the 4 here from Rick Pitino the basketball coaches stable?

philcski 06-28-2007 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Storm Cadet
BTW isnt the 4 here from Rick Pitino the basketball coaches stable?

Yes (part).

My friend owns the 6, I have to root for her in here.

pmacdaddy 06-28-2007 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
And it's beautiful in Brooklyn. Heard a rumble or two of thunder before, but sunny skies right now.

Same in Jamaica... Thunder, poured for 10mins, now sun is back out.

May end up just being a quick downpour.

philcski 06-28-2007 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
If they haven't already bought a ticket, they could walk to Queens Village and take the train from there, but your point is well taken.

I've stopped going to Belmont because (a.) it's a bitch to get out there and (b.) that ride home never seems to be a happy one.

I haven't been going because quite frankly, the cards/features have sucked.

By the way, NJTransit has 10 trains a day to Monmouth from Manhattan.

ateamstupid 06-28-2007 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
I haven't been going because quite frankly, the cards/features have sucked.

By the way, NJTransit has 10 trains a day to Monmouth from Manhattan.

Every time I take one of those trains (granted it's only been a few times), it's way worse than the LIRR. Each time I've gone, we've been stuck on the way back about a mile outside the track for like, ever. Also, one time I had to get off at Hoboken and wait an hour for a Penn Station train even though the schedule said non-stop to Penn Station. All of that has soured me from going out to Monmouth again.

I swear, if these tracks are wondering how to get more people out to the track, they might want to examine the morons in transportation..

Sightseek 06-28-2007 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Every time I take one of those trains (granted it's only been a few times), it's way worse than the LIRR. Each time I've gone, we've been stuck on the way back about a mile outside the track for like, ever. Also, one time I had to get off at Hoboken and wait an hour for a Penn Station train even though the schedule said non-stop to Penn Station. All of that has soured me from going out to Monmouth again.

I swear, if these tracks are wondering how to get more people out to the track, they might want to examine the morons in transportation..

I've thought the same. I think NY has a pretty strong population of race-goers and it would certainly benefit all 3 tracks if there was a better way to get between the three. I'm just unsure how cost effective it would be or even if Amtrack etc would be willing to work with them.


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