Cavs can't shoot!
 

Down 55-50 after three qtrs, they are 1-12 from behind the arc, James isn't close with his junp shot, the only guy playing well for them is Z...both ends.

They played just slightly worse than the Spurs...but the Pgardns' win the thriller!:D

Bring back Phoenix.

The Eastern Conference is lucky they don't put a BCS system in.....they'd never see the light of day!:eek:

The refs are so use to letting Bowen foul that they even ignored the intentional foul behind the 3 point line.

it was intentional....wouldn't have been 3 fts anyway!

So,why didn't he call the foul? It's because they are so use to ignoring this guy fouling guys....habit.

Scuds: I'm really not a fan of his,but he is a 7 yr straight All Defense player! The real problem is that on SA worst nite....the Cavs couldn't put them away.

I am not talking about who won or lost the game etc.That's all your characterization stuff.I'm just saying that this no-call on the intentional foul is nothing new when we are talking about this Thug,Bowen.He is just another thug in America(getting away with it.)Here,ignore me..k..Watch the videos.Kind of hard to deny it when it's right in front of you,but go ahead.Tapped away at Nash's arm in the Phoenix series,and was never called for it.Intentionally kicked Stoudamire,and got away with it(after all ...it's all just because it happens by "chance.")


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They shoot worse than a bad highschool team

Brown should be fired for not calling a timeout

Verajao should be deported for firing up that ridiculous half hook with the game on the line

Lebron shouldnt be compared to Jordan until further notice. Jordan would have won that game, and Pippen wouldnt have been taking a shot on a big possession.

Drew Gooden is the dumbest player to ever lay his hands on a ball, I mean its a complete joke the way he puts himself in the air with no idea of what hes going to do.

The offense was a train wreck, the set plays were poorly drawn and executed.

The series simply boils down to the Cavs being overmatched at every position but one. Not that it matters in the long run but Ithink the refs have let both teams get away with far too much contact. Obviously LeBron hasn't earned celebrity status in the eyes of the refs because he is getting fouled pretty much everytime he goes toward the hoop but very few have been called. You could not get within an arms length of Jordan or Bird without a fould being called, and that was when the NBA wasn't called in such a soft manner. The missed call on Bowen at the end was bad but the charge they called on Manu in the third quarter was as bad a call as I've seen, maybe ever. But in the end the Spurs are too versitile offensively, played very good defensively(of course Cleveland being inept has a lot to do with that) and have a deeper, more talented roster with an very good Coach. Cleveland just does not have much talent, a 2nd year head coach , missing a starter, too many issues.

When you watch San Antonio you wonder what the hell happens to them every other year?

Somebody looks them in the eye.To be honest,Duncan then gets to missing easy shots.If you look Duncan dead in the eye,and match his team's intensity,then Duncan will miss easy shots.The Cav's grew a set for what? About 4 or 5 minutes on Sunday Night..Spurs(all the sudden missed shots.) When the Cav's started missing a few,the Spurs started making a few.If you go back to last year,you'll see that Duncan missed a lot of shots late in the final game against the MAVS.Every other year they do that.That's why I bet PGRDN last year,and didn't bet him this year.I bet him(last year) that Detroit would win it all,and he took the Spurs.To collect,one of them had to actually win it all.I will probably bet him again next year,but I have seen enough of this league's actions to know that they do overlook the Spurs thug activities(while not overlooking Dallas',or the Suns'.) So,I will tell you right now that any bet we do next year is gunna be null and void if any of the Spurs' post -season opponents just happen to be suspended games for fighting etc. Both these last 2 years just happened to have that league getting involved to give u a warm bottle.See,you got a tape showing Bowen intentionally kicking Stoudemire.I don't know if he went after his achilles.I just think the thug took his cheap shot when he had the chance.For you to say that it was unintentional would be contradicted by the tape.Mainly though,his past activities show that he takes cheap shots.So,why would Stern think this was unintentional? Cuz he wants to think that way.He would have to want to think that way(to come to that conclusion.)Anyways,PGRDN,just know if Stern helps you out again(3 years in a row) the bet will be trashed.

$1000 on somebody other than the Spurs to win the Championship in 2008.If you are so damn sure they can repeat,then shut up ,and put up.Don't talk it.Commit to it with $$.

Scuds: you're obsessing again! Basketball is a contact sport now...not that I like it that way(NCAA rocks). I heard an interestin trade rumor last night involving Kobe going to the Bulls for Deng,Henrich,and Gordon. If I was the Lakers...I'd make that trade in a heartbeat! You?

I would never trade him(KOBE.)HOW DO YA TRADE A GUY THAT GIVES 100% ALL THE TIME? That team is the way it is because the smart guy(West) Left.

Kobe is right ....the franchise is a mess! And the way it is now....it won't be fixed for awhile...cuz Doc Buss won't spend more dough.

Remember Scuds is the same guy that said at least 100 times Tony Parker was a choker and would NEVER win a championship. He was 19 years old at the time so the ability to pick out good basketball and players is highly suspect. Scuds also said Sheed was the answer after 1 championship against a Shaqless Laker team. I told him what happens with Sheed when things dont go his way. He gives up and pulls some crap to relieve himself.

Look in the eye. Pure horse ****. The Spurs play like a team and dont get rattled. The Eastern Conference was just bad. And Phoenix whining wont win a championship. The only guy on the team that realizes this is Nash.

Stick to the golf Scuds. You have not a clue.

David Stern wants the Spurs in the championship because of the TV draw... yes indeed. The refs are told let Bowen get away with everything and send Duncan to the foul line as much as possible. Makes so much sense.

Lebron is young and will get calls as soon as he learns not to get himself in impossible positions where the refs wont bail him out.

Quit your whining Scuds. The Spurs have the best record of any sports frachise over 70% in the last 10 years. No other franchise can claim this. And its all because David Stern likes them. Perfect logic. Its because they got lucky with the lottery (Robinson and Duncan) and surrounded them with good players.

He asked why they can't win 2 years in a row,and I told him why.I said Parker needed a sports psychologist,and you can't tell me he didn't get one.He was choking,and he probably did get help for it.Just because you don't value them(sports psychologists) doesn't mean pro athletes feel the same. The part about me saying he will never win a championship is simply a lie.That's a new lie this year that you brought out.You never said that before this year,but a couple weeks ago you started up with that lie.You didn't say that last year,or in 2005. The farther away from the time period in question,the more creative you get.Enough talk,teacha. Put ya money up.$1000 says somebody other than the Spurs win it all in 2008.You have always said they can indeed win it 2 years in a row.So,shut up,and put up.Next lie you gunna tell is that I said the Spurs couldn't win it this year.

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We get the friggin message already!

I'll take every other year for another 15 years. You can have your two and done.


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Tony Parker will never win a championship... Never. What about it Scuds. We are going on three with Parker. And cut it with the lie stuff. Total BS. Typical Californian... he needs therapy... WHAT A TOTAL CROCK.

And since you always refer to my profession, what is it exactly that you do for a living?

Give me odds with the 1000. There are quite a few other teams. What odds?

Yea,Chicken **** lookin' for odds now.You are a liar,and chicken ****,too.

Most everybody on here knows you're a liar now.I didn't even talk to you until the spring of 2004.Parker got a ring with the Spurs in 2003.So,how is it possible I said he will never get ring(when he already got ring.) DUH........LIAR.

Yea, Yea... sure. According to you Parker choked in 2003 so it was not his. Speedy Claxton took his place... HOW SOON WE FORGET. They did indeed pull Parker at the end of games for Claxton. So it was of course not Tony's ring because he was not point at the end of games you big bender of the truth.
Who needs the therapist... I have hit a nerve .

Babs you are indeed correct. It was Malone that was hurt for most of the series and he really hurt the Spurs. I was wrong on this. but not the above.

Scuds you dont even have the 4000 dollars you might need to pay me with the odds. Im not a risk taker going 50/50. Duncan, Parker, Ginobili gets hurt we are dead... Ya idiot.

And what exactly is it that you do so that you could pay me if we did bet? Ya still avoid your proffesion.

No,I am done with him.Ain't betting with him.Can't trust that liar.

"Yea, Yea... sure. According to you Parker choked in 2003 so it was not his."

I give you credit.You are creative.You are a liar,though.Just like any other liar,you got a way to make it seem like you aren't what you are.

You my friend lost a flippin bet. You had the Spurs parlayed with some South American putt-putt champ and the Spurs lost your money against the Lakers. Give it up. I know you remember so remember who the liar is. You were rooting hard for the Spurs and acted like you hated the Lakers. I remember it very well.
Then Parker, the teenager, needed to see a therapist because he lost the series in your mind. Your vile attitude, comes from a bet lost. You called Parker all sorts of names. I know you remember ya lyin fart.

You are a prime example why it is stupid to lie.It is difficult to stay out of your own way.The truth usually makes sense.Once you start with the lies,you often don't make sense.You are correct about me betting the Spurs in 2004.Now,try telling me why I would say Parker will never get a ring? I bet that he would indeed get a ring in 2004,and besides that,he already had a ring from 2003.After he through up bricks in the final game against the Lakers,I SAID HE NEEDED A SPORTS PSYCHIATRIST.What I am telling you makes sense.You,however have contradicted yourself.This is what liars do.Slowly but surely you get caught up in your lie.The part about the 2003 ring not counting though.........it really is typical of the creativity a liar is capable of.

Oh huge difference, sports psych., therapist, huge diff. Scuds. Dig in deeper with your petty little arguements.

Bottom Line: You lost a friggin bet, and you toasted a kid because you lost some money. Now you want to bet me... and your profession is...? How can you be good for your money Scuds? And you said Tony Parker would not win a championship. I know you said this and you do also. So keep it up, you are getting nowhere. Your just relying on these obscure little details to try and relieve the pain that the Spurs are champions yet again and that you say basically what I have stated. YOU KNOW IT.

It is incredible to me you could hate a team so much because you lost a bet. Of course you were also like this with the horses... hated animals and would rather see them dead because they lost you a bet. That is what it comes down to. Bitter does not begin to describe your bizarre attitude.

Number 4. I mean honestly, can it really hurt you that much. There must be something you hate more than the Spurs winning. That is just sad.

Well,fine..Evidence is all here.Fact is you accused me of saying Parker will never win a championship.Since I didn't ever talk to you until the Spring of 2004,you are a liar(he was already wearing 2003 ring.)All this other stuff is said to obscure this lie.

You know what you said about Parker... You know how you beat up on a teenager. All teenagers need a sports psychatrist I guess. And you know losing a bet "spurred" your hatred.

I KNOW I DIDN'T SAY THAT "HE WOULD NEVER WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP." I know that is your fiction.You want to win your arguments with people so badly that you lie,and latch on to any off topic subject you can think of.He won a championship with the Spurs in 2003,and I put money on the Spurs to win it again in 2004.I didn't talk to you until spring 2004.So,all this is you just having trouble keeping your lies straight.When you're caught telling a lie,you gotta tell another one.You evidently lost track of the fact PARKER won a ring before I ever wrote anything on the ESPN site,but you can't go back.Now you are stuck trying to sell the lie that I said Parker(already with a ring in spring 2004) would never win a ring.That's what ya wrote.You're just a caught liar.How many more lies you gunna tell to try to make that lie seem true? They just snowball right back to you,and you better keep track of each one.

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I remember the summer the Spurs played the Lakers. Thats when you professed your bet. I dont remember anything about the spring or 2003. I dont even think you were on the ESPN site. If you were I dont remember. So it may have been another poster that chimed in about Parker choking.

You know what you said AFTER the Spurs lost to the Lakers. That is when it all went down. NOT before. Thats when you spewed your hatred AFTER the Spurs LA series was over. So maybe you said a ring again. All I know is you said the Spurs would not win a championship with Parker. This may have been after he had a ring. But you said typed this, and you said he needed some sort of mental help. And you disparaged him constantly and unecessarily... YOU KNOW THIS. I wish we had a friggin polygraph machine.

Plus you have avoided a question about your profession, since you constantly refer to mine in a belittling way. So if you want to bet, where is your source of income?

Being the Cavs homer that I am I haven't gotten to comment on this since I was on vacation and wasn't typing. Spurs too good this year. I fail to think the Cavs were completely overmatched however as many are suggesting especially the talking heads this series. They shot atrociously at home in game's 3 and 4 and still had legitimate chances to win both games. It was partially SA defense, but they also missed a ton of uncontested shots especially from the 3 point line. The only game that was a blowout was game 2 when the Spurs lit it up for 3 quarters.

What bothered me most about the series was the Cavs suffered a major injury and it was tossed in the garbage and not even considered a factor by the talking heads. The only one who even mentioned it was Rick Carlisle. Their starting point guard was in street clothes in game 3 and 4. Would it have been a story if the SA starting point guard was in street clothes in game's 3 and 4?? Larry Hughes is certainly no superstar or a great shooter, but he is a 15 point, 4 rebound, 4 assist guy through the year and through the first two playoff series'. He scored 2 points in the entire series and played 43 minutes total...on cortisone shots. Hughes was a guy who averaged 37 minutes a game during the season. And to act like his injury was a non factor in the Cavs play as virtually everyone on the planet did excluding Rick Carlisle was ludicrous. They masked it the Detroit series, but playing against SA is a different beast. It is no surprise Parker could not be stopped. That would have been Hughes' responsiblity for the most part. I typed before the series that the guy who scared me this series was Parker and I was 100 percent right. I knew Hughes could not guard him in his condition or even come close...which left whom?? A 21 year old Gibson.

Let's not forget the Cavs played their best ball in the regular season when Hughes became the point guard and Pavlovic moved into the starting lineup. In the end, I think there is no way even a healthy Cavs team beats San Antonio this series, but with a healthy Larry Hughes, this series is still going on in my mind without question.

It is a darn shame the Cavs had to play their first finals series undermanned with an absolutely major injury and that not a person even considered it a factor in their play was stunning.

You got 15 points, 4 boards and 4 assists in street clothes and it isn't a factor or even worth mentioning. Strange. My guess is if the Spurs number 2 scorer (Parker) is in street clothes, it's talked about just a tad bit more!!!

(anyone want some cheese with that whine???)

You are absolutely correct. Unfortunately for you as a Cavs fan, they are severly hamstrung by the salary cap with a few bad contracts and are going to have trouble retaining Pavolic and Anderson let alone bring in anyone new.