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hockey2315 05-01-2007 05:17 PM

Justin Dew on ATRAB right now. . .
 
Did anyone call him out on the Hard Spun thing?

ateamstupid 05-01-2007 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
Did anyone call him out on the Hard Spun thing?

I sure as hell hope so.

randallscott35 05-01-2007 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
Did anyone call him out on the Hard Spun thing?

I am not familiar with this. Can you explain?

hockey2315 05-01-2007 05:23 PM

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12523

ateamstupid 05-01-2007 05:24 PM

Dew is commenting on the works he's seen.. Hopefully he's actually seen these ones.

randallscott35 05-01-2007 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

Thank you

Antitrust32 05-01-2007 06:27 PM

no one called him out... i was hoping that it would have happened. It would have made for good radio and he deserved it for blogging that nonsense.

With that said, he was a good guest for 45 minutes today and complemented Steve very well on the air.

They also had on the President of HBO Sports, Ross Greenberg (who JJ kept calling Goldberg unfortunetly)

Bogey 05-01-2007 07:41 PM

I wouldn't put much stock and what J.D. has to say. His claim to fame is that he hit the last two exactas in Derby. For all I know he might be PointGiven 1985. I wouldn't consider him a creditable handicapper after what I read in this post.

Bogey 05-01-2007 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
no one called him out... i was hoping that it would have happened. It would have made for good radio and he deserved it for blogging that nonsense.

With that said, he was a good guest for 45 minutes today and complemented Steve very well on the air.

They also had on the President of HBO Sports, Ross Greenberg (who JJ kept calling Goldberg unfortunetly)



I've worked with JJ since 2004 and he's a personal friend. That's just typical JJ. I'm sure if you asked him tomorrow he might pronounce his name the same. JJ is just a classic.

kenny p 05-01-2007 08:14 PM

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I've worked with JJ since 2004 and he's a personal friend. That's just typical JJ. I'm sure if you asked him tomorrow he might pronounce his name the same. JJ is just a classic.

I love when he says Golfstream.

Bogey 05-01-2007 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kenny p
I love when he says Golfstream.

That's a good one. He's got the best one liners in the game, bar none.

philcski 05-01-2007 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogey
That's a good one. He's got the best one liners in the game, bar none.

He's awesome. Hilarious.

Kasept 05-01-2007 09:21 PM

Justin Dew was on the show at my invitation. What was in his blog was the quote he received from a private clocker and he wrote it as such. How people interpreted the clocker's quote is not his 'fault'. He's a young guy who has worked hard all winter/spring following the Trail for kentuckyderby.com and has done a nice job. He didn't deserve to be villified for how he presented the information, and I was happy to have him on the show to give him the chance to demonstrate his considerable accumen.

He learned a lesson about the dissemination of information, or potentially misinformation, at an event like this. His experience was similar to mine last year when I gave out erroneous info about Showing Up that had been provided to me by a very reliable source. Given the original source of the quote, I can say that people attacking or ridiculing Dew for his eagerness are on the wrong side of the fence. Give him a chance. His judgement was bad in this case. It will be better next time.

Bogey 05-02-2007 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Justin Dew was on the show at my invitation. What was in his blog was the quote he received from a private clocker and he wrote it as such. How people interpreted the clocker's quote is not his 'fault'. He's a young guy who has worked hard all winter/spring following the Trail for kentuckyderby.com and has done a nice job. He didn't deserve to be villified for how he presented the information, and I was happy to have him on the show to give him the chance to demonstrate his considerable accumen.

He learned a lesson about the dissemination of information, or potentially misinformation, at an event like this. His experience was similar to mine last year when I gave out erroneous info about Showing Up that had been provided to me by a very reliable source. Given the original source of the quote, I can say that people attacking or ridiculing Dew for his eagerness are on the wrong side of the fence. Give him a chance. His judgement was bad in this case. It will be better next time.

Steve, the information that he gives out ultimately falls on him. He's has a certain responsibility to disseminate accurate information especially in this game where there are large amounts of money wagered.

I personally missed the segment, so I didn't hear him demonstrate his considerable acumen. There are more impostors in this sport than in any other from Media, Trainers, Jockeys, and more.

Finally, I respect your opinion and if you feel the guy deserves a second chance I'm OK with that.

paisjpq 05-02-2007 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Justin Dew was on the show at my invitation. What was in his blog was the quote he received from a private clocker and he wrote it as such. How people interpreted the clocker's quote is not his 'fault'. He's a young guy who has worked hard all winter/spring following the Trail for kentuckyderby.com and has done a nice job. He didn't deserve to be villified for how he presented the information, and I was happy to have him on the show to give him the chance to demonstrate his considerable accumen.

He learned a lesson about the dissemination of information, or potentially misinformation, at an event like this. His experience was similar to mine last year when I gave out erroneous info about Showing Up that had been provided to me by a very reliable source. Given the original source of the quote, I can say that people attacking or ridiculing Dew for his eagerness are on the wrong side of the fence. Give him a chance. His judgement was bad in this case. It will be better next time.

while all of this may be true...he should still ultimately have to explain his mistake and accept responsibility for what he wrote...it's part of his journalistic integrity no?

Coach Pants 05-02-2007 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
while all of this may be true...he should still ultimately have to explain his mistake and accept responsibility for what he wrote...it's part of his journalistic integrity no?

Bloggers aren't held to the same standards as journalists.

paisjpq 05-02-2007 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Bloggers aren't held to the same standards as journalists.

should be...esp if they want to remain credible with people who may bet $$ based on what they write...that actually makes it worse in a way.

Coach Pants 05-02-2007 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
should be...esp if they want to remain credible with people who may bet $$ based on what they write...that actually makes it worse in a way.

Well he could always get a job with FoxNews if the Churchill blog doesn't pan out.

philcski 05-02-2007 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
should be...esp if they want to remain credible with people who may bet $$ based on what they write...that actually makes it worse in a way.

I agree, especially considering while it's a "blog" it's being reported by KENTUCKYDERBY.COM, which should be a reputable source for news on Derby doings. All he needed to do was quote the clocker and he's providing one person's opinion rather than having it sound like fact.

Kasept 05-02-2007 09:56 AM

This wasn't a question of 'accuracy'.. He did not write as his opinion that the horse was 'stiff and sore.'

He quoted a private clocker's comments saying that, and properly attributed the quote as that of the private clocker.

He wasn't offering the opinion as his own. That difference seems to be going largely ignored by those that have been very rough on him.

slotdirt 05-02-2007 10:02 AM

I guess the question most have then is why was the blog pulled from the site subsequently following questioning of his information?

paisjpq 05-02-2007 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
I guess the question most have then is why was the blog pulled from the site subsequently following questioning of his information?

exactly.

slotdirt 05-02-2007 10:06 AM

Seems like he could have just corrected or clarified the posted information, then carry on business as usual, right?

paisjpq 05-02-2007 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
This wasn't a question of 'accuracy'.. He did not write as his opinion that the horse was 'stiff and sore.'

He quoted a private clocker's comments saying that, and properly attributed the quote as that of the private clocker.

He wasn't offering the opinion as his own. That difference seems to be going largely ignored by those that have been very rough on him.

you may like that guy and have thought he was good on your show...but the fact is he printed erroneous information and should have to answer to that...instead CD and YOU seem more inclined to pretend that nothing ever happened and that he should just have it all go away...

that's bullsh*t....just as YOU learned last year with showing up...if you f*ck up you have to face the music...explain yourself and eat some crow.

Kasept 05-02-2007 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
I guess the question most have then is why was the blog pulled from the site subsequently following questioning of his information?

Press office's decision after Larry Jones heard about it and was upset that the clocker would say that.

Coach Pants 05-02-2007 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Press office's decision after Larry Jones heard about it and was upset that the clocker would say that.

Hilarious.

slotdirt 05-02-2007 10:13 AM

Fair enough.

estreetposse 05-02-2007 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Press office's decision after Larry Jones heard about it and was upset that the clocker would say that.

Can we hang the clocker?:)

Kasept 05-02-2007 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by estreetposse
Can we hang the clocker?:)

There'd be a long, long line of volunteers of the guy in question...

philcski 05-02-2007 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
This wasn't a question of 'accuracy'.. He did not write as his opinion that the horse was 'stiff and sore.'

He quoted a private clocker's comments saying that, and properly attributed the quote as that of the private clocker.

He wasn't offering the opinion as his own. That difference seems to be going largely ignored by those that have been very rough on him.

In the version I saw, the quote was NOT attributed; they may have amended it prior to taking it down. There's nothing wrong with him quoting a clocker if he did attribute it.

Cajungator26 05-02-2007 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
This wasn't a question of 'accuracy'.. He did not write as his opinion that the horse was 'stiff and sore.'

He quoted a private clocker's comments saying that, and properly attributed the quote as that of the private clocker.

He wasn't offering the opinion as his own. That difference seems to be going largely ignored by those that have been very rough on him.

The questioning didn't come from what was said, it came from the fact that he stated that the colt was sore at CHURCHILL DOWNS, when in fact, the work was at Keeneland! Then he states that Curlin however was handling the CD surface great, when Curlin hadn't even worked at CD yet...

When he was questioned about this by people posting comments on his blog, he got nasty... that was unnecessary. He should have corrected his original comment, apologized and moved on... but nope.

blackthroatedwind 05-02-2007 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
There'd be a long, long line of volunteers of the guy in question...


That makes him a brilliant choice then to have quoted about something that extreme.

Cajungator26 05-02-2007 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski
In the version I saw, the quote was NOT attributed; they may have amended it prior to taking it down. There's nothing wrong with him quoting a clocker if he did attribute it.

You're correct... the quote was NOT attributed. I only wish I had copied and pasted the original article.

Linny 05-02-2007 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
I guess the question most have then is why was the blog pulled from the site subsequently following questioning of his information?


My guess, and it's just that, a guess is that KY derby.com prefered that only "happy happy, joy joy, flowers and puppy dog stoies" be posted on the blog. They prefer to see any "negative" stories (who doesn't look good, what trainer seems concerned etc) be dug up and presented by outside talent. They want their "in house" on site guy to tell the happy side of the runup to the Derby. Even though he's a blogger, he's an employee (salaried or contractually) of the Downs and they may feel that they have an image to present.

Citizen 1101 05-02-2007 10:51 AM

I'm sure Justin has learned a valuable lesson. It is doubtful he'll implicitly trust second hand information from less than legitimate sources ever again. He'll probably also learn to fact check before he writes.

By the way, Street Sense didn't look so good this morning working over the track at Ellis Park. At least that's what I've heard.

Cajungator26 05-02-2007 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Citizen 1101
I'm sure Justin has learned a valuable lesson. It is doubtful he'll implicitly trust second hand information from less than legitimate sources ever again. He'll probably also learn to fact check before he writes.

By the way, Street Sense didn't look so good this morning working over the track at Ellis Park. At least that's what I've heard.

Haha :D

I agree on Justin... lesson learned for him.

paisjpq 05-02-2007 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
The questioning didn't come from what was said, it came from the fact that he stated that the colt was sore at CHURCHILL DOWNS, when in fact, the work was at Keeneland! Then he states that Curlin however was handling the CD surface great, when Curlin hadn't even worked at CD yet...

When he was questioned about this by people posting comments on his blog, he got nasty... that was unnecessary. He should have corrected his original comment, apologized and moved on... but nope
.

totally agree

blackthroatedwind 05-02-2007 11:36 AM

He sounds perfect for DerbyTrail.

Cajungator26 05-02-2007 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
He sounds perfect for DerbyTrail.

Good point! Let's all welcome Justin Dew to DT. He'll fit right in.

Coach Pants 05-02-2007 11:40 AM

Well at the very least we know he is a man. Because we never admit a mistake. :D


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