1:54 1/5ths
 

That's my stab at what the final time will be.

Anyone else care to stab at it?

55 flat

53 and 2

From the DRF....Curlin, whose final time of 1:53.46 was the fastest in Preakness history, returned $8.80 as the second choice in a field of nine 3-year-olds. The track was labeled fast despite the fact the race was run in a light rain, which began less than an hour before post time.

Nope Louis Quatorze and Tanks Prospect were 1:53.40 so unless that was rounded, it wasn't the fastest. Did they in fact round the hundredths for those two? Don't see why they would've since when LQ got it, surely they'd be stringing it out a decimal to make sure it was a tie.

Flasy Bull and Hesanoldsalt ran 1:47 4/5ths----I settled on 1:54 1/5ths because it's basically an interchange final time with the older male race.

In fact, Curlin and SS each ran about five lengths faster than Flashy Bull.

Although, some figure makers, CJ among them, have long believed that races at 9.5 furlongs at Pimlico always come back faster than they should. That's why both Invasor's Pimlico Special and Bernardini's Preakness figures were both shaved 5 points by Beyer last year, a few days after being originally posted.

Curlin ties Preakness record
 

Think of that stumble out of the gate. He could have owned the record.

http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=39027

And just think if the timer had worked properly in 1973..

the real record holder, Secretariat, what was his time there in '73 ?

Not to mention going 5 wide on the far turn...and SS only lost a head...two superior animals! Equibase chart says...22.83, 45.75, 1:09.80, 1:34.68, 1:53.46, both Curlin and SS ran the third quarter in 22.75, the 4th under 24.00.

Actually, I think the DRF timer had him in 1:53 2/5 also!

"The original teletimer time was 1:55; Pimlico amended it to 1:54 2-5 two days later -- the official time in the Preakness media guide. Daily Racing Form clockers, though, timed Big Red in 1:53 2-5, a time which equals the Preakness record by Tank's Prospect in 1983 and Louis Quatorze in 1996."

The DRF time was 153 and 2 for Secretariat.

Curlin is a monster. When a horse gets passed and then passes back and sets a stakes record -- that my friends, is a performance for the ages. After a stumble out of the gate.

Beyer on Curlin
 

Said Curlin wouldn't hit the top ten in the Derby. Waffled about Curlin in the Preakness.

Curlin ties Preakness record after a stumble and a shoddy ride.

What's Andy got to say?

Jeezuztapdancingchrist, you're a ball buster.

He took a shot and it didn't work out... happens all the time to the best of handicappers.

Curlin is a complete 5 gen out cross; as Secretariat was.

I normally disagree with Beyer, but I have agreed with his assessment of Curlin in both the Derby and Preakness.

Thus, I have been wrong twice also. And to think that I saw his career debut in person......

Im saying like the rest of us, this is neither the first, nor last time he will be wrong.....and that is the only 1/9 bet I would ever take.



This is a tough game....

Haha... I gave you the tri on the thread you started...

Too bad I didn't play anything today. LOL :D

Andy is a great handicapper who has a great opinion much of the time.

He was right to take the position he did, and bet against a horse he picked in the KY Derby.

He just wasn't able to produce the right horse to beat him with--or the right betting startegy on this occasion.

Take nothing away from Curlin and SS--but the track was supersonic fast--he ran five lengths better than Flashy Bull did the race before....and, if you believe that 9.5 furlong races at Pimlico come back faster than 9f races--as more than one respected figure makers do---Curlin and SS were only two or three lengths faster than Flashy Bull.

It was obviously not an otherwordly performance for the ages....the fact that C. P. West was 4th, beaten about 4 or so lengths off memory...that underlines that point. C. P. West has never run a figure faster than 92 in his life, and he's elidigle for N1X allowance races...not having won a race since his August debut at 6 furlongs.

Or got caught up chasing that hot early pace and finished up the track.

I like to see that. It's rare in today's thoroughbred.

What a non-sensical thread.
As if everyone including the very best are not wrong all the time, and as if no one else took the same view the Beyer did.

another very lame cheapshot.

Agreed.

And, I wouldn't want to be in his position of having to publish a figure for this race either.

No matter what he comes back with it---there's a very good case that can be made that he has it wrong.

Beyer made his prediction and gave his reasons. So what if it was one of the 65% of the times he's wrong. Just about everyone picks winners at a 30-35% rate. Doesn't matter which ones they are right on and which ones they are wrong on. As long as u have an opinion and have reasons for it, that's all I care about. U'll win some and u'll lose some but at least have reasons. Maybe when u post your reasons, I'll be able to find an angle that I hadn't thought about.

People on here are so quick to jump on others when they are wrong. It makes u not even want to post your thoughts sometimes. I look at the thread where I picked Curlin as the winner. I've been on the Curlin wagon since the Rebel and said going into the Derby that he was the clear best 3yo in the country. Picked him as the winner today and what was the first thing people jumped on me about? My selection of Flying First Class in the THIRD SPOT. Amazing.

Tough crowd around here my friend....(well at least one or two people anyway)

One guy steadfastly thinks I made just $22 on this race.

Hey a lot of people liked Curlin, but not many had FCC above Street Sense and Hard Spun. Those are the types of picks that stand out in ones mind.

But great job, kudos that you were on the Curlin bandwagon, the morning line favorite for the derby.

I'm not looking for any credit for picking Curlin. I could care less who gives me credit for a winning pick or who gives me grief for a losing one. I don't put anything on here for any validation from any other person on here. But if u want to take your shot at lessening my joy for picking Curlin by noting that he was the morning line favorite for the Derby, u might want to try a different tactic because this one is weak.

Mr. Glorious;


I have given you grief even way back durring my short stay at Thoroughbred Mimes.


You do hold up well under constant attack.


I hope Jim doesn't take this as a back hand against him , because it's not, but I do see what you're saying here.






I admire your resiliency.

If you could care less about who gives you grief for a losing statement, why did you whine below about people jumping on others, and that it makes you not want to post here?

You open yourself to this, you make outrageous predictions and then start to whine if someone brings it up when they are exposed.

I tried to lessen your joy? Shall we use your Jazil rant as an example of how to spread the joy?

you always try to have it both ways.

When u get around to showing me where that post about Jazil criticizes anyone's selection of him, wake me.

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!?









He called Jazil a PIG!!!???




FUCl< YOU GLORIOUS!

Pigs everywhere ought to be offended by being compared to Jazil.

lol

I'd love to own such a 'pig' as Jazil.

Yes....then put Snorious and Drugess in the pig pen .





Swine will scream and demand to be moved.

You know I luv ya Mortimer.

Thoroughbred Mimes? What do they do? Pretend they're in a box stall?

So I read LQ got it in 1:53.43 and Curlin in 1:53.46...assuming that Tanks Prospect also got the .43. We all know Secretariat is the king over all of them in the time even if Pimlico refuses to acknowledge it. At least DRF does. Surprising that they messed up on the 'fastest Preakness' label. Of course many media outlets forget Sham also broke 2 minutes in the Derby and say Monarchos was the 2nd horse to do it...he was only the second winner.

ETA: Heh, looks like I wasn't the only one grumbling about the accuracy of that claim of a record. They've tweaked the comment at DRF.com and Jay Privman's article on the subject now points to the fact that when they measured the race in tenths TP and LQ had the 2/5 assigned to them instead of .43,etc. and Curlin would join them in that regard. Whatever, still not the record. So close though that it's pretty darn impressive. I'm happy for Smart Strike. Got a Classic winner, nice job fella. Bran mash on the house and pass out the cigars, just don't smoke in the stud barn.

You should talk. This is in a nutshell the type of post you are famous for.