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disappearingdan_akaplaya 06-26-2007 02:55 PM

biancone in trouble?
 
http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=39520

Left Bank 06-26-2007 03:41 PM

I'm guessing it may be a disgruntled former employee that went to the stewards with something.That is usually how these start.

Danzig 06-26-2007 03:46 PM

just read the article before coming here...hell, it could be anything.

or nothing.

Coach Pants 06-26-2007 03:51 PM

An anonymous source said Biancone moaned "AWWW crêpe!" when KHRA officials stormed his barn.

Danzig 06-26-2007 03:52 PM

wonder how many packs of cigs he's smoked today...

NTamm1215 06-26-2007 03:54 PM

That article stated something I thought of the other day. Was Lion Heart the last Tabor horse Biancone trained? I've been trying to think of another and when you add up the horses he had for Tabor from 2002-2004 it's kind of surprising that he would just stop using him. I think Spanish Chestnut was at one point Derrick Smith and Magnier, but I could be confusing them all.

Obviously having Marty Schwartz as a client hasn't hurt Biancone. That team has brought along Angara in 2005, Gorella last year, and is working with Lady of Venice now.

NT

blackthroatedwind 06-26-2007 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
That article stated something I thought of the other day. Was Lion Heart the last Tabor horse Biancone trained? I've been trying to think of another and when you add up the horses he had for Tabor from 2002-2004 it's kind of surprising that he would just stop using him. I think Spanish Chestnut was at one point Derrick Smith and Magnier, but I could be confusing them all.

Obviously having Marty Schwartz as a client hasn't hurt Biancone. That team has brought along Angara in 2005, Gorella last year, and is working with Lady of Venice now.

NT


He's had others. Chekov comes to mind.

However, they certainly have moved primarily to Pletcher.

golfer 06-26-2007 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
An anonymous source said Biancone moaned "AWWW crêpe!" when KHRA officials stormed his barn.

Sacre Bleu....!!!

NTamm1215 06-26-2007 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
He's had others. Chekov comes to mind.

However, they certainly have moved primarily to Pletcher.

Ah- Chekhov...the gelding now. I knew there were a few that I couldn't think of. Thanks.

NT

paisjpq 06-26-2007 04:31 PM

Tabor, magnier and smith own 1/2 of Belgravia I believe

10 pnt move up 06-26-2007 04:32 PM

I thought times squared was a Tabor horse?

NTamm1215 06-26-2007 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
I thought times squared was a Tabor horse?

He's owned by Giacopelli, Lakin, et al according to the nominations to the Mid-America Triple at www.arlingtonpark.com.

NT

jwkniska 06-26-2007 04:52 PM

I will say this.... other than Times Squared, his horses haven't done much at AP this year (1st year he's had a barn here).

Scav 06-26-2007 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jwkniska
I will say this.... other than Times Squared, his horses haven't done much at AP this year (1st year he's had a barn here).

Yo, Your from the MP? what is up with that? Welcome to the board....that is my hood also

jwkniska 06-26-2007 05:16 PM

Scav, ran into Dellinger last week and he got me to join the board here (been on other boards with him in the past). Pretty good at picking out winners (have won a few online contests before). Hope that my 2 cents on things will help everyone out on here.

normally go to AP a few times/year, especially on the bigger race days and visit trackside many times (when I don't have time to stay for all the races that day).

Scav 06-26-2007 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jwkniska
Scav, ran into Dellinger last week and he got me to join the board here (been on other boards with him in the past). Pretty good at picking out winners (have won a few online contests before). Hope that my 2 cents on things will help everyone out on here.

normally go to AP a few times/year, especially on the bigger race days and visit trackside many times (when I don't have time to stay for all the races that day).

Friend of Dell is a friend of mine, I have probably seen you at Trackside a few times.....:)

brockguy 06-26-2007 06:43 PM

doesnt Biancone currently train Bayeux, one of my fav horses in the States??

dellinger63 06-26-2007 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jwkniska
Scav, ran into Dellinger last week and he got me to join the board here (been on other boards with him in the past). Pretty good at picking out winners (have won a few online contests before). Hope that my 2 cents on things will help everyone out on here.

normally go to AP a few times/year, especially on the bigger race days and visit trackside many times (when I don't have time to stay for all the races that day).

was a pretty good day as well. You should come more often John. Scav we had never met before and were introduced to each other by Billy D then figured it out.

jwkniska 06-26-2007 08:32 PM

Steve, I'm not over there as often on Fri's, but go more on Sat's. 3 days for sure in July already, 4th, 21st, 28th. The 28th's pretty busy, as my sister's in town, so will probably be up in the reserved seats on the 2nd floor (probably be up there with other friends on the 4th too)... 21st's open. If you're going that day or the others, let me know. P.S. TSC's got a Vegas qualifier on the 21st and the designated races are ONLY Arlington.

Bill D's a good guy.... talked to him a number of times over at BW3.

MisterB 06-27-2007 12:30 PM

I am surprised anyone uses him, after his Hong Kong drug invested efforts

Left Bank 06-27-2007 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterB
I am surprised anyone uses him, after his Hong Kong drug invested efforts

Enlighten me,I am not familiar with this.

Rupert Pupkin 06-27-2007 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
Enlighten me,I am not familiar with this.

He got barred from racing in Hong Kong.

Rupert Pupkin 06-27-2007 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
Enlighten me,I am not familiar with this.

Here is an article that talks about how much better the system is in Hong Kong when it comes to ensuring that trainers don't cheat. No system is full-proof, but the system over there makes it much tougher for a trainer to cheat. They mention Biancone in the article:
"True cases of doping here are so rare that everyone still talks about the last one: A French trainer, Patrick Biancone, was asked to leave in 1999 when his horses tested positive for a muscle relaxant available only in France. Biancone said he was set up by his enemies."

Here is the entire article:

http://www.bookmakersreview.com/c/Ar...me_worth_gold/

Danzig 06-27-2007 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
Here is an article that talks about how much better the system is in Hong Kong when it comes to ensuring that trainers don't cheat. No system is full-proof, but the system over there makes it much tougher for a trainer to cheat. They mention Biancone in the article:
"True cases of doping here are so rare that everyone still talks about the last one: A French trainer, Patrick Biancone, was asked to leave in 1999 when his horses tested positive for a muscle relaxant available only in France. Biancone said he was set up by his enemies."

Here is the entire article:

http://www.bookmakersreview.com/c/Ar...me_worth_gold/


sounds like something marion berry once said.

MisterB 06-27-2007 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
sounds like something marion berry once said.

:D He knows how to break down a horse faster than many.

Danzig 06-27-2007 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterB
:D He knows how to break down a horse faster than many.


g--d--- b---- set me up!

he looked so innocent with crack pipe in hand.

Left Bank 06-27-2007 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
Here is an article that talks about how much better the system is in Hong Kong when it comes to ensuring that trainers don't cheat. No system is full-proof, but the system over there makes it much tougher for a trainer to cheat. They mention Biancone in the article:
"True cases of doping here are so rare that everyone still talks about the last one: A French trainer, Patrick Biancone, was asked to leave in 1999 when his horses tested positive for a muscle relaxant available only in France. Biancone said he was set up by his enemies."

Here is the entire article:

http://www.bookmakersreview.com/c/Ar...me_worth_gold/

Interesting article.I just can't understand why the USA does not do the same and get drugs out of the sport here.

Cannon Shell 06-27-2007 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
Interesting article.I just can't understand why the USA does not do the same and get drugs out of the sport here.

Because they have one track which is locked down and cameras everywhere. We have roughly 50? Plus Vets are employees of the Jockey Club, not a practice, which wont work here either. HKJC also has a whole lot more money to spend on security and testing than an American track.

Rupert Pupkin 06-27-2007 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
Interesting article.I just can't understand why the USA does not do the same and get drugs out of the sport here.

Ir's because it's expensive and they don't want to spend the money. In reality, it would cost them money in the short run due to the added expense, but in the long run it would actually make them money. It would make them money because the handle would go way up, once some integrity was restored. Right now there are a lot of people who won't bet because of all the cheating. They see certain trainers moving horses up 10 lengths overnight and they know that it's due to illegal drugs.

If they cleaned the sport up, business would improve dramatically. Unfortunately, the powers that be are very short-sighted and they think about the bottom-line in the short run. In he short run, more rigorous testing and added security is just an added expense that hurts the bottom-line.

Cannon Shell 06-27-2007 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
Ir's because it's expensive and they don't want to spend the money. In reality, it would cost them money in the short run due to the added expense, but in the long run it would actually make them money. It would make them money because the handle would go way up, once some integrity was restored. Right now there are a lot of people who won't bet because of all the cheating. They see certain trainers moving horses up 10 lengths overnight and they know that it's due to illegal drugs.

If they cleaned the sport up, business would improve dramatically. Unfortunately, the powers that be are very short-sighted and they think about the bottom-line in the short run. In he short run, more rigorous testing and added security is just an added expense that hurts the bottom-line.

Though what most of what you say is true, it is wrong to hold our tracks to a standard like Hong Kong. It simply is a different setup and they have much more leeway in legal and other matters. Far be it for me to defend track management but using HK as a standard will always make us look inferior regardless of what we do.

Rupert Pupkin 06-27-2007 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Though what most of what you say is true, it is wrong to hold our tracks to a standard like Hong Kong. It simply is a different setup and they have much more leeway in legal and other matters. Far be it for me to defend track management but using HK as a standard will always make us look inferior regardless of what we do.

I agree with you. I'm not saying that we could or should do exactly what they do in Hong Kong. I'm just saying that we need to do a much beter job than we are doing right now. I think we need to have much more security, maybe even putting cameras in every barn.

Cannon Shell 06-27-2007 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
I agree with you. I'm not saying that we could or should do exactly what they do in Hong Kong. I'm just saying that we need to do a much beter job than we are doing right now. I think we need to have much more security, maybe even putting cameras in every barn.

The question I always have about the cameras is who is going to watch them all? How will you be able to tell the difference between legit vet work and illegal vet work? How will you identify the horse in question on the tape? Hiring and training competent investigators would be a step in the right direction.

Left Bank 06-27-2007 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Because they have one track which is locked down and cameras everywhere. We have roughly 50? Plus Vets are employees of the Jockey Club, not a practice, which wont work here either. HKJC also has a whole lot more money to spend on security and testing than an American track.

Well said.C S,have you heard anything about his barn being searched?

Fearless Leader 06-27-2007 05:28 PM

Biancone is totally innocent. Nothing more than a witch hunt instigated by jealous competitors. Biancone is a class act with a squeaky clean reputation, Hong Kong frame job reports notwithstanding. He is sure to be exonerated.

Cannon Shell 06-27-2007 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fearless Leader
Biancone is totally innocent. Nothing more than a witch hunt instigated by jealous competitors. Biancone is a class act with a squeaky clean reputation, Hong Kong frame job reports notwithstanding. He is sure to be exonerated.

Same guys that got Assmussen?

Fearless Leader 06-27-2007 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Same guys that got Assmussen?

AND Pletcher.

Cannon Shell 06-27-2007 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Fearless Leader
AND Pletcher.

Think they can get OJ?

Coach Pants 06-27-2007 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The question I always have about the cameras is who is going to watch them all? How will you be able to tell the difference between legit vet work and illegal vet work? How will you identify the horse in question on the tape? Hiring and training competent investigators would be a step in the right direction.

What do you think about the Kentucky investigators, Chuck? I think they have some good ones but need a few more. Of course, they don't catch them all, but I believe there is alot of politics involved that is preventing them from doing so.

Fearless Leader 06-27-2007 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Think they can get OJ?

They got OJ, Marcia and her friends screwed it up.

Cannon Shell 06-27-2007 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
What do you think about the Kentucky investigators, Chuck? I think they have some good ones but need a few more. Of course, they don't catch them all, but I believe there is alot of politics involved that is preventing them from doing so.

As far as I know they only have one full time guy. I would say that most wrongdoers dont live in fear of racing investigators in any state.


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