Nobiz Like Showbiz
 

Yes.....
impressed with sightseeing, seems like he finally put it together.

In spite of the strangle job by Cornelio.

were you impressed ?

Nobiz is a huge talent but its still not finished. He is tugging so hard. I agree with Bailey. Somehow he has got to learn how to relax. Get a good position, and then relax without trying to pull the jockey over his head. This animal is super strong, holy cow.

Good job by the horse. This is what I have been waiting for from this horse. Cornelio did the best he could with the horse. He wont be able to do that with No Biz come Derby day. But blinkers will have that effect on a horse. But he saved ground, pulled him back and had plenty left to leave AGS in the dust and to hold off a charging Sightseek. Good job and congrats.

horse was carrying cornie, pg1985, blinkers, cotton balls, cannon and STILL WON!!



congrats

It was a nice race for him. He's always run reasonably well. His figs are very similar for his entire career. I don't know what to think....I think he's an underlay for the Derby but obviously that doesn't mean he can't win.

lol

Just glad the Pletcher horse didn't win. I have both Nobiz and AGS in my RTTR stable, but went with O'Neill instead of Pletcher for my 'numbers' trainer.

If they were going a mile and a quarter today,Sightseeing would have beat him.:D

Well at least people will be putting alot of cash on him in the Derby.

Corny better get on that horses back more often, he looked terrible on him

Dont think so. The hold would have been tighter. And its questionable even with another furlong if he would have gotten him anyway. Cornelus had him throttled down at the very end.

I think he moves to soon in the Derby for sure. He'll be right off the lead turning for home with a false lead. Everyone will be jumping and yelling for about 3 seconds then the the top 3 finishers will blow by him at the 1/8 pole. Just my thoughts and believe you me I've been wrong before.

Good for you Anny sweetie-poo!!

No I think you got it. The horse has to settle and get comfy. He will be eaten up if he runs like that, no doubt in my mind. But not by Sightseek. Can anybody honestly say they saw a horse in control. I saw a horse pulling to the lead, poor Corny was back in his stirrups trying to hold him back with the good start, and Nobiz never relaxed UNTIL he got tired. The good thing about that run is he kept to task. But he was tired.

i disagree, i will be betting him on derby day i said it along time ago i think this years derby will be chalky.......nobiz,street sense, great hunter and hard spun..... no pletcher horse makes the triple

pletcher will have enough in the field that i wouldn't go out on a limb and say he fails to hit the board. altho he has a full hand, i don't know that he'll win it--i don't like the CQ plan, and altho i understood, and still understand, AGS running back a week earlier in the wood today rather then the bluegrass, long term i don't like the change in his schedule. did he finish third today by choice, or was that all he had left?

The figure probably won't be very fast, and the last eighth was pretty slow. I've been a Nobiz fan since the Champagne, but he's still goofy, and it's concerning in my opinion. What I don't understand is why Tagg doesn't put a full-cup blinker on the horse's right side, because every race, it's the same story: Nobiz hits midstretch and starts gazing at the Grandstand and gets focused too late. The regular blinks aren't going to stop that, and if anything, they're going to make him less relaxed earlier in the race.

I love the colt, but I wasn't terribly impressed by anything from him today other than him gamely holding Sightseeing at bay.

He want to be a front runner, plain to see

He ran 1 1/2 seconds slower than Magna Graduate.

thats fine, i love that.... he was alot more professional today thats all that matters, i dont want to see him run to fast now, i want him to run fast on the first saturday of may.

Andy, what did you think of Any Given Saturday's performance? From a sheets standpoint, he regressed off a 2 pt top in Tampa and only 3 weeks recovery time.

i know im not andy, but there is nothing good about any given saturdays performance he had a fine trip and at the top of the stretch when it was time to run he quit.

I'm not a bounce guy, but.....

To be honest, and I really liked this horse going into today's race, and he was just dreadful, but I would have to say today's result may be a reasonable example of why deviating from laid out plans can blow up in your face. Pletcher had presumably been training him to run next week and now he ran a week earlier than originally planned. I'm no trainer, and maybe Chuck could offer his opinion, but I don't think it's inconceivable that what we saw was a short horse. He has run well in the past, and today's effort was SO bad that I am inclined to think there has to be some story.

Maybe, just maybe that Tampa race wasn't nearly what people thought it was. Next week will tell the tale.

then he may be in for the 0-2-X bounce in the derby

Do you honestly think Any Given Saturday's effort in the Wood was in any way comparable to his effort in the Tampa Bay Derby?

he didn't perform to expectations, but if he has enough graded to get in, then the plan worked--except for the poor showing of course. but at least now he does have an extra week between now and the derby, and we all know how much people love time between races now.:rolleyes:


deviation from the plan is why i'm really starting to shy away from hard spun. they are really seeming to flounder now, over-thinking the situation with that horse.

No, which is my point. Mind you he got about a 1 for that, so Street Sense was nowhere near a negative number for that race...Tin cups down there in Tampa. And I think you will see that when SS runs in the Blue Grass.

Purely speculation but it is entirely possible that he gave him a little extra time after the last race anticipating a 4 week layoff but it would be hard to believe that he could be that short after all the training he's had and having just his eyeballs out run 3 weeks ago.

Dont forget that sheet numbers arent facts they are opinions

This seems like a contradiction to me. You first said maybe the Tampa race wasn't that good....and now you are saying what......it was good and today he was bad or both races were bad?

It has to be one or the other as today's effort by Any Given Saturday was flat out dreadful.

i dont think they should even go to the derby with him, its a fact that he cant be nobiz or street sense he already had his chances vs both, i dont think he's better then a handful of others also, and after todays performance why go to the derby i'd give him time to regroup and point to the preakness.

I don't think the Tampa race was as good as others....Therefore the horses coming out of it, IMO, will put up performances that say it was overrated.

I would love to bet you a serious amount of money that if both horses go Any Given Saturday finishes ahead of Tiago in the Derby.....and I am guessing I'm far from the only one.

he lost by a scant nose to street sense, carried four wide while SS had the rail--lost ground alone would make up the nose difference and then some.
if a horse skipped the derby because he lost in the wood, we would not have genuine risk and secretariat as derby champs! it's a loss, not the end of the world.

i would take that bet in a heartbeat.......
and its not all about today i have never liked any given saturday and i have liked tiago for a while and today's efforts by both only makes me feel stronger about my opinions

OK, so the Tampa Race wasn't a good race. OK....at least now I know what you are saying. I also think what you are saying is wrong. I cannot imagine how anyone could think today's performance by Any Given Saturday was at all comparable to his previous effort.

it's not just the loss, its the way he lost, maybe the street sense race took to much out of him, if they run him back in the derby in 4 weeks they could ruin the horse, it happens every year.

Andy, can you settle the debate on Corinthian vs. Magna Grad in the Corinthian thread? B/c I seem to be the only one thinking the Corin crowd feeling he would beat him "8 out of 10 times" and is a "much better horse" than Magna Graduate are on some serious drugs.