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31lengths 05-19-2007 05:22 PM

WOW
 
WOW!

GPK 05-19-2007 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 31lengths
WOW!


Borel think he had it won? Looked like he quit for a bit.

EDIT....Calvin didnt quit...horse did.

pointman 05-19-2007 05:23 PM

To all the Curlin bashers, he is for REAL!!!

outofthebox 05-19-2007 05:24 PM

What a race. Another great trip for SS.Just came up short. curlin looked like Easy Goer out there having troiuble handling the turns, and really leveling out in the stretch. Great race by two very nice colts..

GPK 05-19-2007 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Borel think he had it won? Looked like he quit for a bit.


DrugS was right....SS got by the winner...and hung. Even Calvin admitted the horse hung.

GenuineRisk 05-19-2007 05:26 PM

Well, there's always next year.

What a finish, though! Very exciting.

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-19-2007 05:28 PM

great race..toxicoligty report pending..lol.. bo rell blew it..imo

pgardn 05-19-2007 05:31 PM

That was a hell of a race.
About as good as it gets.

Curlin did it the hard way.
No crying, no nothing, the right animal won.

10 pnt move up 05-19-2007 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
great race..toxicoligty report pending..lol.. bo rell blew it..imo

i think this is a silly statement, street sense had another perfect trip, you cant blame anyone for that...........now what the hell was Pino moving so early for?

pmayjr 05-19-2007 05:32 PM

SS's connections made no excuses. They had a clean trip, just weren't good enough today. Hopefully these 2 can stick around long enough to build a rivalry... and I'm not talking about in the breeding shed.

Antitrust32 05-19-2007 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
i think this is a silly statement, street sense had another perfect trip, you cant blame anyone for that...........now what the hell was Pino moving so early for?


why the hell didnt cp west pass hard spun so I would have had a nice tri... oh well still had a good day! Go Curlin and SS!

saucon17 05-19-2007 05:33 PM

Great win by Curlin. I feel really bad for Helen Pitts who developed this great colt:( :(

GPK 05-19-2007 05:37 PM

Calvin never quitting asking...horse hung...plain and simple.

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-19-2007 05:40 PM

yep

Merlinsky 05-19-2007 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pmayjr
SS's connections made no excuses. They had a clean trip, just weren't good enough today.

That's BS. This had nothing to do with Street Sense's quality. Just say his own bad habits beat him but don't go trying to say he didn't have enough talent to win. And clean trip? He had a little issue earlier in the race or did you miss that? Not a huge problem but momentum wasn't unimpeded. As far as the stretch and Curlin, both of them hung but when they hung is what mattered. Curlin did but had time to rebreak when Street Sense went by. SS hung and Curlin didn't go by til it was too late for SS to go again. Not to say Curlin's not a fantastic horse but SS beat himself. Blast.

randallscott35 05-19-2007 05:41 PM

They both ran terrific. End of story. It was a head bob. They are the 2 best 3yr olds. Let's hope they are around for their 5 year old season. A great race to watch.

somerfrost 05-19-2007 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
They both ran terrific. End of story. It was a head bob. They are the 2 best 3yr olds. Let's hope they are around for their 5 year old season. A great race to watch.


Fantastic race, I think it was a fast time as well...did I hear 1:53.1?

Cajungator26 05-19-2007 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
i think this is a silly statement, street sense had another perfect trip, you cant blame anyone for that...........now what the hell was Pino moving so early for?

My question too! What the phuck was he thinking?!!!

XIIPointStables 05-19-2007 05:45 PM

Great race. Great win for Curlin.

Would have rather seen Calvin not turn around in shock in the final jump. God that annoyed me.

Finish.

But take nothing away from Curlin. Passes and then comes back. Just awesome.

MaTH716 05-19-2007 05:45 PM

Great run by Curlin, especially after stumbling after the start. I personally thought he was a toss this race. I give him all the credit in the world. I look foward to watching him race in the future. As far as SS, you can not take anything away from him. He ran very well again. Missed going to Belmont by a nose. Was he moved early? Not sure, but he was beat by a very good horse.

randallscott35 05-19-2007 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
Fantastic race, I think it was a fast time as well...did I hear 1:53.1?

The track was fast for sure, but it was a legit time....Flying First Class going back in Cargo after that race.

Cajungator26 05-19-2007 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
The track was fast for sure, but it was a legit time....Flying First Class going back in Cargo after that race.

Let's not forget Xchanger too. LOL

outofthebox 05-19-2007 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
They both ran terrific. End of story. It was a head bob. They are the 2 best 3yr olds. Let's hope they are around for their 5 year old season. A great race to watch.

Couldn't say it any better. It was a true run race, unlike most Ky Derbies. Hats off to the connections of the top 3 finishers for having there horses ready to run back in 2 weeks. I doubt all 3 will come back for the Belmont, but we'll see.

pmayjr 05-19-2007 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky
That's BS. This had nothing to do with Street Sense's quality. Just say his own bad habits beat him but don't go trying to say he didn't have enough talent to win. And clean trip? He had a little issue earlier in the race or did you miss that? Not a huge problem but momentum wasn't unimpeded. As far as the stretch and Curlin, both of them hung but when they hung is what mattered. Curlin did but had time to rebreak when Street Sense went by. SS hung and Curlin didn't go by til it was too late for SS to go again. Not to say Curlin's not a fantastic horse but SS beat himself. Blast.

First Merlinsky,
You're talkin like a bridge-jumper. Sorry you singled SS on top.

I was just sayin SS wasn't good enough TODAY (go back and read it, it's clearly what it says). 2nd, both Nafzger and Borel in interviews after the races said they had no excuses. 3rd, comin around the final turn neither were blocked and neither were extremely wide. They had clean runs going into the stretch (and down the stretch). Whether SS got lazy or not, he got beat TODAY.

I'm not branding one better than the other for the rest of their careers. Hopefully they both go to Belmont, or run later in the summer for many many re-matches to come. Let's hope greedy ownership doesn't send them to the shed before the BC. Just gimme that for both please...

GenuineRisk 05-19-2007 05:48 PM

The execs at ABC must be piiiiiiiissssed. Especially with the Derby ratings having been up this year to begin with.

somerfrost 05-19-2007 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Let's not forget Xchanger too. LOL


Well Bloodhorse has 22.82, 45.75, 1:09.80, 1:53.20, Thoroughbred Times says 1:53.40...either way a very fast race, equals stake record I think...

Cajungator26 05-19-2007 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
Well Bloodhorse has 22.82, 45.75, 1:09.80, 1:53.20, Thoroughbred Times says 1:53.40...either way a very fast race, equals stake record I think...

Yep, they set a blistering pace.

I'm still smarting over Hard Spun... Pino moved him way too soon... the colt was rating.

pmayjr 05-19-2007 05:51 PM

Another point- Borel was asked if he made his move on SS too early. He didn't IMO. Not that I think it mattered much, but Pino on Hard Spun definately did.

Merlinsky 05-19-2007 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
Well Bloodhorse has 22.82, 45.75, 1:09.80, 1:53.20, Thoroughbred Times says 1:53.40...either way a very fast race, equals stake record I think...

I'm confused now. I mean they said 2/5 so Bloodhorse probably just slapped the .20 up there but was it really .40 even or was there a hundredths change in there? And that means Street Sense effectively almost got it himself and I think would've if he hadn't hung grrrr. He's tied with Louis Quatorze and Tanks Prospect if Curlin got it.

What was Secretariat's "real" time? I thought it was such that he probably would've had it but they won't credit him with the numbers due to the time malfunction.

King Glorious 05-19-2007 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
The track was fast for sure, but it was a legit time....Flying First Class going back in Cargo after that race.

Classic line. Hell, I'd say even that is too good for him. Greyhound anyone?

XIIPointStables 05-19-2007 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cmfhb411
Can't say whether it made a difference.........
but Borel turning his head, to check for Curlin so late in the stretch, doesn't make sense to me.
Excellent race to watch.
I didn't watch the '89 Preakness live. So I have to compare this one to the '97 Preakness finish.
Same top 3 as Derby. Now some people should consider laying off Pletcher, since no one else has a 3yo to crack these three either. :)

Agreed on the head turn. In a head bob race, that could have meant the world.

Wagering wise I would not have had it either way, as I tossed HS. But I keep rewinding the DVR and that turnaround is killing me.

One one hand, a showdown in the Belmont would be a great headliner.

On the other, I'm openly rooting for a Triple Crown Winner.

Curlin was amazing. I think Borel messed up. Thats all I got.

Merlinsky 05-19-2007 06:11 PM

Was this finish the result of Pino moving too soon indirectly? Street Sense got in front sooner than he might've since Hard Spun wasn't still holding on and Curlin had time to catch back up when SS hung but would that've happened had he been behind just a fraz longer?

King Glorious 05-19-2007 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
That's exactly what I saw. Going into the BC Juvenile, I wrote that I was concerned about his ability to finish as in both of his races at 8f or further, he had showd ground lost in the final eighth. In the Arlington race, he was second by a head at the 8th pole and ended up 3rd, beaten 1 3/4 lengths at the wire. The DRF comment says "no winning bid". In the Keeneland race, he had surged to the lead and led by a length at the 8th pole only to flatten out and finish 3rd, beaten 1 3/4 lengths. The DRF comment for that race says "weakened". I didn't expect that explosive late kick in the BC and didn't expect it in the Derby either.

And today, he did it again.

Cajungator26 05-19-2007 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
And today, he did it again.

You're grasping at straws here.

King Glorious 05-19-2007 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
You're grasping at straws here.

How so? Everyone, including his rider is saying he hung today. In both of those 2yo races, he was caught and passed in the lane. This is not taking anything away from the horse or his ability. He's a very good horse. But whether it's a distance thing (hard to argue that since his hanging in the 2yo's was in shorter races and he went on to win the Derby) or it's a mental trait, the fact remains that he's been caught several times from behind when it looks like he's on his way to victory.

Mortimer 05-19-2007 06:24 PM

And if there were no Curlin' everyone wold be saying how great a horsey this truly is.






Stop posting sir.

brockguy 05-19-2007 06:25 PM

superb race.. definitely the best race ive seen this year,... had it all, but one question I must ask, why oh why did Borel have to look around 100 yards out??

King Glorious 05-19-2007 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
King, other than Seattleallstar you probably have one of the worst opinions in terms of horse racing on here. Please stop.

So saying he hung today is a bad opinion when most other people on here are saying the same thing and even his own jockey is saying it? U may or may not care about things I have to say on other subjects but what does that have to do with whether this opinion is right or wrong?


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