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whodey17 04-05-2007 09:42 AM

Cotton Balls for No Biz
 
Got to like this move by Tagg. Not only does he add blinkers but he is going to put some cotton balls in No Biz's ears. Well at least there were there in his last work. I this is an old trick but I love when trainers reach deep into their bag of tricks to try to find something that works. No Biz is a talented horses. I hope all of this works out for him. I wonder if there is going to be a new equipment change logo for adding/removing cotton balls in the DFR.

POINTGIVEN1985 04-05-2007 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by whodey17
Got to like this move by Tagg. Not only does he add blinkers but he is going to put some cotton balls in No Biz's ears. Well at least there were there in his last work. I this is an old trick but I love when trainers reach deep into their bag of tricks to try to find something that works. No Biz is a talented horses. I hope all of this works out for him. I wonder if there is going to be a new equipment change logo for adding/removing cotton balls in the DFR.

i love this horse, i have loved him since he broke his maiden, im sticking with him after his lose last time out, i think he romps in the wood, i could be wrong i am alot but im putting alot into him on saturday, keying him in the pick 4 and pick 6.

ARyan 04-05-2007 09:47 AM

I really do think NoBiz has the most talent, maybe outside of Street Sense, in this 3 year old crop. I think if the blinks and cotton do the trick, we might be seeing a great strech duel between Biz and Sense in the Derby.

POINTGIVEN1985 04-05-2007 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ARyan
I really do think NoBiz has the most talent, maybe outside of Street Sense, in this 3 year old crop. I think if the blinks and cotton do the trick, we might be seeing a great strech duel between Biz and Sense in the Derby.

i agree i have been on him for so long and im just hoping he puts it all together in the wood.

whodey17 04-05-2007 09:55 AM

I have to agree with the both of you. I will not be wagering this weekend but I do look forward to a nice performance from No Biz. I also look forward to a potential rivalry between SS, No Biz and possibly ANG.

NTamm1215 04-05-2007 10:26 AM

I hate to break up this Nobiz lovefest, but what exactly has he done on the track that makes you believe A) he has such incredible talent and that B) he is not just a headcase who ran away from a couple of bad fields and caught everyone's attention.

On paper he just doesn't compare to Any Given Saturday. Nobiz spun his wheels last time, playing around the whole way and came up short in a race where they weren't exactly flying home. Now Barclay Tagg, usually as traditional a horseman as they come is trying everything but the kitchen sink to straighten out this guy's myriad problems.

If I'm proven wrong then so be it, but as of right now Nobiz has not done anything on the track that leads me to believe he is faster than Any Given Saturday or a few others from this year's crop.

NT

Cajungator26 04-05-2007 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I hate to break up this Nobiz lovefest, but what exactly has he done on the track that makes you believe A) he has such incredible talent and that B) he is not just a headcase who ran away from a couple of bad fields and caught everyone's attention.

On paper he just doesn't compare to Any Given Saturday. Nobiz spun his wheels last time, playing around the whole way and came up short in a race where they weren't exactly flying home. Now Barclay Tagg, usually as traditional a horseman as they come is trying everything but the kitchen sink to straighten out this guy's myriad problems.

If I'm proven wrong then so be it, but as of right now Nobiz has not done anything on the track that leads me to believe he is faster than Any Given Saturday or a few others from this year's crop.

NT

Perhaps you didn't get a chance to watch his sale video. HELLO! LOL

Buffymommy 04-05-2007 10:33 AM

Honestly, I like AGS, but I want to see him run big off of the "fake" dirt. :) But I do like him. If he can take to the real dirt, I think he is a very nice horse.

I do like No Biz too. I believe he is going to be my pick in this race.

paisjpq 04-05-2007 10:37 AM

not trying to knock Nobiz or Barclay Tagg...but in my opinion having to resort to something like earplugs to get a horse to focus isn't quite what I want in my derby horse...there is no crazier day than Churchill on May 6th...talent or no, I wouldn't want my money to rest on a headcase in that scenario. (and before anyone reminds me I know that plenty of headcases have won the derby, I just don't think this one will)

Buffymommy 04-05-2007 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
not trying to knock Nobiz or Barclay Tagg...but in my opinion having to resort to something like earplugs to get a horse to focus isn't quite what I want in my derby horse...there is no crazier day than Churchill on May 6th...talent or no, I wouldn't want my money to rest on a headcase in that scenario. (and before anyone reminds me I know that plenty of headcases have won the derby, I just don't think this one will)


He is going to need some really BIG cotton balls for derby day.

Coach Pants 04-05-2007 10:40 AM

I've loved this horse since the day he opened his little horsie eyes and said, "Hello world, I am No Biz!!"

I feel sorry for his competition. They're going to be so jealous that he has balls in his ears and they don't. What an outstanding, historic day it's going to be when he wins the Wood by over 20 lengths. Whoda thunk that all it took to get this magnificent horse in the winners circle is some comfy balls in the ears to drown out all of the negativity?

Grits 04-05-2007 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
I've loved this horse since the day he opened his little horsie eyes and said, "Hello world, I am No Biz!!"

I feel sorry for his competition. They're going to be so jealous that he has balls in his ears and they don't. What an outstanding, historic day it's going to be when he wins the Wood by over 20 lengths. Whoda thunk that all it took to get this magnificent horse in the winners circle is some comfy balls in the ears to drown out all of the negativity?

LOLOLOL

I wonder if Tagg's gonna add the popsicle sticks or tongue depressors and surgical tape to keep all those cotton balls in place. Like my vet does when dogs have their ears trimmed.

No Biz'll have a hard time pinnin' those boys, if he gets into a stretch duel.

alysheba4 04-05-2007 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Grits
LOLOLOL

I wonder if Tagg's gonna add the popsicle sticks or tongue depressors and surgical tape to keep all those cotton balls in place. Like my vet does when dogs have their ears trimmed.

No Biz'll have a hard time pinnin' those boys, if he gets into a stretch duel.

........ just break out the jack van berg gate dancer ear muffs......gate dancer looked AWESOME with those bad boys on.;)

Buffymommy 04-05-2007 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
AGS ran quite well at Churchill last year and Tampa this year. That's real dirt.

I don't like the tampa track. I know GPK does, but I don't. Not saying he isn't good, just I want more. I always do though. :)

Cajungator26 04-05-2007 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Buffymommy
I don't like the tampa track. I know GPK does, but I don't. Not saying he isn't good, just I want more. I always do though. :)

Out of curiosity, Buffy... why don't you like the Tampa track?

SentToStud 04-05-2007 12:27 PM

First blinkers.

Then cotton balls.

Next news will be the horse will wear those funny plastic teeth.

No thanks at a short price.

Buffymommy 04-05-2007 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Out of curiosity, Buffy... why don't you like the Tampa track?

Seems that horses that run great there tend to only run "great" there. I don't know, just something stuck in my head I guess. He will show me on Saturday if I am wrong about the track.

Benevolus 04-05-2007 12:49 PM

I really just am not sold on Nobiz. He is nice looking but he really hasn't run a fast race yet. In fact his maiden was faster than his last race. He might just not be the great horse people thought he would be. Not to knock Albert the Great, but he isn't exactly producing great horses.

avance2000 04-05-2007 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
I've loved this horse since the day he opened his little horsie eyes and said, "Hello world, I am No Biz!!"

I feel sorry for his competition. They're going to be so jealous that he has balls in his ears and they don't. What an outstanding, historic day it's going to be when he wins the Wood by over 20 lengths. Whoda thunk that all it took to get this magnificent horse in the winners circle is some comfy balls in the ears to drown out all of the negativity?

well ive got you beat there, i still remember the day albert the great climbed up on nightstorm and created noshow like bizshow.
i said to myself: "self, if they give that boy some cotton balls to stick in his ears, he is going to win himself the wood memorial someday."

PPerfectfan 04-05-2007 02:15 PM

Acutally the best thing to put in his ears for the noise is tampons. Tha way there is a string incase they get to far down in the ear.It works for my barrel horses that go crazy in indoor arenas. And alot of ropers use them for there horses at the National Finals. Try having a spooky horse at the NRF in Vegas. If it can work for them its gotta work for NoBiz. The NRF crowd is just about like the Derby crowd.

Cajungator26 04-05-2007 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PPerfectfan
Acutally the best thing to put in his ears for the noise is tampons. Tha way there is a string incase they get to far down in the ear.It works for my barrel horses that go crazy in indoor arenas. And alot of ropers use them for there horses at the National Finals. Try having a spooky horse at the NRF in Vegas. If it can work for them its gotta work for NoBiz. The NRF crowd is just about like the Derby crowd.

I did the same thing with my horse a few times...

Occasionally, the string hanging out can bother a horse with sensitive ears, though.

brianwspencer 04-05-2007 02:27 PM

Any truth to the rumors I've been reading today that Tagg is planning on running Nobiz back in the Excelsior because "everyone knows that a 20 length blowout win does nothing for a horse's foundation?"

ARyan 04-05-2007 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I hate to break up this Nobiz lovefest, but what exactly has he done on the track that makes you believe A) he has such incredible talent and that B) he is not just a headcase who ran away from a couple of bad fields and caught everyone's attention.

On paper he just doesn't compare to Any Given Saturday. Nobiz spun his wheels last time, playing around the whole way and came up short in a race where they weren't exactly flying home. Now Barclay Tagg, usually as traditional a horseman as they come is trying everything but the kitchen sink to straighten out this guy's myriad problems.

If I'm proven wrong then so be it, but as of right now Nobiz has not done anything on the track that leads me to believe he is faster than Any Given Saturday or a few others from this year's crop.

NT

Oh, how I long for the crow to meet you.

Cajungator26 04-05-2007 03:04 PM

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blackthroatedwind 04-05-2007 03:06 PM

I agree with NTamm. Nobiz is a very nice horse, and certainly still on a relatively short list of actual Derby contenders, but so far he has not lived up to the hype, and has yet to run a fast race. How long can we keep blaming his bad habits?

While obviously he can win Saturday, I do not feel he is as good as Any Given Saturday, and I also expect Summer Doldrums to put in a very good effort.

Buffymommy 04-05-2007 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
While obviously he can win Saturday, I do not feel he is as good as Any Given Saturday, and I also expect Summer Doldrums to put in a very good effort.

I think that is your tri right there. Not going to pay much, but I think that is what the tri is going to be.

Cajungator26 04-05-2007 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Buffymommy
I think that is your tri right there. Not going to pay much, but I think that is what the tri is going to be.

Don't forget about Reptilian Smarts. ;)

Buffymommy 04-05-2007 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Don't forget about Reptilian Smarts. ;)

I think a mile and an eigth is too far for him.

NTamm1215 04-05-2007 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ARyan
Oh, how I long for the crow to meet you.

Luckily, I'm not terribly afraid of making a poor prediction when it comes to horse racing- I've actually grown rather accustomed to it. Unfortunately, all of the Nobiz supporters have offered no argument to substantiate why he will beat Any Given Saturday. That, really, is all I was looking for.

NT

brianwspencer 04-05-2007 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Luckily, I'm not terribly afraid of making a poor prediction when it comes to horse racing- I've actually grown rather accustomed to it. Unfortunately, all of the Nobiz supporters have offered no argument to substantiate why he will beat Any Given Saturday. That, really, is all I was looking for.

NT

I'm with you on this one. I don't think it's an outlandish prediction to make as AGS has actual races that we can point to in predicting that he will perform better on Saturday. Nobiz has a few decent races and lots of "potential," well, now potential and q-tips.

NTamm1215 04-05-2007 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I agree with NTamm. Nobiz is a very nice horse, and certainly still on a relatively short list of actual Derby contenders, but so far he has not lived up to the hype, and has yet to run a fast race. How long can we keep blaming his bad habits?

While obviously he can win Saturday, I do not feel he is as good as Any Given Saturday, and I also expect Summer Doldrums to put in a very good effort.

Obviously we see the main contenders the same way, so what I'm wondering is what you think the blinkers will do to Nobiz as far as the pace. Do you think they focus him so much in the early going that he pulls Cornelio all the way up to the lead. I ask because since AGS spent half the Kentucky Jockey Club pulling Bejarano up to the lead he has rated very nicely in his last two, working out great stalking trips. I'm just wondering if a lot of the knowledgeable people here think the blinkers will relax Nobiz a lot or what.

NT

Buffymommy 04-05-2007 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
I'm with you on this one. I don't think it's an outlandish prediction to make as AGS has actual races that we can point to in predicting that he will perform better on Saturday. Nobiz has a few decent races and lots of "potential," well, now potential and q-tips.


Well, he has won at the distance in a decent (not great but decent) time and over the same track. AGS has not run the distance yet.

brianwspencer 04-05-2007 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Buffymommy
Well, he has won at the distance in a decent (not great but decent) time and over the same track. AGS has not run the distance yet.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to be shocked in any way if Nobiz wins, I just would be hesitant given the likely price.

Buffymommy 04-05-2007 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to be shocked in any way if Nobiz wins, I just would be hesitant given the likely price.


Didn't say I was going to bet the race. Just saying that I think NoBiz is going to win. I do think the sleeper in the race is Summer Doldrums.

I won't be shocked if AGS wins though.

easy goer 04-05-2007 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Obviously we see the main contenders the same way, so what I'm wondering is what you think the blinkers will do to Nobiz as far as the pace. Do you think they focus him so much in the early going that he pulls Cornelio all the way up to the lead. I ask because since AGS spent half the Kentucky Jockey Club pulling Bejarano up to the lead he has rated very nicely in his last two, working out great stalking trips. I'm just wondering if a lot of the knowledgeable people here think the blinkers will relax Nobiz a lot or what.

NT

Take a look at the Remsen where Nobiz won. He finished along the rail and did not appear to lug in or out or do anything like that. Could the rail be a guide for him? If so maybe he doesnt need the blinkers on the rail.

What is the general feeling about the inside speed? Do jocks want to be able to see where the other front runners are? WOuld it affect NoBiz not being able to see the others?

pgardn 04-05-2007 03:57 PM

Everyone knows about the bad habits.
I dont give a damn who he is by, Albert the Great not putting out great horses does not have anything to do with what Nobiz has displayed on the track. I watch the animals run. And he is very talented. First he is huge, if he learns, he could flat out pile through a crowd. Secondly he is fast, he puts himself in pretty good position from the start. Thirdly he does not give up. Just look at the last race when he was lugging in. He came on again very hard. Immense talent with some bad habits. Point Given had a lot of problems early on also.

If Tagg straightens him out, he is a perfect Derby horse with his strengths. Crazy to leave this one out at this point, crazy.

whodey17 04-05-2007 07:40 PM

This is a very interesting race. How much did the Tampa Bay Derby take out of AGS. No Biz and hard Spun had difficult races last time out. Maybe neither of them run well and another horses surprises us. There are too many questions in this race for me to wager on. I like No Biz because I like Albert The Great and I like Tagg. I want the horse to do well as with any horse. Blinkers and cotton balls may work once, but who is to say it will work twice or even at all.

XIIPointStables 04-05-2007 08:02 PM

I'm most interested in Summer Doldrums. I've been partial to Rick Violette's since Read the Footnotes grueling win in the FOY a few years back. The day I fell in love with racing.

I hope SD's last race in the Gotham was a one-time things and not a precursor of things to come.

Cajungator26 04-05-2007 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by XIIPointStables
I'm most interested in Summer Doldrums. I've been partial to Rick Violette's since Read the Footnotes grueling win in the FOY a few years back. The day I fell in love with racing.

I hope SD's last race in the Gotham was a one-time things and not a precursor of things to come.

Speaking of Read the Footnotes... I love how his babies are turning out. Very nice looking...


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