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Scurlogue Champ

04-30-2007 03:18 PM

Street Sense Not For Me....

Is there anyone else who is going to leave him off their tickets on Saturday?

I just don't see him doing much when it is time to do it.

Isn't the gamble whether Nafzger has him primed for this Saturday? I haven't seen anything from him this year that makes him stand out from any others.

A nose victory over an over-rated Pletcher horse who will run 10th in the Derby, and a nose defeat by a rapidly improving animal who was running in his first "big" race.

Is the consensus that he will just improve by 5-10 lengths just because he is back at Churchill where he won the Juvenile?

What has this horse done to separate himself this year? Work out at Churchill last week in .58?

declansharbor

04-30-2007 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moodwalker

Is there anyone else who is going to leave them off their tickets on Saturday?

I just don't see him doing much when it is time to do it.

Isn't the gamble whether Nafzger has him primed for this Saturday? I haven't seen anything from him this year that makes him stand out from any others.

A nose victory over an over-rated Pletcher horse who will run 10th in the Derby, and a nose defeat by a rapidly improving animal who was running in his first "big" race.

Is the consensus that he will just improve by 5-10 lengths just because he is back at Churchill where he won the Juvenile?

What has this horse done to separate himself this year? Work out at Churchill last week in .58?

I simply do not agree with this..Nafzger will have him primed, that really isnt the question..He's a fresh horse.. The TB derby(which he WON) was his first race back since the BC..He finds ways to be there at the wire and I dont see that trend wavering anytime soon..His figures are amongst the best and he's been working like a beast..

Cajungator26

04-30-2007 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moodwalker

What has any other contender done? AGS isn't overrated IMO... leave AGS and SS off your tickets at your own risk.

knickslions2

04-30-2007 03:31 PM

I love Street Sense... He proved he liked this track and doesn't like Keenland. I expect a big race from this one

Scurlogue Champ

04-30-2007 03:34 PM

I don't think he disliked Keeneland.

I think he popped a huge effort in the BC and isn't any better than the rest of the crop.

One impressive victory at two, two preps where he didn't stand out, and a few workouts at churchill and he will be the favorite.

Doesn't add up to me.

I'm leaving him off.

And AGS doesn't have a shot in my opinion.

Circular Quay is the one.

Cajungator26

04-30-2007 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by moodwalker

I couldn't disagree more... CQ is a nice enough colt, but I'm not certain he'll get the kind of pace meltdown he's going to need in order to win. BTW, I believe that Curlin will be the favorite.

slotdirt

04-30-2007 03:38 PM

I don't see how someone can bash Street Sense's 2007 on the one hand then pick a horse who hasn't run since the Fillmore administration to win the race on Saturday.

tycharles01

04-30-2007 03:39 PM

I wont not leave Street Sense off my ticket, damn i wont even have him out of the Top 2

Guys do not leave this horse off your tickets. He ran pretty good and the horse loves CD.

As of this moment my choice for the Winner!!!!

Scurlogue Champ

04-30-2007 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I couldn't disagree more... CQ is a nice enough colt, but I'm not certain he'll get the kind of pace meltdown he's going to need in order to win. BTW, I believe that Curlin will be the favorite.

I'm thinking the pace will be ideal, that is why I am sticking with him.

SS will be a tick lower than Curlin when those prices pop up in my opinion.

People will get off of Curlin this week.

Cajungator26

04-30-2007 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moodwalker

I'm thinking the pace will be ideal, that is why I am sticking with him.

SS will be a tick lower than Curlin when those prices pop up in my opinion.

People will get off of Curlin this week.

The pace will be ideal with horses like Stormello (who've they've been trying to teach to rate) and Cobalt Blue up front? Hmmm... not fast enough for me. I see a War Emblem kind of derby here. Can't fault you for liking CQ, but I sure as hell wouldn't leave AGS or SS off of my tickets.

Scurlogue Champ

04-30-2007 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I don't think Stormello will be alone up there....

Hard Spun, Cowtown Cat, etc... will keep him company and pump and sweat out tough fractions I think

lemoncrush

04-30-2007 04:17 PM

I'm a huge CQ fan, but my head keeps telling me to go with Street Sense. Seeing his work from last week was almost jaw dropping. The horse moves so well, and he'll be sure to handle Churchill well, as usual.

His Tampa effort was brilliant off the layoff (track record), and I'm completely willing to throw out the Bluegrass with those fractions (and he still only lost by a nose).

I just can't seem him running a dud, and that's being objective as possible.

AeWingnut

04-30-2007 04:27 PM

I think Street Sense is an include. I'm a little biased. I bet him in the Juvenile and he doesn't owe me any money. You gotta dance with the one that brung ya mentality.

Really Street Sense is coming into the Derby like he came into the Juvenile. The only difference is Circular Quay and Great Hunter won't complete the trifecta

still waiting for the draw to study the race

but Street Sense is going to absolutely be on my ticket

byalip

04-30-2007 04:29 PM

The fact that Street Sense showed he can throw it down--remember the battle down the lane with AGS--and is one of the few horses with triple digit Beyer's, is training well and looks like a monster according to eyewitnesses... makes him a STRONG and legitimate contender.

tycharles01

04-30-2007 04:35 PM

I got about 7 or 8 horses for 4 spots.

All I can hope is that 1 or 2 of them draw those great 17,18,19,20 spots and make my job a little easier

miraja2

04-30-2007 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by moodwalker

It seems a bit strange to me for you to toss Street Sense if you like CQ. If you think the race is going to have a pace scenario that sets up nicely for CQ, wouldn't that also be a favorable pace scenario for Street Sense?
If you are going deep and betting TRIs and Supers, leaving SS off seems like a poor move to me.
It is at least possible that he is quite simply the best horse in this crop on dirt.

tywizard

04-30-2007 05:07 PM

SS's two impressive victories have been the result of an open rail - with 20 gunning, I'm not going to count on him getting the rail....I liked him until watching the major preps...in my opinion he has benefited from perfect trips that will simply not exist on Saturday...

declansharbor

04-30-2007 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tywizard

SS's two impressive victories have been the result of an open rail - with 20 gunning, I'm not going to count on him getting the rail....I liked him until watching the major preps...in my opinion he has benefited from perfect trips that will simply not exist on Saturday...

In which way was the Bluegrass a perfect trip?? And the only reason the rail was open in the TB derby was because he outran the other midpack horses to get a clean crack at it.. I dont think he needs the rail anyways, we will find out saturday

Scurlogue Champ

04-30-2007 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor

I don't think the Bluegrass was a "perfect trip." But I do think that he was clear and outside with plenty of time to assert himself as the cream of the crop.

.......He didn't.

miraja2

04-30-2007 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tywizard

You might be right about this. Maybe he does "need" the rail. At this point though, he is too scary for me to leave off, because he also might NOT be a "need-the-rail" type.

tywizard

04-30-2007 05:14 PM

Sorry - I was not talking about the Bluegrass as he did not win, get the rail or have a perfect trip....

declansharbor

04-30-2007 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moodwalker

I don't think the Bluegrass was a "perfect trip." But I do think that he was clear and outside with plenty of time to assert himself as the cream of the crop.

.......He didn't.

That race is a total TOSS because of the setup..

Scurlogue Champ

04-30-2007 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2

I don't think Street Sense is the same type of horse as Circular Quay. I don't think he gets the rail and I don't think he finishes if he is put in a position to win on Saturday.

The pace setup will be good, and Circular Quay will eat it up in my opinion. We will see how wrong I am on Saturday though. I might be on here eating crow for hours and laughing at how stupid I was. But I'm not wavering until then. I think Street Sense is a toss.

Scurlogue Champ

04-30-2007 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by declansharbor

That race is a total TOSS because of the setup..

It might be a total toss to you, but not to me. He was even with all others and driving and didn't separate himself or win.

Dominican outran him...

King Glorious

04-30-2007 05:21 PM

I am leaving him off. I just haven't seen from him what I want to see. I wouldn't be totally surprised to have him win and if it does happen, he'll beat me. But u have to take a stand somewhere and I'm taking mine against him.

declansharbor

04-30-2007 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moodwalker

It might be a total toss to you, but not to me. He was even with all others and driving and didn't separate himself or win.

Dominican outran him...

I'm not saying that he is my hosre for the derby..I like DOminican more than I like him, but to leave him off your tickets would be a mistake at this point. IMO.. I'm not trying to dissuade you, as we need the best odds possible on him..

tywizard

04-30-2007 05:32 PM

This is sorta out of line now, but why wont they add blinkers to SS?

estreetposse

04-30-2007 05:33 PM

"But SS wasn't fully cranked in the Bluegrass..." I read this elsewhere, I think its crap, if he wasn't cranked then Borel must have been as he cracked him a dozen times down the stretch...if he was or is the best, he should have overcome any adversity and won. Leave him off all, probably not...but looking elsewhere on top.

ateamstupid

04-30-2007 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tywizard

This is sorta out of line now, but why wont they add blinkers to SS?

Why would they?

todko

04-30-2007 05:55 PM

It's doubtfull he'll be on the top of any of my tickets. Can't see him catching Curlin. He won't get a dream rail trip and he didn't show much in the Bluegrass.

estreetposse

04-30-2007 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I guess I see what you are saying and I don't buy the whole not fully cranked thing either, but in all fairness he lost by a nose. Wasn't like he was disgraced. To me Nafzger is the key here as I have a ton of respect for him as a horseman. He knows what he is doing and is supposedly doing great and training great.

I don't disgrace him or Nafzger, I guess I'm just trying to open up some eyes or widen the tunnel around here.

JDank34

04-30-2007 06:11 PM

does anyone here remember the lanes end breeders futurity? 3 weeks prior to the BC juvy...SS made the lead and then was caught, only to absolutly demolish the rest of his generation in the BC. anyone who thinks a horse is "cranked" every race is insane and has never been around a racehorse. by the way did Unbridled win the Bluegrass? huummmmmm

Coach Pants

04-30-2007 06:13 PM

Throwout the Polycrack races and you've got a mean sob.

ARyan

04-30-2007 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moodwalker

It might be a total toss to you, but not to me. He was even with all others and driving and didn't separate himself or win.

Dominican outran him...

Since when has a nose loss been being outrun? Just curious...

Dominican got him, but I don't think SS was cranked for the Bluegrass. Coming out of a HUGE battle with AGS, why would you want to run him as hard as you can, knowing the Derby is the true goal.

I don't know if he will win, but leaving him off all your tickets isn't a wise choise. SS will be on all my tickets.

Scurlogue Champ

04-30-2007 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARyan

Since when has a nose loss, been being outrun? Just curious...

Dominican was behind him in the stretch on his outside, caught him and beat him to the wire.

He outran him to the finish line of the race.

estreetposse

04-30-2007 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JDank34

Hey JD*nk, did I say every race he was cranked, NO, did I see him get whipped a dozen times down the stretch in the Bluegrass, YES. Is Nafzger Doctor F*@kin' Dolittle and tell his horse but not the jock to run 80-90% while gettin' yer ass whipped...please answer me that without being a jackass about it as I am legitimately curious about it. Prolly not gonna buy the poly was the reason as he was in the best parts of the track for that race.

Scurlogue Champ

04-30-2007 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARyan

Since when has a nose loss been being outrun? Just curious...

A nose loss has "being outrun" since they made the distinction between first and second money.

ateamstupid

04-30-2007 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by estreetposse

Dude, it's about fitness, not the whip. When people say that he wasn't cranked, they don't mean that the horse wasn't trying as hard as he could, they mean that he wasn't as fit as he will be for the Derby. You seem to think that it's impossible to have a horse more fit for one race than for another.

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