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smuthg 06-19-2007 09:20 AM

Hialeah on List of Endangered Historic Places
 
I'm sure this has been discussed on the board recently, but I haven't seen it... thought this was good news. (from the Bloodhorse)

Hialeah on List of Endangered Historic Places
by The Associated Press
Date Posted: June 18, 2007
Last Updated: June 18, 2007



The National Trust for Historic Preservation has put Florida's Hialeah Park racecourse on its list of the country's most endangered historic places.

Hialeah Park is fourth on the list of 11 historic sites in danger of being lost to development.

Getting on the list doesn't ensure that the sites will be preserved, but it brings national attention to local preservation efforts.

Hialeah Park first opened in 1925. Seabiscuit, Citation, and Seattle Slew were among the top horses stabled there over the decades. Winston Churchill, Harry Truman, and John F- Kennedy were some of the dignitaries who watched the races at the 220-acre park.

The Legislature revoked its racing license in 2001. The park's owner closed the park in 2005 and filed an application to develop 3,700 housing units and shops on the site.

Cajungator26 06-19-2007 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
I remember a column written by Newsday's (Long Island) Paul Moran in which he asserted that Hialeah, Churchill Downs, and Bowie were the best surfaces over which to train.

The remainder of his column -- written about eight to 10 years ago -- described Hialeah's building and infield. It sounded like a great racetrack to visit. I never got there.

I imagine that there are those on this site who have visited Hialeah when it was active.

And of course, the list of all-time greats who won there is impressive.

I was lucky enough to visit Hialeah and IMO it was the most beautiful track I've seen (so far.) I haven't had the privilege of seeing very many tracks, though, so I could be biased.

SentToStud 06-19-2007 09:49 AM

Last I read they are planning to build 4,000 condos on the site.

And if the problems in Hialeah continue, it will be an interesting place to live.

http://cbs4.com/pets/local_story_166122439.html

Cajungator26 06-19-2007 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
Last I read they are planning to build 4,000 condos on the site.

And if the problems in Hialeah continue, it will be an interesting place to live.

http://cbs4.com/pets/local_story_166122439.html

Yeah, that would be pretty interesting to say the least. Kinda weird that they're burrowing. I didn't realize that iguanas did that.

Buffymommy 06-19-2007 09:56 AM

I too think it is the most beautiful track. What the F do we need more housing in So. FL for? There is enough. Houses aren't selling as it is. Like we need more friggen condos. Not like that neighborhood is the best of areas to live in.

That track was beautiful. They should redo it and start up again. If I could only hit the lottery for a HUGE pot.

robfla 06-19-2007 11:58 AM

why not renovate and hold an occassional breeders cup here. it would be the perfect venue.

philcski 06-19-2007 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
I was lucky enough to visit Hialeah and IMO it was the most beautiful track I've seen (so far.) I haven't had the privilege of seeing very many tracks, though, so I could be biased.

Me too, and I've seen quite a few- Hialeah is #2 behind Saratoga only for me.

I loved that place.

Cajungator26 06-19-2007 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Me too, and I've seen quite a few- Hialeah is #2 behind Saratoga only for me.

I loved that place.

I'm excited to see Toga next month for the first time...

philcski 06-19-2007 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
I'm excited to see Toga next month for the first time...

I'm excited to see Del Mar for the first time next month! :)

Cajungator26 06-19-2007 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
I'm excited to see Del Mar for the first time next month! :)

You're going there for opening weekend, right?

philcski 06-19-2007 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
You're going there for opening weekend, right?

Yep! i think it's July 20th

Cannon Shell 06-19-2007 01:10 PM

The demise of Hialeah is one of the saddest chapters in racing in recent years. However the greed of the madman that owns the lease pretty much assured it fate. As for housing there, I hope they are offering bulletproof windows and kevlar vests as incentives to buy.

SentToStud 06-19-2007 01:25 PM

[quote=Cannon Shell]The demise of Hialeah is one of the saddest chapters in racing in recent years. However the greed of the madman that owns the lease pretty much assured it fate. As for housing there, I hope they are offering bulletproof windows and kevlar vests as incentives to buy.[/QUOTE]

How would you know? When was the last time you were there?

Cajungator26 06-19-2007 01:38 PM

[quote=SentToStud]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The demise of Hialeah is one of the saddest chapters in racing in recent years. However the greed of the madman that owns the lease pretty much assured it fate. As for housing there, I hope they are offering bulletproof windows and kevlar vests as incentives to buy.[/QUOTE]

How would you know? When was the last time you were there?

Last time I checked, Hialeah was in the hood.

SentToStud 06-19-2007 01:45 PM

[quote=Cajungator26]
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Originally Posted by SentToStud

Last time I checked, Hialeah was in the hood.

You spend a lot of time in Hialeah?

Crime there is at the nat'l average. I wonder where, oh say, Louisville Kentucky rates? All I know is you cannot build a new 4 br home there for under $450k. Blanket statements like the one made above are just dumb.

Cannon Shell 06-19-2007 01:48 PM

[quote=SentToStud]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajungator26
You spend a lot of time in Hialeah?

Crime there is at the nat'l average. I wonder where, oh say, Louisville Kentucky rates? All I know is you cannot build a new 4 br home there for under $450k. Blanket statements like the one made above are just dumb.

Listen genius I was stabled there 4 years ago when one of the hotwalkers in the barn next to us was gunned down at the stable gate. I'm sure that I have spent much more time in that neighborhood than you have. I would love to drop you off there one night with your crime rate data and see how you fare.

SentToStud 06-19-2007 01:53 PM

[quote=Cannon Shell]
Quote:

Originally Posted by SentToStud
Listen genius I was stabled there 4 years ago when one of the hotwalkers in the barn next to us was gunned down at the stable gate. I'm sure that I have spent much more time in that neighborhood than you have. I would love to drop you off there one night with your crime rate data and see how you fare.

OK Einstein.

I suppose noone ever got killed at another racetrack? Wait it happened at Arlington a few years ago. Never mind.

Thanks for the ride offer. I'll pass. I'm already there 3-4 times a month. I can find my way around.

Cajungator26 06-19-2007 01:56 PM

[quote=SentToStud]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajungator26
You spend a lot of time in Hialeah?

Crime there is at the nat'l average. I wonder where, oh say, Louisville Kentucky rates? All I know is you cannot build a new 4 br home there for under $450k. Blanket statements like the one made above are just dumb.

Louisville? Probably a higher crime rate, but it depends on the area.

BTW, you can't buy a 2 bedroom home in the GHETTO here in Orlando for under 180k. Home prices are expensive in Florida, that's all there is to it.

robfla 06-19-2007 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The demise of Hialeah is one of the saddest chapters in racing in recent years. However the greed of the madman that owns the lease pretty much assured it fate. As for housing there, I hope they are offering bulletproof windows and kevlar vests as incentives to buy.

i hope you are kidding

Buffymommy 06-19-2007 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by robfla
i hope you are kidding


I wouldn't live down there. I am only about an hour and a half away from there. But then again, I wouldn't want to live where I work in West Palm Beach either.

robfla 06-19-2007 02:02 PM

http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime....aleah&state=FL


http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime....Metro&state=KY

SentToStud 06-19-2007 02:03 PM

[quote=Cajungator26]
Quote:

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Louisville? Probably a higher crime rate, but it depends on the area.

BTW, you can't buy a 2 bedroom home in the GHETTO here in Orlando for under 180k. Home prices are expensive in Florida, that's all there is to it.

lol. and you have to drive 2 hours to see a horse race.

Coach Pants 06-19-2007 02:06 PM

What the frick with statistics for a whole city? Who gives a sh.it? Chuck is talking about the area around the racetrack.

Stat fans get the stats for a mile radius of Churchill and Hialeah.

Cajungator26 06-19-2007 02:07 PM

[quote=SentToStud]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

lol. and you have to drive 2 hours to see a horse race.

A little less if Tampa is running. :p

Orlando sucks, for sure. As soon as I'm able, I'm outta here.

Coach Pants 06-19-2007 02:08 PM

Also..at Churchill the neighbors are, for the most part, overly friendly because they are making $$$ from parking. I have no problems, and never have, in the area surrounding Churchill.

And i'm willing to bet that Louisville is FAR more segregated than Hialeah.

Cajungator26 06-19-2007 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
What the frick with statistics for a whole city? Who gives a sh.it? Chuck is talking about the area around the racetrack.

Stat fans get the stats for a mile radius of Churchill and Hialeah.

I haven't been to Hialeah (the track) since 2000, but I remember it being in the hood. If that's changed, then I apologize. Hell, my house is only minutes from the hood. That's how Florida rolls... you have your million dollar homes right down the street from your crime-ridden ghetto. LOL

Cannon Shell 06-19-2007 02:11 PM

I was stabled at Hialeah for three years from 2000 to the last year it was open in 2004. I was pulled over by the police three seperate times going to work because I was a white guy driving a Luxury SUV in that area. The reason that I was pulled over each time was because I was in a high drug area at an unusual time and I was white. I can recall at least three incidents of people being shot or shot at while stabled there. The mexicans hated to go there because they pretty consistently got mugged when they left the track at night or beat up because they were Mexican. Half the crime in the area goes unreported because many of the people who live there are illegals who keep a low profile. You can site you stats all you want but I saw it first hand.

letswastemoney 06-19-2007 02:12 PM

Can't be much worse than the area around Hollywood Park. :)

SentToStud 06-19-2007 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajungator26
I haven't been to Hialeah (the track) since 2000, but I remember it being in the hood. If that's changed, then I apologize. Hell, my house is only minutes from the hood. That's how Florida rolls... you have your million dollar homes right down the street from your crime-ridden ghetto. LOL

That's right/ Just be careful at night. I don't drive much at night now; I've got a burnt out headlight.

Coach Pants 06-19-2007 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
Can't be much worse than the area around Hollywood Park. :)

My bro lived near Hollywood while he was a student at USC. Crazy stories. :D

Cannon Shell 06-19-2007 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I was stabled at Hialeah for three years from 2000 to the last year it was open in 2004. I was pulled over by the police three seperate times going to work because I was a white guy driving a Luxury SUV in that area. The reason that I was pulled over each time was because I was in a high drug area at an unusual time and I was white. I can recall at least three incidents of people being shot or shot at while stabled there. The mexicans hated to go there because they pretty consistently got mugged when they left the track at night or beat up because they were Mexican. Half the crime in the area goes unreported because many of the people who live there are illegals who keep a low profile. You can site you stats all you want but I saw it first hand.

Actually it was from 99 to 01, I just looked up my records.

Riot 06-19-2007 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
That's right/ Just be careful at night. I don't drive much at night now; I've got a burnt out headlight.

Hey, come on try a little, nothing is forever, there's got to be something better than in the middle. Me & Cinderella, we put it all together, we can drive it home ... with one headlight

SentToStud 06-19-2007 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Actually it was from 99 to 01, I just looked up my records.

You'd have been lonely there after '01. That's when they closed. And six years is a long time. It certainly has changed there for the better with growth and as development pushed out. There's only so many miles between the beach and the swamp to build.

Cannon Shell 06-19-2007 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
You'd have been lonely there after '01. That's when they closed. And six years is a long time. It certainly has changed there for the better with growth and as development pushed out. There's only so many miles between the beach and the swamp to build.

It may have changed in recent years but it and the neighborhoods to the east of it that you had to drive through to get there from 95 sucked when I was there

Cannon Shell 06-19-2007 02:32 PM

It is hard to believe that it has been that long...

Storm Cadet 06-19-2007 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
Two thoughts:

1) New York City doesn't sound so bad after all.

2) I thought that I might read anecdotes about Hialeah's interior and flamingos. Kevlar and profiling of white horse trainers instead. I love it!

Have you been to NYC lately? Listed now as one of the safest major cities in USA:)

Cajungator26 06-19-2007 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Storm Cadet
Have you been to NYC lately? Listed now as one of the safest major cities in USA:)

Don't forget...

the most expensive also. ;)

Did you hear that Jeffie Gordon is renting a $26,000/month apartment until his new condo is done being built?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04052007...raden_keil.htm

blackthroatedwind 06-19-2007 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Buffymommy
I wouldn't live down there.


Based on what I've read in this thread I was thinking of getting you a place.


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