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tector 06-13-2007 12:32 PM

Greta K. to get 10 years
 
http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=39340

Two Former Riders Plead Guilty to Drug Charges in Kentucky
by The Associated Press
Date Posted: 6/13/2007 7:46:37 AM
Last Updated: 6/13/2007 7:46:37 AM

Two former jockeys pleaded guilty to drug charges on Tuesday, months after police found drug paraphernalia in their home and bags of methamphetamine in one of the jockey's vehicles.

Bryan Beccia, the exercise rider for 2001 Kentucky Derby (gr. I) winner Monarchos, pleaded guilty to possession, trafficking and making methamphetamine in Jefferson Circuit Court. The 42-year-old Beccia agreed to a 25-year prison sentence. He will remain on home incarceration until his sentencing on Aug. 3.

Greta Kuntzweiler, 31, who became just the second female jockey to ride in the Kentucky Oaks (gr. I) when she rode Rugula in the race two years ago, pleaded guilty to making and trafficking methamphetamine. She accepted a 10-year sentence.

Police found several bags of methamphetamine during a search of Beccia's vehicle last November. A search of the home the two shared in eastern Jefferson County revealed equipment to make the drug.

Kuntzweiler won 425 races during her career, including the $750,000 Hawthorne Gold Cup aboard Freeforinternet in 2004. She hasn't raced at all this year.

blackthroatedwind 06-13-2007 12:36 PM

I'm sure society is well served with those two prison sentences ( 25 years and 10 years ) while undoubtably violent criminals are going free after lesser sentences.

Coach Pants 06-13-2007 12:50 PM

She'll serve 2.5 to 4 years depending on how good she is in prison.

Merlinsky 06-13-2007 12:53 PM

She didn't just use it, she made it and passed it on. They're doing major crackdowns whenever they find labs. This isn't a first time drug user sentencing that you're gonna get. This is a hardcore sentence for a hardcore drug. They can't just put her or the other jockey into rehab and dismiss/diminish charges. When police and firefighters go into homes where meth was produced they basically have to do the whole hazmat thing. One guy got half his lungs scalded because he didn't realize the risks (should have since he had to wear a mask but whatever), took off his breathing apparatus for a minute, and suffered the consequences. Another woman making meth was boiling kerosene (they do all sorts of crazy things trying to make it), set her trailer on fire by doing that, and ran out to get away from the blaze--trouble is she forgot she had left her children inside, she was so messed up.

sumitas 06-13-2007 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I'm sure society is well served with those two prison sentences ( 25 years and 10 years ) while undoubtably violent criminals are going free after lesser sentences.

I generally agree. This reminds me of the days when there were stills making alcohol during prohibition. Not that I was around then. :D

mark2061mn 06-13-2007 02:51 PM

And these 2 scumbags get a whole 6 months for raping a fellow cllege student.Amazing.



ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - Two former Albany football players pleaded guilty
Wednesday to raping a female student in a campus dorm room last fall.

Lorenzo Ashbourne of Smyrna, Ga., and Julius Harris of Riviera Beach, Fla., each pleaded guilty to a felony count of rape. They are scheduled to be sentenced in August to six months in the Albany County jail, 10 years probation and will be required to register as sex offenders.
Prosecutors said the two freshmen football players raped an intoxicated classmate in their room on the Albany campus in October. Both men were expelled from the university.

A rape charge against a third former Albany player, Charles Guadagno of Fallston, Md., is still pending.

Honu 06-13-2007 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I'm sure society is well served with those two prison sentences ( 25 years and 10 years ) while undoubtably violent criminals are going free after lesser sentences.

I do believe she was on probation for the same offense when she got busted again , Im pretty sure the judge had just about enough of her crap and threw the book at her , as well he or she should have.
Sure people make mistakes but when you are given a pass for the first time the next time your gonna have to pay.

Riot 06-13-2007 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas
I generally agree. This reminds me of the days when there were stills making alcohol during prohibition. Not that I was around then. :D

Met is an incredibly dangerous and addictive drug, a huge problem in KY, dangerous to those that use it, make it, the neighborhoods the labs are in, the police/fire that bust the labs, the debris left over from the labs and dumped locally.

Sad about both of them to get involved in that - once into met, you can't get out.

The Bid 06-13-2007 03:13 PM

Pretty sad Mark.

Youd think rape/child molestation would carry a heavier sentence than a few skunks selling and smoking some meth. I think the sentence is excessive. No need to put drug abusers in jail, they should be forced into a rehabilitation unless they have other violent offenses.

paisjpq 06-13-2007 03:51 PM

I think 10 years is a mandatory minimum in KY for manufacture of meth.

byalip 06-13-2007 04:10 PM

Second offense while on probation, caught manufacturing & distributing--seems like a fair sentence.

Maybe she'll get to particpate in one of the prison programs that work with inmates on retraining ex-racehorses. Shake You Down is enjoying prison life and benefiting from just such a program in FL.

Indelible 06-13-2007 06:55 PM

I don't know, I am kinda on the fence on this one, the making and selling is pretty bad. Who knows how many young, niave girls (and guys for that matter) they could have convinced to try this stuff. There are many at the track that just don't have the experience or street smarts when they first start out, and I am sure they would have been easy targets. I believe they both are repeat offenders, if I am mistaken please correct me, but am pretty sure this isn't the first brush with the law for them.

timmgirvan 06-13-2007 07:07 PM

Any predator should receive the harshest penalty....selling drugs,raping.molestations,spousal abuse....and a host of other crimes.

blackthroatedwind 06-13-2007 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Any predator should receive the harshest penalty....selling drugs,raping.molestations,spousal abuse....and a host of other crimes.


As long as you also include bookmaking.

SentToStud 06-13-2007 07:11 PM

Screw 'em.

It's not their first offense and they were selling it. I wouldn't care if they smoked, snorted or injected their own eyeballs with it if that's all they did. But it's very cheap and a huge problem drug with kids.

There are better ways to make money.

timmgirvan 06-13-2007 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
As long as you also include bookmaking.

Interesting thought,BTW! Back in the day I had one of those people, though I never had to worry about being a victim of a beating or the 'vig'. But that type of business is real enough.

blackthroatedwind 06-13-2007 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Interesting thought,BTW! Back in the day I had one of those people, though I never had to worry about being a victim of a beating or the 'vig'. But that type of business is real enough.


No, you are missing the point. They are no less predators that prey on people's weaknesses than drug dealers.

timmgirvan 06-13-2007 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
No, you are missing the point. They are no less predators that prey on people's weaknesses than drug dealers.

It might be a "coastal" thing,but the 3 different "books' I used were pretty laid back....no bats or broken bones.

2MinsToPost 06-13-2007 07:33 PM

The company I work for hired this lady who was 33 and missing most of her teeth, the ones she had were rotted. We were all suspicious. She always acted crazy, like constanly bouncing around, shaking etc etc.....

She worked a couple days, got a paycheck, and then called off a couple days. She did show back up for work, and they suspected something.

She tested positive for meth. I guess that stuff rots your teeth like no tomorrow. This drug is scary on all fronts, the manufactuing of it is DANGEROUS. 2 more people who don't belong in society off the streets.

declansharbor 06-13-2007 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
It might be a "coastal" thing,but the 3 different "books' I used were pretty laid back....no bats or broken bones.

A co worker of mine was almost "de-legged" from a book last year, and this was over some Mickey Mouse $hit. (a few hundred)...We break his balls and recite the Eugene Ponticorvo scene when he walked into that joint and blasted that fat mess watching his ballgame while eating..I can't stand lame bettors who welch on thier bets...People that do things like that will be caught up to by the karma police sooner or later...

SentToStud 06-13-2007 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
No, you are missing the point. They are no less predators that prey on people's weaknesses than drug dealers.

Not many bookmakers will take action from a 12 year old.

Someone making this drug for distribution has that exact intent.

blackthroatedwind 06-13-2007 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
Not many bookmakers will take action from a 12 year old.

Someone making this drug for distribution has that exact intent.


So, it's drug dealers that sell to minors you have a problem with? The ones who only sell to people of the age of consent are OK?

Coach Pants 06-13-2007 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
Not many bookmakers will take action from a 12 year old.

Someone making this drug for distribution has that exact intent.

That's a doozy of a broad generalization.

timmgirvan 06-13-2007 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor
A co worker of mine was almost "de-legged" from a book last year, and this was over some Mickey Mouse $hit. (a few hundred)...We break his balls and recite the Eugene Ponticorvo scene when he walked into that joint and blasted that fat mess watching his ballgame while eating..I can't stand lame bettors who welch on thier bets...People that do things like that will be caught up to by the karma police sooner or later...

True story: Back when exacta were $5....I had a co-worker who had a 2,000 dollar tab one week....we settled accts every week. The courier was his friend. The courier gave 1500 to pay a weekly winner, and the guy who owed the 2,000 used the 1500 to "tent" his house for termites! And as far as I know ....that's where it stands to this day!

fpsoxfan 06-13-2007 08:23 PM

No matter how anyone stands on this, the bottom line it's sad. Greta was working her way through the ranks. Being a woman in the jockey business is not easy. It's sad she chose this lifestyle. "Bad choices, bad consequences"
She has nobody to blame except the woman in the mirror. Let's hope she comes out of this a new person free of the evils of addiction.

VOL JACK 06-13-2007 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I'm sure society is well served with those two prison sentences ( 25 years and 10 years ) while undoubtably violent criminals are going free after lesser sentences.

I agree, Here in Middle Tenn. A lady shot her husband ( a minister) in the back while arguing over finances; she got 9 months!!!

timmgirvan 06-13-2007 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
I agree, Here in Middle Tenn. A lady shot her husband ( a minister) in the back while arguing over finances; she got 9 months!!!

Mary Winkler,right? The whole trial screamed of spousal abuse for years, and Matthew apparently did well at his job, but not at his faith! Agreed, it is a tough way to go,and it has destroyed the family as well. imho

deltagulf 06-13-2007 09:56 PM

if they both used made and sold the stufff. how come one gets 25 the other 10 years. whats up with that?:confused: :confused:

onebadbeast 06-13-2007 11:13 PM

Greta, Greta , Greta, What A Wasted And Ruined Life......................

JJP 06-13-2007 11:14 PM

Crackdown on the bookmakers......as long as the offshores are allowed to prosper.

Indian Charlie 06-14-2007 04:46 AM

BTW, the reason the govt comes down so hard on drug dealers is because they are competition to the drug companies.

It really makes no sense otherwise. How else can it happen that a drug company pays off FDA officials to approve a drug they know will kill people (say Vioxx for example), the drug then does kill well into the hundreds of thousands of people in the USA, and nobody even gets a slap on the wrist?

Someone brought up preying on twelve year olds with meth. Why is it okay to give a 12yo ritalin, which is really just a form of speed?

There really seems to be no sense of perspective in this country anymore when it comes to crime and punishment. Kill someone, you get a year or so, depending on how outraged the public is.

Steal from a bank or a major corporation, you get 300 years.

Be an executive at the same bank or corporation and steal from the employees? You get slapped on the wrist with a multi million dollar buyout to leave the company and serve about 3 days in a country club prison.

SentToStud 06-14-2007 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
So, it's drug dealers that sell to minors you have a problem with? The ones who only sell to people of the age of consent are OK?

No, not OK.

I have a bigger problem with drug dealers than with bookmakers.

I have a bigger problem with drug dealers who are makers and distributors of cheap chemicals which are more likely to be sold to children than I have with drug dealers who sell to adults.

This is what you asked. This is what I believe. Neither is "ok," imo, it's a matter of degree which is the topic of the thread (severity of sentence and not the condoning/condemning of the act).

fpsoxfan 06-14-2007 06:09 AM

Someone brought up preying on twelve year olds with meth. Why is it okay to give a 12yo ritalin, which is really just a form of speed?

You are way, way off target there my friend. As an educator, I can line up families that have suffered the ill effects of Meth addiction. As a friend of many people in Law enforcement, just listen to some of the sad stories of children whose parents are hooked on meth. I'm not a huge fan of ritalin.
I know several children who have been on it and it has helped. Ritalin is probably over prescribed, but to try to compare it to Meth is just plain ass speak.

MisterB 06-14-2007 06:28 AM

To bad they choose the wrong path to follow. I don't feel sorry for anyone who does drugs, or sells them. Does the time fit the crime? All depends what state you live in. In Vermont, you can molest a child, and get less than 3 months, in New York, you get 25 years.

The Indomitable DrugS 06-14-2007 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
I'm not a huge fan of ritalin.
I know several children who have been on it and it has helped. Ritalin is probably over prescribed, but to try to compare it to Meth is just plain ass speak.

I don't know about today---but I can tell you for sure that less than 10 years ago, in my area, snorting ritalin was FAR more common among high schoolers, than the use of any other drug, outside of probably smoking marijuana.

It was a great day for a lot of kids when they got themselves prescribed ritalin....even if they weren't into snorting it....they could make money selling it.

Mortimer 06-14-2007 07:33 AM

Getting hosed on rye bread should be up there,too.

SentToStud 06-14-2007 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I don't know about today---but I can tell you for sure that less than 10 years ago, in my area, snorting ritalin was FAR more common among high schoolers, than the use of any other drug, outside of probably smoking marijuana.

It was a great day for a lot of kids when they got themselves prescribed ritalin....even if they weren't into snorting it....they could make money selling it.

How wonderfully astute of you.

I'm sure you celebrated by running a dozen red lights.

fpsoxfan 06-14-2007 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable
I don't know about today---but I can tell you for sure that less than 10 years ago, in my area, snorting ritalin was FAR more common among high schoolers, than the use of any other , outside of probably smoking .

It was a great day for a lot of kids when they got themselves prescribed ritalin....even if they weren't into snorting it....they could make money selling it.

Any prescribed medication can be abused. The discussion is Meth and it's ill effects.
We can try to get into any pshyco babble we want on here comparing meth with other ...legal or illegal, but my advice to most people on here.....stick to what your good at...Horse Racing.

Mortimer 06-14-2007 08:46 AM

but my advice to most people on here.....stick to what your good at...Horse Racing.
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