Street Sense not out of Belmont yet!
 

I saw that article earlier. It would be interesting if the big three come back. I'd be quite surprised though. Also it might be a case of be careful what you wish for. Do we want a big field..which would be the case(as many as 12 I've heard) if one or two of the big three dont' show....or......do we want a smaller field with the big three being in...Am I making any sense?
Personally I would love to see a rematch....So does NYRA.

Nobody is going to watch it if the big 3 don't come back.

Having a small field, but with the big 3, would be the best thing to happen as long as the horses all come out of the Preakness okay. I would love it as well.

I just want Rags To Riches in the race.....

Would also be interesting....Why not? She'd make a good showing.

I would point her to the Alabama, why go for the Belmont?

Because she can win it.

Ehehee.

Maybe, but why ruin her doing it. Shugs horse was never the same horse after that race. She ran 3rd, but never ran that good after. This seems like a bad choice to me.

I disagree.

Shug's horse (My Flag) won the Grade 1 Coaching Club American Oaks by open lengths in her next start after the Belmont. She also won the Grade 1 Gazelle three starts after her 3rd place finish in the Belmont.

As far as from a speed figure standpoint, My Flag ran a 100 Beyer in her 3rd place finish in the Belmont Stakes. She ran five more times that year, and her figures were 102, 97, 98, 103, and 100.

I wouldn't call that ruined.....but, I did have to actually go back and look her up to remember everything that happened for sure.

I just got Smart Strike confused with another Ontario bred horse who came from Woodbine (Langfuhr) in another post earlier today....I'm slipping a little with my memory from these mid-90's horses.

I like the idea of the coaching club, and the Alabama for RTR. They are just scrambling around now for a triple crown race. Better for her I think.

Not the horse, the connections failures. It is them, not her.

Do you think they ever consider this move if they had any success with their prior horse.

She belongs in the race and can very much win it.

I don't buy that it will have a negative effect on her career or might ruin her.

It's true she doesn't gain all that much from a commercial value standpoint, because shes a filly, but....I have a feeling she runs regardless of who elses goes.

If she wins--I really hope the press doesn't get carried away with the Pletcher angle and make this out to be some great training job.

Although anything is possible, I don't see anyone in the 3-yo filly division touching RTR, so why not try the Belmont?

She has nothing left to prove against her class. It makes more sense to me for her to face 3-yo boys in the Belmont going 1-1/2 now when she clearly can get the distance, and then take on older fillies and mares later this fall.

As far as the big 3, I would welcome all 3 back if it didn't scare away RTR and colts who should be formidable going 1-1/2 like Sightseeing, Great Hunter and Tiago.

Are you part owner

She was put on the bench in Cal. with the Boys, on the bench for the Derby, but now she belongs. Yea, because they are out of ammo, and win at any cost.
OK

I hope she runs in the Belmont. The longer they wait to run her against the boys, the more likely she is to lose.

From no shot to all the shots

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10280

The funniest thing about that thread is seeing PG1985's signature.

I'm obviously not her part owner.

I said all along she'd run in the Kentucky Oaks and it was the right spot for her.

Being by a Belmont Stakes winner and out of a Dam who dropped a Belmont Stakes winner, the 12 furlong Belmont Stakes isn't a bad spot for her at all. If she's ever going to beat the top 3-year-old males, I believe it will be in the Belmont Stakes.

I don't see how this is "win at all costs....and put the best intrest of the horse 2nd" Rags to Riches is unarguably the top filly in her division, and she simply has a very legit chance to win that race.

As for your theory that running in the Belmont Stakes will ruin a filly, the two fillies who ran in the 90's (My Flag and Silverbulletday) had a combined record of 6-5-0-1 in there next three starts following their Belmont Stake defeats. Four of those five were Grade 1 wins, the other was a Grade 2.

I don't just want to see R2R in the race, from a fan standpoint---but, I'd seriously consider betting on her in that spot.

Why NOT run her, what else is there at a distance for a while in that division? The Acorn at a mile around one turn probably is not her best spot, though she would win anyways.

Take a shot, its getting tiresome all these reason not to run.

Fair enough drugs, I always thought she was good. My derby post gave her alot of credit as a runner. But noone had any faith in her ability till now against the boys. From a betting stand point, I'll roll my cash on her too. She is very talented.

Yep.

I don't see what he was getting at with posting that thread either. It was late February, and I said there was no shot of R2R winning the Derby, because it was obvious she wouldn't run in the Derby.

Besides her, the 3-year-old filly division looked horrendous, so you obviously point for the Oaks with a filly who didn't break her maiden until her 3yo season.

Where is PG any ways? Always good for atleast a laugh or 2 a day

What did he hit it big somewhere!!!:D LOL

Come on drugs, you had no faith in her at all. That's why I posted it. You came back on this tread and now are convinced she is the best. OK? Don't matter anyway.

I'm done here on this thread anyway.

Let's just say for the sake of argument, Rags to Riches wins the Belmont. Now what? Do you point her towards The Travers or The Alabama?

"She's done enough."

Saying "I had no faith in her" ---That's not true at all.

In fact, on another board, I said she'd win the Kentucky Oaks after her January maiden win this year.......however, I don't want to turn this thread into another 'DrugS thinks he's God' thread...contrary to how it really may appear, I haven't started a self promotion campaign lately. I'm not running for anything, nor trying to sell anything to anyone.

You started the thread with the question: "Can a Filly win the Derby tis year???"

Had I felt there was any chance she'd be in the gate on Derby day, I'd have answered differently.

Hey if ya got it, flaunt it. ;) DrugS for President....of Pimlico Race Course because you could probably clean up the place properly, slots or no slots. Sheer force of will m'friend.

Say the big 3 go and so does she and she takes it. It does bring up a good point to ask 'now what' because do you take the 3yo filly gems or try a G1 at a shorter distance against the boys? About that reference to Silverbulletday, I still can't get over how it may or may not've affected Charismatic. My memory's a little funky since it's been 8 years (yikes) but didn't she spur the pace? I just remember watching the stretch, thinking something's not right with Charismatic and that he looks like he could go faster but isn't and then Chris Antley jumping off. He probably would've hurt himself eventually anyway in the near future but I had bad feeling all through the backstretch on that one and I remember grumbling about Baffert for some reason in the middle of the race. Could be 8 year fogfest going on in the ol' noggen so forgive me.

Silverbulletday did set the pace in the Belmont.....23 3/5ths and 47 3/5ths are the exact fractions...as I felt compelled to look it up.

As far as what next if Rags to Riches wins the Belmont Stakes....it would depend on a lot of different things...and it's too early to speculate.

If there is a horse in the land that is better bred to thrive in a 12 furlong dirt race, I don't know who it is. That's what will make it very tempting to run in a race like the Belmont Stakes for those connections....regardless of how many of the "big 3" show up.

if all three go, she won't--so says pletcher.

The bottom line is that at this point winning the Mother Goose is not that big a deal and she can always come back in the CCA Oaks and/or Alabama after the Belmont.

I hope she runs, as it adds to the luster of the race, and if DrugS thinks she can win that's good enough for me. Personally I'm reticent but she's a better horse than My Flag and I lost a few bucks on her in the 1996 Belmont.

i hope she runs, but why she can't run if street sense, curlin and hard spun go, i dont know...
so, i guess i'd like to see all four, as i don't want to 'wish' one of the boys out just so she'll show.

Todd is gasping for air, the owners just want a win, now they got a chance. Save her for where she belongs. She is a lady, not a stud.

She will lose the Belmont if she enters, and may not ever recover after it. Filly's are not colts, and they learn to lose after a hard battle they don't win.

where do you get your information? and how does it makes sense to say that they 'got a chance' but to 'save her for where she belongs'??? if she doesn't belong, how have they got a chance?
how could she not ever recover? that's ridiculous!


oh, and i guess someone forgot to tell ouija board she was never supposed to win again, after those hard-fought but losing battles vs colts. gimmeabreak!!