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Merlinsky 05-18-2007 02:22 PM

Law degrees and horse racing?
 
A horse crazy friend of mine has been accepted into law school but is having pangs. She wants to be involved with Thoroughbred racing, breeding,etc., has been obsessively following it for years now and studying pedigrees. She's really torn about whether waiting three years to get into the industry while suffering through the rigors of law school will be worth it. How useful is a law degree in the sport and what would you say are the most interesting opportunities for someone with a law degree (legal and non-legal)?

Buffymommy 05-18-2007 02:25 PM

Lots and lots of lawsuits are in horseracing.... :)

Seriously, there are lawyers who specialize in equine activities. I will see if I can get more info for you.

Riot 05-18-2007 02:27 PM

Plenty of lawyers here in Lexington, specializing in equine law (externship opportunity for her?) - lots of rewarding potential there, I think.

MisterB 05-18-2007 02:28 PM

If you want to study horse flesh, go to Cornell.

jman5581 05-18-2007 02:37 PM

There are law firms with Equine practice groups... here's one for example..

http://www.skofirm.com/group-equine....0623638858c4da

Riot 05-18-2007 02:44 PM

Tell the horse crazy friend that in three years, she can be a lawyer who wants to get involved in the horse industry; or she can be just another person who wants to get involved in the horse industry.

The three years are going to pass in spite of whatever decision she makes - and three years passes rather quickly, too.

What can she do during those three years to best optimize her chances of developing a marketable skill that will gain her entry, valuable to someone within the industry that would wish to hire her?

Lawyers can still be gallop girls and grooms, if they so choose.

jman5581 05-18-2007 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

Lawyers can still be gallop girls and grooms, if they so choose.


Highly indebted ones... unless law school is free...

Riot 05-18-2007 02:50 PM

Defer, defer, defer that repayment .... :D

Benevolus 05-18-2007 04:42 PM

Best bet would be to go to the University of Louisville of St. Johns at night and work at Churchill Downs or Belmont in the mornings. U of L is literally right next to Churchill Downs. Less than 1 mile.

Experience is everything in the horse business, so if she thinks a law degree will be useful as a stock agent she is wrong. The law degree is something to fall back on, but is completely useless for somebody that wants to get involved in the stock business.

The big equine firms are Stoll and I belive Miller Griffin and Marks.

http://www.kentuckylaw.com/index.php?b=equine_law

Kasept 05-18-2007 07:41 PM

Could also contact Darrell Vienna, the West Coast trainer, who is an attorney and might be able to impart some suggestions..

Cannon Shell 05-18-2007 08:30 PM

Tell her to get her law degree because with the way things are going in the bloodstock business there will be plenty of opportunity for her. Oh by the way studying pedigrees is what the poor bloodstock agents do. The rich ones study people.

paisjpq 05-18-2007 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Tell her to get her law degree because with the way things are going in the bloodstock business there will be plenty of opportunity for her. Oh by the way studying pedigrees is what the poor bloodstock agents do. The rich ones study people.

this might qualify as inside information....and very good info at that.;)

ShadowRoll 05-18-2007 08:43 PM

If I had to do it all over again, I'd go to school for race track management rather than law school (http://uanews.org/cgi-bin/WebObjects...rticleID=10721). And jman's right about the money, and the debt. Besides, the lawyer jokes get a little stale after a while.

ALostTexan 05-18-2007 09:25 PM

You always can do it over again. I am proof. Moved to Tucson last December for the program...

ALostTexan

Cannon Shell 05-18-2007 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadowRoll
If I had to do it all over again, I'd go to school for race track management rather than law school (http://uanews.org/cgi-bin/WebObjects...rticleID=10721). And jman's right about the money, and the debt. Besides, the lawyer jokes get a little stale after a while.

I'll trade you mine for your law degree

Riot 05-18-2007 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Tell her to get her law degree because with the way things are going in the bloodstock business there will be plenty of opportunity for her. Oh by the way studying pedigrees is what the poor bloodstock agents do. The rich ones study people.

As an attorney specializing in equine law, think of the contacts and connections one could make.

Cannon Shell 05-18-2007 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
As an attorney specializing in equine law, think of the contacts and connections one could make.

There are lawsuits lurking around every corner...

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-18-2007 10:34 PM

first asu racetrack program then fsu for sports mgment.. thats what my kid wants...so he can..represent jockeys...lol

jman5581 05-19-2007 12:08 AM

If she's going to go to law school at night she must be willing to limit her derbytrail time to 2 hrs/day at times. That's the only suggestion I have...

cloud_break 05-19-2007 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Tell her to get her law degree because with the way things are going in the bloodstock business there will be plenty of opportunity for her. Oh by the way studying pedigrees is what the poor bloodstock agents do. The rich ones study people.


It is quite possible that truer words have never been written on the subject. I always get a kick out of the minutia some bloodstock people will bring up.

cloud_break 05-19-2007 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky
A horse crazy friend of mine has been accepted into law school but is having pangs. She wants to be involved with Thoroughbred racing, breeding,etc., has been obsessively following it for years now and studying pedigrees. She's really torn about whether waiting three years to get into the industry while suffering through the rigors of law school will be worth it. How useful is a law degree in the sport and what would you say are the most interesting opportunities for someone with a law degree (legal and non-legal)?

FWIW, I have a law degree, and much prefer the horse business. You can look at all the equine practice groups you want, fact is, you're still putting in 60 hrs a week at the office, not the track or farm.

ALostTexan 05-19-2007 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
first asu racetrack program then fsu for sports mgment.. thats what my kid wants...so he can..represent jockeys...lol

No, not ASU, but THE University of Arizona...

ALostTexan

Merlinsky 05-19-2007 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cloud_break
FWIW, I have a law degree, and much prefer the horse business. You can look at all the equine practice groups you want, fact is, you're still putting in 60 hrs a week at the office, not the track or farm.

See I keep hearing that oh a law degree can be really useful and that you don't have to be a lawyer but if you aren't, what can you be?

satan's twin 05-19-2007 01:34 AM

I parlayed my law degree into a wide circle of degenerate friends at Arlington Park who are quite anxious to give bad racing tips in exchange for very mediocre legal advice. Three years of my misspent youth wasted on a degree that could have been better served pursuing a more honorable and nobler profession, like handicapping.

jman5581 05-19-2007 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cloud_break
FWIW, I have a law degree, and much prefer the horse business. You can look at all the equine practice groups you want, fact is, you're still putting in 60 hrs a week at the office, not the track or farm.



I think anyone considering law school should know that this is what most lawyers do. Because they sure don't make that big a deal of it while you're in law school. Although it's not really new news....most lawyers make good money for a reason. It takes smarts and determination. Law school takes determination...just to make a C. :o

todko 05-19-2007 10:49 AM

Gotta be a booming business defending trainers with "false positives" on drug tests. Think of the billing hours on that one . . .

On a more optimistic note . . . it's a huge industry . . . and any huge industry has need for counsel. Opportunities for counsel in buying horses, racetrack liability, insurance . . . you name it. Other barristers may send you work when their wealthy clients wish to embark on a ownership adventure.

Cannon Shell 05-19-2007 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
first asu racetrack program then fsu for sports mgment.. thats what my kid wants...so he can..represent jockeys...lol

he should just go hang out with the panhandlers at the bus station and he will learn all he needs....might even make a buck or 2

Cannon Shell 05-19-2007 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALostTexan
No, not ASU, but THE University of Arizona...

ALostTexan

ASU the school that brought you...........Barry Bonds!!


















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