Jazil to finally try turf!
 

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Last year's Belmont S. (G1) winner JAZIL (Seeking the Gold) will try turf for the first time in Friday's $200,000 Elkhorn S. (G3), the closing-day feature at Keeneland. The grassy 1 1/2-mile affair has attracted an overflow field of 13, including one also-eligible.

Conditioned by Kiaran McLaughlin, Jazil first burst into prominence with his explosive runner-up effort in last year's Wood Memorial S. (G1). After rallying from last to dead-heat for fourth in the Kentucky Derby (G1), the bay overcame a troubled start to capture the Belmont by 1 1/4 lengths. Jazil was sidelined for the rest of his three-year-old campaign, then returned in January to finish second in an allowance/optional claiming event at Aqueduct. In a similar contest at Gulfstream Park the following month, he was runner-up to the impressive Corinthian (Pulpit).

Sweet Lord, and he's the ML favorite too.

Money burner central on Friday.

I always thought he'd be good at 12F on turf but I that race looks tough. . .

Every year, there are some overrated horses that luck up and catch lightning in a bottle once and then can't ever do anything else........and people will say "I can't wait till they run him on turf." It's worth noting that whether it's on grass or on dirt.........**** will still stink. Whenever Jazil finishes this race, maybe they can scope him and "find" something wrong with him. This is getting more and more embarrassing by the race. Each time this pig steps on the track, he's further disgracing the TC.

churchill downs tomorrow
 

steve,are you going to make picks for churchill tomorrow?

Just another one hit wonder. Did not lift a hoof on the turf. What do you do with him now? Match race against Funny thing?

Java OUT

If I were you I would be sticking to post-race analysis as well.

Oh I think Cobalt Blue should get first crack.


He should need a win desperately by then.

Regarding JAZIL.. Does anyone recall that the horse is running off an injury that sidelined him for an extensive period? Or that it was the same injury that ended Smarty Jones' career? An injury that if left untreated can be fatal to a horse? Or that Shadwell could have simply retired him and sent him to the shed with his desireable pedigree?

All we hear is that 'the big outfits take the 3 year oilds to the farm too early', and when one sticks around, a really likeable one at that, all you hear is snide and denegrating comments when the horse struggles. Pathetic.

Thank you Steve...this is why you are the greatest guy in horseracing. :)

The only thing that stinks is your attitude about horses and racing, as well as your insight. How does Jazil disgrace the TC by stepping on the track? Can you explain that? It was a foregone conclusion before the Belmont last year that there would be no "great" ones coming from that group. Should they have just cancelled the race in advance to avoid the embarrassment?

Who is embarrassed by this? you? please explain what is so embarrassing.

Why must all horses fit your greatness criteria or else be considered "stinking" "pigs"?

So what if Jazil won a classic, but is not on par with others who have done so. You act like they should just retire the horse out of disgrace.

Fine work.

rabble rabble rabble


Pillow OUT

He disgraces it by being a pig. The best races should be won by the best horses. Everyday, non-descript horses shouldn't be winning them. Horses that are eligible for nw1x races shouldn't be winning them. If they are ordinary races and ordinary horses are going to be winning them, let's stop having rules regarding who can run in them. Let's just let anyone enter and the luck of the draw determines who gets in. Then maybe we can have a couple of $15k claimers in there while Street Sense and Circular Quay don't make the draw.

U ask me who is embarrassed by this. I am. U are too. All racing fans should be.

Huh?

Don't feed the trolls...

Your calling him a pig does nothing but embarrass yourself.

What rules did Jazil break by running in the Belmont?
Who was better than Jazil in the Belmont? Was he not the best horse in the field going 12 furlongs? So who should have won that race that would have made it less embarrassing for you?

Don't speak for me, as I am not embarrassed one bit by Jazil. For the life of me I don't know why you would be embarrassed. In fact I am heartened by the fact he is racing still and trying new things like the turf. He is a 4 YO that has started a grand total of 11 times now, yet you act as if he is some over the hill has been, or never was.

The best races are won by the best horses on that day. Who would you like to win the best races? Are there any horses that would please you?

If the entire field is made up of what you call ordinary horses, what are we supposed to do? I'll ask you again, should the Belmont have been canceled last year because they were all ordinary horses? What races have as a condition that in order to be eligible the horse must be extraordinary?

You know this was a simple thread stating that Jazil was trying the turf for the first time, but it appears that you have taken it to mean that "Jazil is one of the greats of the last ten years". You couldn't wait to jump in and denigrate the horse.

See that is the key with Mr. Glorious...when he isn't saving all of us a lot of time in handicapping the Derby (you DO know the winning exacta right?) he is waiting in the wings to put down some horse. It takes a big man to sit behind a keyboard and call a horse a pig.

As you can imagine, his love is spread on the other forum as well...

Noooooooo, not that sooooooong! :p

Pathetic. And it's not Jazil I'm referring to.

--Dunbar

Hossy and yourself are going to be remembered for this.

Extra credit...and plenty of it.

Upset that people talked bad about Duke? U didn't read correctly then. What I said was it was funny how a thread could be put up with the guy talking bad about a human being, a person that I happened to have had contact with and nothing was said to them about how mean spirited it was yet when any word was spoken against Barbaro, they were ready to hang me.

is this the same MFD? frankly i don't know how to take whatever you say.

Why the hate for Jazil?

Let's recount his resume....lost by a half length in a NW1X to Corinthian.....second in the Wood Memorial.....fourth in the Kentucky Derby.....won the Belmont.

Sounds OK to me.

No, he's not a world beater by any stretch of the imagination but he's also a far more accomplished animal than recent Belmont winners Commendable and Sarava. Bringing up that he won the Belmont while eligible for a NW1X is to completely ignore the realities of the current Triple Crown preps. Do I think it's great for racing that conditional allowances have suffered in the " rush-rush " approach with 3YOs nowadays? No, I don't. And I don't think it is overall great for the game and is most likely one of the reasons horses don't stay healthy for long anymore. However, it is what it is, and Jazil, as a racehorse, should not be discredited because of this.

A voice of reason. I think u have discussed horses with me long enough to know where I am coming from with this. This wasn't about Jazil, per se. It could have easily been Sarava or Commendable. It was about the state of the game, as u say, it is what it is. It's about a horse that's not done much of anything of note in his career, other than winning a Classic race, being givin credit for being more. When I hear things about how we should happy he's still in training, it kills me. Why should we be? In a way, I could be doing this same thing while talking about horses like Bernardini, Ghostzapper, Smarty Jones, Discreet Cat, etc. In those cases, I'm guilty myself of some of the same things I'm bothered by with those that talk about Jazil. The way the game is today, we have had to lower our standards so that we can have something to believe in. In reality, even though I call him a great horse, calling Discreet Cat a great horse lessens the accomplishments of the actual real great horses, horses like Bid and Dr Fager and Affirmed. That's how I feel about this situation with Jazil. It's a personal thing but I want to feel like our best races are won by our best horses. When I look back in the history books and see the names of the horses that have won our Kentucky Derby, our Belmont Stakes, our Travers, JCGC, SA Hcp....I want to know those were the best horses we had in those years. Not some horse that just happened to be the best horse that day of a bunch of bad ones.

Maybe everyone else is willing to just accept it the way it is now and be happy about it. Be happy that we are able to see Jazil come back. Be happy to see the 4-5 race "campaigns" that make up the seasons for top horses nowdays. Like I said, I'm guilty of it myself to an extent. So I guess if people want to be happy with this stuff, that's their right. I want better. I want the game to be better than this.

Question for anyone that knows the answer.

After the race, McLaughlin shrugged his shoulders. "Well, that didn't work," he said. "We know the rest of the year now he'll run in dirt races. It's too bad he had to try the turf for the first time on that kind of a course."

My question is if McLaughlin thought it was the soft turf that was the problem, why is he giving up on grass racing now? Wouldn't it stand to reason that he might want to try running on a firm turf course before giving up on it?

Okay but here is my problem with what you say here. Are there actually many people that do claim "greatness" for Jazil? I don't think so. Doesn't it make sense to be happy he is back simply because he is a halfway decent older router? The sport needs as many of these as it can get right now.
You seem to set up only two ways of classifying a horse. They are either "great" or they are a "pig." Is that fair? If Jazil is a "pig" what word would you use to describe horses like Bluegrass Cat that he beat in the Belmont? What word would you use to describe a $15,000 claimer? If you follow your logic it would seem like 1 out of every 10,000 horses would be great and the other 9,999 would all be pigs. That is a bit simplistic isn't it?
It all just seems strange to me, because it seems like you are saying that if he finished second in the Belmont you wouldn't care about him at all......but since he won it, you feel the need to bash him.

First you imply that you aren't willing to just accept the way it is now,
then you say you're guilty of it to an extent. So how are you different than anyone else? huh?

If this whole bashing of Jazil and calling him a pig is your way of lamenting that racing was so much better in the past, why didn't you just say that in the beginning?

Do you think you are some sharpy who has observed racings slide and that no one else has noticed and just accepts it unknowingly? No one on here is totally happy with the state of racing today. You question why people accept this, as if there is an alternative. What do you suggest we do?

So you are not happy, embarrassed, and don't accept what racing has become. So what? What are YOU doing about it besides running around screaming that certain horses are pigs?

I wish that racing was on the level it was when I first came to know about it decades ago, but I am not running around miserable each day, pouting and pointing fingers. I'm too busy enjoying what we have which includes all types of horses, even those like Jazil.

i'd say that calling this horse a pig would be as accurate as calling him great. funny that someone complains about one end of the spectrum, and then runs all the way to the other.
yeah, i'm happy to see jazil still running. he's the only one of the three classic winners from last year left. does it mean i think he's hoy material? no. but i don't think he's a pig either. he's coming back from injury, extensive layoff, and excels at longer distances-he may never do the first, the second shouldn't be a problem, and the third is hard to find anymore. it's only april, still plenty of season left for them to find his stride, his niche.

The full quote I found in Bloodhorse;
“It’s a shame that his first time on turf, the turf was yielding and since it was the last day of the meet it was pretty chewed up,” said trainer Kiarin McLaughlin. “But he just didn’t run well. This was an experiment. If he’d liked it, it would have given us more options. But we’ll probably go back to the dirt.”

If I had to guess, I would say that he called it a shame about the turf condition knowing that Jazil probably only was going to get one shot on it, and with that one shot he must show a real affinity for the surface, and that if he had his preference he would have preferred that this one shot come on a firm course because it probably would be more to Jazils liking.

Notice that he said that we'll "probably" go back to dirt. To me that doesn't mean that another turf try is totally ruled out.

Of course if McLaughlin had the benefit of your keen insights, he would know that he has a fraud on his hands, a pig, and would immediately just give up on the horse and apologize for wasting everyones time.

Where exactly are the people calling Jazil great? I don't think I've ever seen anyone describe him as great on either forum. The closest I can even think of is that maybe someone said he ran great in the Belmont but that is a typical phrase thrown around regularly. I've never heard Jazil referred to as a great horse. That is why I don't understand the bashing of him.

I must have missed King Glorious' eclipse award.

It was stolen by Phipps and McGaughey. Everyone know that.