You players that had Tiago, Tell me How.
 

I missed the tri. and super because I did not put this horse Tiago in the top spot of my wagers.What did you see that I didnt in this horse.And please make some good facts for me.God dam,missed a big day.My key horse was King Of Roxy in the race.

can I have that chicks phone number???

GPK, did you nail the $35.40 winner in the 3rd at AQU?

i liked him because i just did i guess, i thought the group as a whole was very very weak and it was a perfect spot for a up and comer to shock them, i thought tiago would be around 10-1 or 15-1 not what he was i was shocked to get those big odds, because of those odds i doubled my bet on him just because of the value i saw in him.

spent all day at work Gus....just catching up on a few replays tonight.

You have that one?

Nope, but I'm placing a wager on the G3 John Connally at Sam Houston. 35MTP

Fort Prado looks to defend.

PG, good work with Tiago.

PP,

With a sprinter like Black Seventeen making his first route start as well as distance-challenged King of the Roxy coming of a sprint and pace-pressers like Level Red and Liquidity in the race, there was every potential for there to be a scenario for a meltdown. And that's exactly what you got.

John Shirreffs TOOK THE BLINKERS OFF Tiago today, as he said earlier this week that he thought he had figured some things out with this curious colt. Blinks off meant he was going to be far more relaxed early in the race and simply come with the one run that is naturally to his liking. As a son of Pleasant Tap, he was sure to like the added distance as well, and all that added up to what you saw today.

A pace meltdown.. natural stretch runner getting a set-up.. ran them all down when everybody else up front completely stopped running... Viola.

I hit the "all" button in pick 3's

still blew the pick 3, Maktub and Romingo Domingo put a fork in it.
only paid $9,118.20

All right Point,I am happy for you that you made money.The reason you bet him is because he was an up and comer to shock them ??? Are you f--king kidding me.Please explain that phrase if you would please.No doubt you got a lot of help on the ride of Mig taking this horse wide,o so WIDE.Good job Mig on King of Roxy you chump.But,please tell me what you saw from this horse to be and up and comer.Maybe Randall can help me on this.

Steve,what has this horse done up to this point to be looked at as a play in this race.Nothing ! Is he really a horse you would key on top ? Or over your top plays ?

you feel bad.. how do you think I feel. I bet the horse the last time out and because of the jockey switch I tossed him.

Mike Smith runs 1000 times and I don't bet him 1000 times and he beats me
once

The next thing people will be telling me is Mike Smith is a great jockey !

PP,

Migliore's ride was terrific on King of the Roxy. He got into a perfect stalking spot right outside the early leaders. Where do you think a horse with natural early speed is going to go from the 8 hole? The horse, who has no interest in 9 furlongs, was beaten a length.

Your issue here isn't King of the Roxy or Mig.. (You keyed them, I assume first and second).. Your problem was you didn't see Tiago as an inclusion..

WTF?!!!

No. I didn't think he was a key horse.. I had him 4th. I liked him as an inclusion because he had shown some talent.. especially in that bizarre race where he was awarded the win.. I respect Shirreffs immensely and had read that he felt he had made some changes with the colt that were going affect him positively.. He is a Pleasant Tap who like added distance and I thought he had a chance to clunk up for third or fourth.

My error was excluding Roxy who couldn't get 9f on a flatbed and having any confidence in one of Hollendorfer's NoCal no-account Derby hopefuls. Cause to Believe.. Eye of the Tiger.. they're all the same. (Except Event of the Year who was a real horse..)

I guess the point is,I could never use Tiago on Top,2nd 3rd or 4th yes.

As far as Mig. giving that horse King of the Roxy a good ride. NO !!!
Way to wide for my liking.Plently of time to settle in and get a better trip then what he got.

one more thing.. what is my girlfriend doing on your avatar?

Look darlin, I told you it was over! LOL

Mike Smith may be a shadow of his former self these days, but he is a Hall of Fame rider and is still capable of well-executed rides. His effort on Boca Grande last year (was it the Matron?) was so stunningly good that I wasn't sure it was actually him. Don't be skewed by blanket judgements about guys like him when they have a chance to win $45,000 in 1:49.0.

Making you think what you did wrong in life ! :D

I knew Mike Smith when he was riding at Arlington Park.I told him one day what I thought of his ride.There were are lot of good ones,and a lot of bad ones.Hall of Fame jockey,ummm,let me think about that one.

Hate to be red-boarding but I threw a $2 WP on Tiago at the OTB (one of 4 bets on that race) and I did it as a lark because I had been hitting with some nice long-shots in other races earlier in the day (Call Me Clash, Reporting for Duty, Themis Valentine)... today seemed like a long-shot kinda day but I didn't think he'd win...

Settle where though? You can't settle with a horse that has natural early speed like that from 8 paths out. He let him 'settle' on the backstretch when he got him to relax. That enabled him to get as close to winning as he did. There are only so many battles you can win in a race. You make tactical decisions that are designed to get your horse as close to the wire "whole" as you can. Mig did that well. Note that he kept going when all the other speed-attending runners had stoped. Again.. he was caught in the shadow of the wire.. beaten less than 2 jumps.

LOL......This is all too hilarious.SON OF A BTCH HAS TALENT........There was no doubt,but he has stopped when he used his speed to make a middle move to the front.He only responded to cross the wire 1st when?... When he was treated EXACTLY LIKE GIACOMO(Smith on,blinks off,and allowed to relax and come late.)Let me explain something about these 2 horses....he and his half bro come from the same odd planet somewhere.They are like quakes....can happen any time,but you can't predict them.What did you call him,Steve? Curious COLT..LOL..

Steve,

D. Wayne Lukas is a hall of fame trainer. I just can't include him either.

I left Mike Smith out on personal prejudice and it cost me. I get burnt once and I remember. I woud have had Tiago if Mike wasn't up.
I'm sure he is a great guy and I don't have any real ill will towards him. If he was walking across the parking lot I would stop and let him buy. :p

btw

Today was a good day to be a Jon Court fan. Jon can never owe me money
:D

Well, I'll be damned if I get beat by the half to Giacomo in the derby if he's in the gate. I don't care how stupid it is, but I'll have $10 to win on him just in case. :o

Million dollar question is,do you think if he found a shorter route around the track he would of won the race.I sure wish SA had Trakus like they have at Keenland to prove how much added ground this horse ran.

I played the horse a bit and would offer

1) it was a very weak race on paper, in that case you really should be against the grain of the betting public (I did use same p though)

2) the pace of the race really screamed meltdown, and the horses who were weak were also part of this pace

3) Tiago worked really really good. In fact I believe it was Smiths idea to remove the blinkers for this race after his work two or three back.

4) anyone who has watches horses knows this horse is a better prospect then his brother, and despite the constant ridicule his brother was ok.

5) he was 30/1 in this race.....should have been around 10/1

I liked the blinkers off move and the improving Beyer's. I used him in the 2nd spot in exactas and in the 2nd & 3rd holes in trifectas. I couldn't see him winning it though. Thought I was cashing big coming into the lane :(

Glad someone looked at the way I did.Saved pennies to lose thousands today,but just my way of capping and betting.:cool:

What!! They didn't have the Dime Super!!:D

i must have saw enough i have been talking about him for 2 weeks, i liked him enough to go $100 wps on him, i liked him enough to put him on my derby list as my #1 sleeper.

You're spending your entire Derby allotment on him?!?!

What about 'Daddy?

He can't.He doesn't know either.

PG: all I can say is Well Done.....great payout for you! :D

Thanks for the memory! That was the G-2 Demoiselle. That was a HOF ride by Smith who squeezed through a narrow opening and came up the rail to win going away. Gutsy horse to race pinned in like that too.

I liked Tiago because:

- He had some trouble in earlier races- ran deceptively better because of the trouble. . .

- Has been improving with every race

- Blinkers off helps horses rate/come from off the pace

- Clearly a race full of pace

- Faves looked very beatable. . .

Shut your trap! You're lucky I didn't text you all of the results yesterday. :p

I'll spend a couple hundred on derby day, as always.

You win any money yesterday?