Teammate in Mother Goose
 

What will her odds be? Bushfire is going to take action and so is Lemons Forever...Both are very vunerable as Lemon's Forever couldn't have asked for a better set up last time and all these insane efforts from Bushfire have to take their toll soon or later, wheeling back this quick says no play for Scav.

She's Excellent, no shot, I question if Joint Effort will get 9 panels and Shug putting Pine Island in this race tells me he thinks it is wide open

3/1 on Teammate?

I've been playing Busfire ever since her Tampa race. No reason to stop now. She done me right.

I love those AP Indys, but she really ran horribly in the Acorn, with absolutely no excuse. I don't see her running well at all, unfortunately

They find an excuse for the pathetic Acorn effort,or is she just another 3 year old filly that doesn't give a sht? And you wonder why I like a horse like Jazil? A horse like Lit de Justice? Horses that go to f'n work,and leave it on the track.All of it.

In my opinion, Teammate was very hard to love in the Acorn, off that kind of layoff basically sprinting, especially at a shorter than deserved price. She needs more ground and she needs to be on the lead. Even with a perfect break (which I dont think she got) she would have been hard pressed to outsprint both Bushfire (who has learned to rate) and Hello Liberty (fast sprinter). Not saying she was "impossible" in that spot, but 9/2 was ridiculously low per her chances at winning that race.

She will be much better this time around, gets a race (albeit a very bad one) under her belt and gets an extra furlong. Plus she will most likely be hard sent from the rail in a race that lacks any real sprinting speed.

Look for her to be 1-2 in this race, certainly cant see her being any worse than that.

I absolutely hate Lemons forever in this spot for all the reasons Oracle provided in a different thread.

Gander,by your own admission,you're in heavy credit card debt.So,why would anybody give a sht about what you think about a horse's chances to win a race that has already been run?You do that an awful lot.The point was not that she was a great bet that day.The point is she didn't try that day.

Thats not a very nice thing to say Scuds. I clearly stated before the Acorn in at least one different thread I did not like Teammate. By why would I need to explain that to you, I dont.

Greetings from floodland. Have been away at in the town where my grandmothers live and havent had any pc acess. Hopped on this morning at my cousins house. Hope everyone is doing well.
Tim I think what Scuds is trying to say is that the very often you critique a horses performance based upon its odds. This has no relationship in analyzing how a horse ran whatsoever, none. I simply see no correlation in how a horse ran and the odds it went off at. Once a race is over you simply review how each horse ran and critique it. Whether or not Teammate was a good bet that day is a completly seperate argument. Teammate simply refused to try that day for whatever reason.

You don't realize it,but you have a very irritating habit of going back and saying somebody was a bad play.Somebody so n so was a horrible play at such n such odds because of blah blah blah.You don't get paid that way.You get paid by selecting horses to do something.If you want to book bets(take people's action on horses you hate)then I might have one site you can do it on,but I don't even know if that one still allows it(I think so.)To give you an idea of how little value it is to say what you did,you would have to put up about $350-$450 just to get somebody's $100(the ones that wanted to bet Teammate.)You have to be right 8 0r 9 times in a row to double your money.You have to be right a lot of times (when you say you don't like somebody.)What's important is who you can get to actually win.So,your giving out 1 to 4 shots when you do this.Even if you tell us a 3/5 shot is a horrible play,you are only putting out a 7 to 5 shot.Easiest thing in the world is to say somebody won't win.

I forgot who it was, somebody on this board or somebody at the track that day said Teammate may have been bothered by that craziness going on in the gate when Wonder Lady Anne and Miraculous Miss got scratched. Could make sense.

But regardless of the odds, I think Teammate is better going 2 turns. Thats just my opinion. I like her big time tomorrow. Jerken's horses are all running lights out and he says she is training beautifully since that awfully dull Acorn.

Very good point by Oracle and Scuds. People often combine a past performance with a horses odds. The two dont have a thing in common. This is why race replays are the best handicapping tool in all of sports.

Now to the Acorn.....Lemons Forver--NOT A CHANCE IN HECK. This horse needs to be in two turn races. The horse should like the track but needs two turns. Bushfire has that extra furlong and I wouldnt touch her at all for the win in this race. Teamate looks good to me. I can forgive her last race. But the horse I am interested in is Joint Effort.

Well,a ton of us play pick 3,4 or 6.We don't care as much about what they pay to win.It helps,but we are trying to get through these races.I don't think many singled Teammate,but I don't think many could leave her off a ticket either.

Agree with everything you said, including Joint Effort.
Tim what the public thought a horse would do has no place in a discussion about how a horse ran. And I think that where it makes no sense is when you will say that so and so is a rat after losing at short odds narrowly and that so and so ran huge in the same type of effort because of the odds. Would Barbaro's Derby have been more impressive if he was 20-1 or less impressive if he was 3-5? I think that a race is a race, and the odds have nothing to do with it whatsoever.

You know Oracle--it cracks me up when I watch people handicap a race by first looking at the m'l odds or what the current odds are. Now, current odds are important to me in a race where there are some first time starters. But I usually handicap a race out of the DRF. Then I give the horses my own odds. Most of the time, I could care less what the betting public thinks.

For the 9th team I said I didnt like Teammate 2 days before the Acorn without any knowledge or any guess what the odds may have been. Someone piss in your cheerios this morning?

If she was 10/1 I still wouldnt have played her. For the record I got burnt when Hello Libert lost the close finish but I did use Bushfire in the picks.

Gander,I apologize if I was rude.Part of what you originally wrote is useful stuff

"She will be much better this time around, gets a race (albeit a very bad one) under her belt and gets an extra furlong. Plus she will most likely be hard sent from the rail in a race that lacks any real sprinting speed.

Look for her to be 1-2 in this race, certainly cant see her being any worse than that.

I absolutely hate Lemons forever in this spot for all the reasons Oracle provided in a different thread."

The part that is just useless to anybody is the following part(and I don't know why you do it,but you do it often)............

"In my opinion, Teammate was very hard to love in the Acorn, off that kind of layoff basically sprinting, especially at a shorter than deserved price. She needs more ground and she needs to be on the lead. Even with a perfect break (which I dont think she got) she would have been hard pressed to outsprint both Bushfire (who has learned to rate) and Hello Liberty (fast sprinter). Not saying she was "impossible" in that spot, but 9/2 was ridiculously low per her chances at winning that race. "

The part that is just useless to anybody is the following part(and I don't know why you do it,but you do it often)............

Yes, as useless as you bringing my credit card debt into the discussion having to with Teammate.

I got in credit card debt when I was younger. Then I got the best advice ever. Transfer the balance with 0%. Man was that a saver for me. Now I had 12 months to pay it off, but it is well worth it. One year later, BOOM $8000 in debt was gone.

Teammate could be alright.

Well, you write about your debt on here regularly.So,you're trying to tell us somebody was a bad play(but at the same time your plays aren't coming in ,or you wouldn't be in debt.)Right? Or are you saying your expertise is knowing what won't come in?(not what will come in,but what won't come in.)

WHOA guys, don't let this turn ugly and personal.
Tim, I agree with what you say about Teammate only to small extent. She could very well have been extremely upset when that incident occurred and we really don't know why she ran poorly, but I do know that the amount of cash the public put on her didn't make her run faster or slower.
Lets just cash some tickets this weekend guys.

And Tim friend to friend it doesnt help that you call every horse a rat who loses as the fave or start money burning rat thread. Sometimes people here have keyed those horses in pik-3's and they really don't need to here that after a race. Like Scuds ays, in pik-3's or pik-4's you are looking for singles sometimes. Noone I know would ever bet a horse to win at 3-5 but many may single it. The last thing they wanna hear after that is a nickname like Wanna Rat. It doesnt really sound that cute to guys who just lost a pik-3 play.
Now I know you dont mean anything by it, but I have known you 18 years, not everyone else here has.

nothing wrong with getting a lock 3/5 to key p3/4s super ect on ..
my 2c

Would anyone be so kind to tell me, because I can't pull it up at work, if the p4 starts with the 6 or 7th race tomorrow at Bel. It would save me some time and I am under a great deal of pressure, nobody knows(kentness)...

Yea,sorry I brought it up.Gander, have a good Holiday,and enjoy your Red Hot Sox.

7th race chief.

Thank you, now you will achieve total enlightenment, so you got that going for you...

joint effort all day...

Joint Effort=5 wins=4 of those 5 at Churchill=Joint Effort=Churchill Specialist

Shug's Filly or Ready to Please

QUESTION: What do you guys think of Pine Island's chances? Only two races. Last race was at the distance and time was slow but it was on the slop. Do any of you think she has a shot?

this his win at gulf doesent count...?,,,sunshine mill day..

That's what I said 4 out of 5 wins at Churchill, she's thrown some bad clunkers elsewhere, I'll let her beat me, but she gets the automatic cut...

ouch thats hurts ,,that really does..im loading from race 1 to 9...

If she wins, I'll be the first to congratulate and admit I was wrong, but this is about her sixth or seventh race in a row, I think she's going to be over the top...Playing the late pik 4 tomorrow, maybe single Clemente's horse in the 7th...Good Luck, if she wins and you guys cash, I'll have no problem..

I have to say, I was really impressed with the way Bushfire finished in her last. She was really game. I've got to cheer for her here, too.

me too but i think she used alot there..

That's my only concern. It's only been 3 weeks, after all!

Teammate has a question:

"Gulfstream opens when?"

I only saw the race quickly but Pine Island looked like she was still very game in the end. I liked this filly before but I think I like her more now.

I didn't see this thread before the race so couldn't back you up then, but I took Pine Island in the Public Handicapper contest for this race. This filly was bred especially to run at Belmont by the Phipps family. If you saw her, she is one of those tall sorts that stand over a lot of ground and has a big, long stride. And she is out of a full sister to Pleasant Home, et. al. She WILL win the CCA Oaks.