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Merlinsky 05-19-2007 03:44 PM

Hockey game is tied (Fallout)
 
You know what that means. Overtime on NBC. Darn thing could run even into double overtime, who knows. What's going on with Preakness coverage?

justindew 05-19-2007 03:51 PM

They are on the air from Pimlico right now, 4:50pm.

Merlinsky 05-19-2007 03:52 PM

This is annoying, not that I'm complaining about extra coverage but if I hadn't looked to check the match's progress, I never would've seen Gary Stevens giving the weather report for the cloudy skies over Pimlico.

zippyneedsawin 05-19-2007 03:57 PM

IF, that's a big if, the game is still in overtime, I bet NBC figures out a way to at least show the race live.

justindew 05-19-2007 03:58 PM

I think they just announced that they are NOT going to show the hockey game. That, my friends, would be astonishing.

pgardn 05-19-2007 04:01 PM

Hockey has now hit a new low.

All the guys with mullets and no teeth are crosschecking innocent bystanders in multiple bars across the Great White North.

Merlinsky 05-19-2007 04:04 PM

I'm stunned, they're actually airing things like they said they would. Not only that, they kinda jumped in a little early (annoying only because I can't watch both at the same time). Wow. Maybe NBC's not as incompetent as I'd come to believe. I wonder who we have to thank. In the past, they've screwed us over so perhaps an epiphany over the awesomeness of horse racing or more likely someone yelled at them.

BillW 05-19-2007 04:05 PM

Hockey game was moved to the Versus network except in the Buffalo area where NBC will continue with the game. Canada need not fear - different network is carrying game up there :D .

31lengths 05-19-2007 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky
I'm stunned, they're actually airing things like they said they would. Not only that, they kinda jumped in a little early (annoying only because I can't watch both at the same time). Wow. Maybe NBC's not as incompetent as I'd come to believe. I wonder who we have to thank. In the past, they've screwed us over so perhaps an epiphany over the awesomeness of horse racing or more likely someone yelled at them.

Yes...it is surprising.
ESPN wouldn't have done that.
Kudos NBC.

justindew 05-19-2007 04:06 PM

Is this a first for horse racing? Normally events like the Little League World Series and various women's tenis matches bump us.

TheSpyder 05-19-2007 04:17 PM

So they go to a commercial and hockey update and miss the 11t race.

Antitrust32 05-19-2007 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpyder
So they go to a commercial and hockey update and miss the 11t race.

who won

TheSpyder 05-19-2007 04:22 PM

Flashy Bull eaked out over Hesanoldsalt

justindew 05-19-2007 04:23 PM

NBC was never going to show that race. They never do. Flashy Bull won.

Merlinsky 05-19-2007 04:24 PM

Ya know the highlight (serious sarcasm) was the 2003 snafu that led my local affiliate to cover the severe weather warning for 5 bloody hours, making us sit with our Derby party in our apartment, angrily crunching on our homemade sesame seed chicken while they talk about a storm that's not even going on in our part of the state. I was yelling at the tv (obviously to no effect) that the people in the area of the storm on the east coast were suffering power outages on such a scale that they couldn't possibly be watching the coverage and they should stop interrupting my Derby. Callous I know but they couldn't even break in to show the blasted race. We had to get a call through to someone's cell phone in Pennsylvania to hear that Funny Cide had won.

Antitrust32 05-19-2007 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew
NBC was never going to show that race. They never do. Flashy Bull won.


great I have my DD going singling Flashy Bull with SS and Curlin. I had a $1 pick 4 that was Chelokee/Einstein/Flashy Bull/SS and Curlin. thats busted but I hope the DD hits. Anyone know the DD will pays?

ArlJim78 05-19-2007 04:32 PM

Of course they wouldn't show the race before the Preakness. Much more interesting to see another interview with Pletcher and Matz. Also a review of the best hats from the derby. they know what the people want to see.

TheSpyder 05-19-2007 04:36 PM

DD Payoffs
 
12.50 and 21.20

Kasept 05-20-2007 09:08 AM

Hockey fans, SI columnist, lament game move to Versus.. I'm a Sabres fan as it happens, and was hoping NBC would do the right thing and start Preakness coverage on the mark... Funny though.. we as racing fans certainly know the feeling pucksters had yesterday..

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ffs.preakness/

justindew 05-20-2007 09:20 AM

It truly does suck for NHL fans, but horse racing fans always get screwed, and the NHL got the nod over the Barbaro special a few weeks back.

Trust me. It's only a matter of time before women's golf and the Little League World Series reduce Travers coverage to 11 minutes.

golfer 05-20-2007 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Hockey fans, SI columnist, lament game move to Versus.. I'm a Sabres fan as it happens, and was hoping NBC would do the right thing and start Preakness coverage on the mark... Funny though.. we as racing fans certainly know the feeling pucksters had yesterday..

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ffs.preakness/

They obviously devised this plan after what happened the last time, but the fact of the matter is, while Buffalo vs Sens was a great matchup from a hockey purist sense, NOBODY cares about those 2 teams (other than the local fans of each). I have been a hockey fan for 30 years, and thought this would be a great series, but even I DIDN'T care.

Zippy Chippy 05-20-2007 10:24 AM

Hockey . . . what to do about hockey . . . I am a hockey fan, I live in "Hockeytown", and the Red Wings are a win or two away from making it to the Stanley Cup finals and guess what? There is hardly ANY buzz about it around here. Nothing, nada, zilch. It's bizarre how little buzz there is right now. I guess if hockey can be this irrelevant in a city that used to be nuts about it and is so close to winning a championship, then the game between the Sabres and the Senators probably means nothing to more than 90% of NBC's audience.

As strange as it may sound, NBC actually made the right decision in cutting away. I'm sure the NHL is livid, but the league and its owners only have themselves to blame. They somehow found a way to make hockey less relevant to the American sports fan.

justindew 05-20-2007 10:51 AM

Let's keep this in perspective. This WAS, afterall, a Triple Crown race. I don't believe for a minute that the hockey game would have been bumped if this was the Suburban or the Donn Handicap. So it's not as if this means horse racing has risen on the totem poll. In fact, if the trends continue, it won't be long before horse racing coverage gets bumped for something else....like poker.

I firmly believe that the reason Fusaichi Pegasus was not 8-5 in the 2000 Derby is because ABC showed the overtime of the Washington Capitals-Pittsburgh Penguins games instead of the Wood Memorial. Most of the country did not see his win.

SentToStud 05-20-2007 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Zippy Chippy
Hockey . . . what to do about hockey . . . I am a hockey fan, I live in "Hockeytown", and the Red Wings are a win or two away from making it to the Stanley Cup finals and guess what? There is hardly ANY buzz about it around here. Nothing, nada, zilch. It's bizarre how little buzz there is right now. I guess if hockey can be this irrelevant in a city that used to be nuts about it and is so close to winning a championship, then the game between the Sabres and the Senators probably means nothing to more than 90% of NBC's audience.

As strange as it may sound, NBC actually made the right decision in cutting away. I'm sure the NHL is livid, but the league and its owners only have themselves to blame. They somehow found a way to make hockey less relevant to the American sports fan.

If you're in Detroit how and missing the buzz, go on down to a game. I came in for a game last week and there was plenty of buzz.

I heard NBC hired Don Cherry to do the finals.

brianwspencer 05-20-2007 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
If you're in Detroit how and missing the buzz, go on down to a game. I came in for a game last week and there was plenty of buzz.

I heard NBC hired Don Cherry to do the finals.

Very little buzz west of the City.

Zippy Chippy 05-20-2007 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
If you're in Detroit how and missing the buzz, go on down to a game. I came in for a game last week and there was plenty of buzz.

It's just noticeably different this year. This city used to literally live-and-die by the fortune of the Red Wings. If they won a playoff game, everybody would be happy and excited. If they lost a playoff game, everybody would be on edge and nervous. And if they were on the brink of elimination, everybody would be downright miserable. The feeling was everywhere. It's definitely different this year.

Cannon Shell 05-20-2007 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Zippy Chippy
It's just noticeably different this year. This city used to literally live-and-die by the fortune of the Red Wings. If they won a playoff game, everybody would be happy and excited. If they lost a playoff game, everybody would be on edge and nervous. And if they were on the brink of elimination, everybody would be downright miserable. The feeling was everywhere. It's definitely different this year.

Hard to believe that there is a sport that has done a worse job than horseracing in marketing their sport but the NHL has done it. I believe that the strike really hurt them as their relevance became marginalized. And in conjunction with that, ESPN's decision to drop all of their hockey coverage with the exception of Barry Melrose (who is probably under contract and they need him to do something) has taken the NHL out of sight and out of mind of the average sports fan. Remember ESPN is the major power broker in sports now and if horseracing wants to be relevant then we have to remain on the network as much as possible. Because when they drop you, then the sports world in general drops you too.

SentToStud 05-21-2007 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Hard to believe that there is a sport that has done a worse job than horseracing in marketing their sport but the NHL has done it. I believe that the strike really hurt them as their relevance became marginalized. And in conjunction with that, ESPN's decision to drop all of their hockey coverage with the exception of Barry Melrose (who is probably under contract and they need him to do something) has taken the NHL out of sight and out of mind of the average sports fan. Remember ESPN is the major power broker in sports now and if horseracing wants to be relevant then we have to remain on the network as much as possible. Because when they drop you, then the sports world in general drops you too.

I believe the VS ratings are up pretty good this year and exceed what ESPN was getting in its final year. I think NBC's coverage this year is the first time hockey has been on network TV in 10+ years.

Hockey will never be the TV sport basketball is, at least in the U.S. In fact, compared to the live experience, hockey is by far the sport that translates most poorly to television. The live gate for the NHL is right there with that of the NBA.

I've heard it said that in every U.S. city there are 20,000 NHL fans and they all have season tickets. Maybe that's true.

golfer 05-21-2007 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Hard to believe that there is a sport that has done a worse job than horseracing in marketing their sport but the NHL has done it. I believe that the strike really hurt them as their relevance became marginalized. And in conjunction with that, ESPN's decision to drop all of their hockey coverage with the exception of Barry Melrose (who is probably under contract and they need him to do something) has taken the NHL out of sight and out of mind of the average sports fan. Remember ESPN is the major power broker in sports now and if horseracing wants to be relevant then we have to remain on the network as much as possible. Because when they drop you, then the sports world in general drops you too.

The NHL began to "die" in the early 90's for one specific reason: The NEUTRAL ZONE TRAP!! (Damn You Jacques Lemaire!) By the late 90's it became unwatchable. The missed season due to the LOCKOUT showed the fans how little the owners/players cared about them, but considering how awful the product had become, they did us all a favor. The new rules are starting to bring it back, but it will be a long journey, and it will never be what it was. One of the reasons, that has not been addressed, is that the players are so much bigger than they used to be, but the size of the rink has remained the same. There just isn't as much room on the ice as there used to be. In the 70', 80's and early 90's, 6 feet, 200 lbs was considered big. Today this guy is too small!

Cannon Shell 05-21-2007 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
I believe the VS ratings are up pretty good this year and exceed what ESPN was getting in its final year. I think NBC's coverage this year is the first time hockey has been on network TV in 10+ years.

Hockey will never be the TV sport basketball is, at least in the U.S. In fact, compared to the live experience, hockey is by far the sport that translates most poorly to television. The live gate for the NHL is right there with that of the NBA.

I've heard it said that in every U.S. city there are 20,000 NHL fans and they all have season tickets. Maybe that's true.

VS is not a widely distributed channel. Fox, I believe has had hockey coverage the last few years. Remember the glowing puck? Hockeys 2 biggest problems with attracting new viewers are 1. It is a bad betting sport and 2. most of the players are foreign. Add to that the fact that most of the south is uninterested and view it as a northern sport and there is virtually no mainstream exposure.

I dont believe that the live gate is anywhere near the NBA's.

philcski 05-21-2007 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
VS is not a widely distributed channel. Fox, I believe has had hockey coverage the last few years. Remember the glowing puck? Hockeys 2 biggest problems with attracting new viewers are 1. It is a bad betting sport and 2. most of the players are foreign. Add to that the fact that most of the south is uninterested and view it as a northern sport and there is virtually no mainstream exposure.

I dont believe that the live gate is anywhere near the NBA's.

Depends on the city, in Buffalo/Western New York the Sabres sell out every game... and the area lost not one but TWO NBA teams in the 60's and 70's due to lack of interest.

On that note, does anyone really care about the NBA?

Cannon Shell 05-21-2007 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Depends on the city, in Buffalo/Western New York the Sabres sell out every game... and the area lost not one but TWO NBA teams in the 60's and 70's due to lack of interest.

On that note, does anyone really care about the NBA?

someone does because they have major TV deals. If the people stop watching , the deals will go away too.

There are very few non-canadian hockey hot spots in the NHL. Bettman is hands down the worst commissioner of any sport, ever.

Cannon Shell 05-21-2007 03:56 PM

Also, I recently read a report that half the teams in the NHL are broke. I used to follow hockey in a big way. But in LA or FL in the winter there is little to no coverage and zero passion. When I come back to KY I can either watch the Blue Jackets or an occasional game on VS, which only recently became available here. It was not that long ago that this was an upcoming sport. No longer.
For those that are not in the Northeast or Wisconsin or Minn, there is almost no one that even knows the playoffs are going on.

Pedigree Ann 05-21-2007 04:00 PM

As a Minnesota-raised person, I find it rather odd that the NHL is still playing in late MAY. It's like baseball games being played in snowstorms; the natural season for the game is long over. After all, icehouses have to be off the lakes by April 1, folks have put away their skates weeks ago, and are getting ready for the city beaches to open on Memorial Day (although nobody over 15 would dream of actually going into the water - too cold!).

golfer 05-21-2007 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Also, I recently read a report that half the teams in the NHL are broke. I used to follow hockey in a big way. But in LA or FL in the winter there is little to no coverage and zero passion. When I come back to KY I can either watch the Blue Jackets or an occasional game on VS, which only recently became available here. It was not that long ago that this was an upcoming sport. No longer.
For those that are not in the Northeast or Wisconsin or Minn, there is almost no one that even knows the playoffs are going on.

One of the reasons many teams are broke, which confirms your assessment of Gary Bettman, was the ridiculous expansion that the NHL did during the time the game was dying due to the neutral zone trap, which was developed to allow less talented teams to be competetive (which was directly due to expansion)... all this ties together!

Cannon Shell 05-21-2007 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by golfer
One of the reasons many teams are broke, which confirms your assessment of Gary Bettman, was the ridiculous expansion that the NHL did during the time the game was dying due to the neutral zone trap, which was developed to allow less talented teams to be competetive (which was directly due to expansion)... all this ties together!

We have the answer!!! Maybe we can be consultants for the NHL. Can't do much worse

Cannon Shell 05-21-2007 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
As a Minnesota-raised person, I find it rather odd that the NHL is still playing in late MAY. It's like baseball games being played in snowstorms; the natural season for the game is long over. After all, icehouses have to be off the lakes by April 1, folks have put away their skates weeks ago, and are getting ready for the city beaches to open on Memorial Day (although nobody over 15 would dream of actually going into the water - too cold!).

Uh Ann....
They are playing the games inside now. They have these big things called zambonis....:cool:

golfer 05-21-2007 04:11 PM

They should have hired John Davidson to be the commisioner, instead of GM of the Blues. I heard him on Sirius a few weeks ago, he succinctly explained the problem with the way referees were dealing with the new rules, for the most part slowing down the game. He used the analogy of cops pulling over speeders going 70 in a 50 zone, which was the way officials used to referee games, today it's like cops pulling over speeders (giving penalties to players) for going 51 in a 50 zone...aka no leniency (moreover, no common sense). The director of officiating, whose name escapes me, was a rotten referee when he was on the ice.

Cannon Shell 05-21-2007 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by golfer
They should have hired John Davidson to be the commisioner, instead of GM of the Blues. I heard him on Sirius a few weeks ago, he succinctly explained the problem with the way referees were dealing with the new rules, for the most part slowing down the game. He used the analogy of cops pulling over speeders going 70 in a 50 zone, which was the way officials used to referee games, today it's like cops pulling over speeders (giving penalties to players) for going 51 in a 50 zone...aka no leniency (moreover, no common sense). The director of officiating, whose name escapes me, was a rotten referee when he was on the ice.

EAT another F'ING DONUT!!!!

Not that guy is it?

golfer 05-21-2007 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
EAT another F'ING DONUT!!!!

Not that guy is it?

That was Jim Shoenfeld to Don Koharski, I believe:)
Shoenfeld coaches the Rangers AHL team, Koharski is still officiating.


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