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GPK 04-23-2007 07:53 PM

Jockeys/Best timing..inner clock.
 
Prado seems money to me, especially on the grass.He can win leading...just off the pace..or from further back.

Leparoux seems to have a great sense of timing when coming with a deep closer and always seems to get there in time. But I hardly ever see him winning from leading or from just off the lead.

I also think Rene Douglas had a great sense of timing on the grass too.


Who do you guys think?

golfer 04-23-2007 08:00 PM

No Martin Escobar or Alfredo X Clemente?

GPK 04-23-2007 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by golfer
No Martin Escobar or Alfredo X Clemente?


No..and I am working on getting down to jock weight so I can pick up a few mounts at Tampa next year. Some of the rides I have seen are dispicable to say the least.

golfer 04-23-2007 08:05 PM

You expected better?:p

Sightseek 04-23-2007 08:07 PM

Maybe it's all those lovely Juddmonte mounts ;) but Flores seems to know just what he needs and when from his horses.

GPK 04-23-2007 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Good question. My opinion is a bit different on Leparoux. I think he's a good jock, but I see him running second a lot with close finishes. At least it seems that way when I bet him. Gomez, love him or hate him is IMO the best finisher we have in this country. On the lead, Johnny V or PVal.


On the lead...dirt races...PVal is the man.

Gomez is another that is good from off the pace...not the best on the lead...IMO

saucon17 04-23-2007 08:15 PM

I always thought out in Cali. that Jose Valdivia gave well timed turf rides.

SentToStud 04-23-2007 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Prado seems money to me, especially on the grass.He can win leading...just off the pace..or from further back.

Leparoux seems to have a great sense of timing when coming with a deep closer and always seems to get there in time. But I hardly ever see him winning from leading or from just off the lead.

I also think Rene Douglas had a great sense of timing on the grass too.


Who do you guys think?

It's hard to separate the top guys. But I think Gomez and Prado have been riding as good as anyone this year.

AS far as the younger jocks,I think Elvis Trujillo and Rajiv Maragh are both looking at good years. They're both just 23 and more than held their own at Gulf. Elvis should dominate Calder this spring.

JDank34 04-23-2007 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
It's hard to separate the top guys. But I think Gomez and Prado have been riding as good as anyone this year.

AS far as the younger jocks,I think Elvis Trujillo and Rajiv Maragh are both looking at good years. They're both just 23 and more than held their own at Gulf. Elvis should dominate Calder this spring.


how???? J.Brigmohan and Manny Cruz are there

saucon17 04-23-2007 08:27 PM

Lately Kent D. had been riding like a person in zone. He's having a fabulous meet at Keeneland and his judge of pace has been great. Then there are times he seems to have no clue on how to ride the horse correctly

SentToStud 04-23-2007 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JDank34
how???? J.Brigmohan and Manny Cruz are there

i'm not a fan of Bridgmohan. He's more Jeff Sanchez than Eddie Castro. He'll win a lot of races, but I just don't think he's very good. Manny is what he is; he's not getting any better. Trujillo is far better than he was this time last year and will be riding first call for several top trainers for the first time. Sometimes things change and I expect Trujillo to lead in stakes and money won. I also expect Maragh will win the Monmouth riding title this year.

saucon17 04-23-2007 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Over Bravo and Lezcano? I like maragh a lot, always seem to get a fighting chance with him, but that's a tough meet to win.

Maragh could be 3rd in the standings with that horrible jockey colony, I think Centeno might be riding this Monmouth meeting

VOL JACK 04-23-2007 08:39 PM

I think Bejarano gets overlooked. He can do it all.

GPK 04-23-2007 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
I think Bejarano gets overlooked. He can do it all.


He is good...but IMO...I think he tends to be a touch overrated...but he is still young.

Scav 04-23-2007 08:48 PM

Javy
Desormeaux
Oswald
Castro

GPK 04-23-2007 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Javy
Desormeaux
Oswald
Castro


you catch the guy one time...and now you love him...:D

saucon17 04-23-2007 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Agreed, and I don't like him as a rider but his nickname is Jersey Joe. Bravo will be tough to pass at that meet.

Agree, He will win the rider title easliy if he doesn't get hurt early in the meet like he
did in 2001, 02, and 05. He will be 1/2 to win that meet

VOL JACK 04-23-2007 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
He is good...but IMO...I think he tends to be a touch overrated...but he is still young.

He gets the leftovers in Sar. and G.P.: He don't have the big name trainer like some others. Although, with Guidry going to Arl. this summer. RB and D. Romans could hook up @ Ch. Downs and stink up the joint.

VOL JACK 04-23-2007 08:54 PM

One thing about R Bej. when he and our man Ch. Simon hook up @ Ken. Downs it is $$$$$$ in the bank!

Scav 04-23-2007 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
you catch the guy one time...and now you love him...:D

I was betting him before you were born

GPK 04-23-2007 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
I was betting him before you were born


considering I got about 7-8 years on you....:rolleyes:

ELA 04-23-2007 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by saucon17
Lately Kent D. had been riding like a person in zone. He's having a fabulous meet at Keeneland and his judge of pace has been great. Then there are times he seems to have no clue on how to ride the horse correctly

That is an excellent point, and it should go to show everyone something. The guy has been riding like a demon at Keeneland -- top notch, lights out. He's been great at the gate, putting horses in a position to win, stalk, off the pace, front end, etc. -- all around, he is riding extremely well.

Now, when the guy comes to Belmont or the Spa, and doesn't ride lights out -- everyone will bad mouth him, think he's a terrible rider, and find the alleged bonehead mistake, judgement call, etc.

I am sure people really believe a guy can go from pretender to contender in one meet.

Eric

ELA 04-23-2007 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Agreed, and I don't like him as a rider but his nickname is Jersey Joe. Bravo will be tough to pass at that meet.

Bravo is extremely tough at Monmouth, maybe tougher than any other jock at any other meet. He knows that track like nobody else does. It's like the horse for course routine, and in this case, it's the jock for course. Over that track, he is extremely sharp. He fits the style of riding at Monmouth very well, like a glove, and the track/style suits him very well also.

Roster wise -- he rides first call for Breen. He also rides for Levine. There are two of your top 3 trainers right there. Walder is not coming back and he moved on from Bravo last year. Orseno will use Bravo. With that kind of lineup, you start off with a big edge. He pretty much gets the first call on who he wants.

Eric

Cannon Shell 04-24-2007 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
One thing about R Bej. when he and our man Ch. Simon hook up @ Ken. Downs it is $$$$$$ in the bank!

The #'s with Leparoux are even better. I think 5 for 6.

the_fat_man 04-24-2007 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Yeah I agree, I should have put that in my post. He tremendous on a closer.

Really, lately I've been noticing that he just loves to be wide.

disappearingdan_akaplaya 04-24-2007 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by saucon17
Lately Kent D. had been riding like a person in zone. He's having a fabulous meet at Keeneland and his judge of pace has been great. Then there are times he seems to have no clue on how to ride the horse correctly



that about sums kent d up, either really good or brutal

Cajungator26 04-24-2007 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
You must have missed the part where most jocks realized the outside was the better place to be in the stretch at Keeneland. In fact I believe a trainer even mentioned he thought this was the case as well. Like I said, love him or hate him, he is probably as good on a closer as we have.

Too bad for him he's not riding on one in the Derby.

2Hot4TV 04-24-2007 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
that about sums kent d up, either really good or brutal

Kent will try to be slick when it isn't nessasary.

Bobby Fischer 04-24-2007 07:22 PM

For timing I like John Velasquez. Especially near the pace.

Prado can time a race, a lot of times he is more likely to give an efficient race rather than try to steal a race with timing.

Nakatani is an aggressive jockey with timing.

Albarado does pretty well in some of these mid level stakes races.

GPK 04-24-2007 07:23 PM

Thanks to everyone for chiming in....love these kind of discussions around here.

Keep the opinions coming...

phystech 04-24-2007 07:52 PM

I love Mario Pino on the grass in MD. I also like it when he gets up on a 2 yr old. At this point in his career, you know he isn't getting up on any babies that are crazy or that don't have a shot.


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