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POINTGIVEN1985 04-03-2007 04:02 PM

Keenland opening day...
 
The card looks nice, funny cide is racing in the 8th race it is a Allowance Optional Claiming race it looks to me like it is a very good field and im not even sure if funny cide will be favored, actually i dont think he will be favored he might not even be the second or third choice i could see him being 5-1 vs this group. The 9th is the Grade 3 Transylvania Stakes that also looks to be a good race with some nice three year old turf horses in there. I will also make a prediction.....Julian Leparoux will be the leading rider at this meet.

blackthroatedwind 04-03-2007 04:37 PM

Is it fair to assume that handicapping largess extends to polytrack as well?

deltagulf 04-03-2007 05:31 PM

i think garret gomez will be leading rider.

blackthroatedwind 04-03-2007 07:05 PM

That is some spot Tagg found for Funny Cide's return. It would be nice to at least occasionally see this poor horse in a spot where his best efforts would make him at least competitive. He's still a pretty good horse, even off last year, and making his debut in this spot is baffling to say the least. I'm sure they would have written a race for him in NY.

It's hard for me to blame Tagg for the foolish spots this horse continually races in, as he's just too good a trainer to be this consistently wrong, but whomever is to blame should be ashamed of themselves. How about a confidence booster?

Grits 04-03-2007 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
That is some spot Tagg found for Funny Cide's return. It would be nice to at least occasionally see this poor horse in a spot where his best efforts would make him at least competitive. He's still a pretty good horse, even off last year, and making his debut in this spot is baffling to say the least. I'm sure they would have written a race for him in NY.

It's hard for me to blame Tagg for the foolish spots this horse continually races in, as he's just too good a trainer to be this consistently wrong, but whomever is to blame should be ashamed of themselves. How about a confidence booster?

Sorry, to change the topic here, briefly . . . I'll be brief, promise. Have you learned anymore, while you were away, whether or not your show will be available to non-wagering customers of YouBet, or as you indicated possibly at DRF?

blackthroatedwind 04-03-2007 07:24 PM

I'll find out Thursday.

Grits 04-03-2007 07:27 PM

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I'll find out Thursday.

Thank you.

Hopefully, many will be able to listen, an added benefit to DRFPlus would be nice.

And good luck with the show and the contest!

POINTGIVEN1985 04-03-2007 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
That is some spot Tagg found for Funny Cide's return. It would be nice to at least occasionally see this poor horse in a spot where his best efforts would make him at least competitive. He's still a pretty good horse, even off last year, and making his debut in this spot is baffling to say the least. I'm sure they would have written a race for him in NY.

It's hard for me to blame Tagg for the foolish spots this horse continually races in, as he's just too good a trainer to be this consistently wrong, but whomever is to blame should be ashamed of themselves. How about a confidence booster?

well by reading your post im thinking you think he cant win here, i think he can win if he likes the poly but this is a grade 3 type group and i agree with you very hard spot to return in, off funny cide, i just noticed that time squared is also running on the card, i like this ny bred alot and i think he has to break his maiden in this spot

POINTGIVEN1985 04-03-2007 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by deltagulf
i think garret gomez will be leading rider.

yes he will get his wins, but i like Julian Leparoux and i think biancone will have a big meet so i guess that means Julian Leparoux will to.

blackthroatedwind 04-03-2007 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
well by reading your post im thinking you think he cant win here, i think he can win if he likes the poly but this is a grade 3 type group and i agree with you very hard spot to return in, off funny cide, i just noticed that time squared is also running on the card, i like this ny bred alot and i think he has to break his maiden in this spot


Have you looked at the field the odds on Time Squared is running in or are you just picking the favorite off the cuff? Personally, I can't imagine why ANYBODY would take another short price on this horse, especially with the Polytrack variable thrown in, and surely there are more inviting places for one to invest their money.

blackthroatedwind 04-03-2007 07:32 PM

Grits
 
I just called Youbet and will either have an answer for you later or tomorrow. I will find out DRF specifics tomorrow as well.

POINTGIVEN1985 04-03-2007 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Have you looked at the field the odds on Time Squared is running in or are you just picking the favorite off the cuff? Personally, I can't imagine why ANYBODY would take another short price on this horse, especially with the Polytrack variable thrown in, and surely there are more inviting places for one to invest their money.

no no i dident mean it like that, i just like him and i mean i hope he breaks his maiden in this spot, not from a betting standpoint, i would never bet him at the price he will be, but you would have to say he's the one to beat, wouldnt you ?

POINTGIVEN1985 04-03-2007 07:34 PM

when i said i like this ny bred alot i meant i like him alot, not i like him alot to win, even though you'd have to think he will

blackthroatedwind 04-03-2007 07:36 PM

I'm not sold on Time Squared at all and he may be one of those money burner types. What excuse did he have in his second start? Didn't the post-DQ winner take a tour of the grandstand in midstretch?

blackthroatedwind 04-03-2007 07:36 PM

But, yes I agree with you, he is the " likeliest winner ".

POINTGIVEN1985 04-03-2007 07:37 PM

your right, and i would never bet him, but i would be shocked if he losses, you know what i mean ?

POINTGIVEN1985 04-03-2007 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
But, yes I agree with you, he is the " likeliest winner ".

where do you think funny cide stands against the group he faces ?

blackthroatedwind 04-03-2007 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
your right, and i would never bet him, but i would be shocked if he losses, you know what i mean ?


Shocked?

Don't agree with you there at all. There are other contenders in that race and I am not sold on Time Squared.

blackthroatedwind 04-03-2007 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
where do you think funny cide stands against the group he faces ?


I've only glanced through the race but he seems about 7th or 8th best with a cursory look.

IrishofNDMan 04-03-2007 07:41 PM

what was the name of the horse that came down?? I thinkt he jockey was Olguin or whatever, but can't remember the name.

POINTGIVEN1985 04-03-2007 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
If I remember correctly he was taken very wide coming into the stretch by the horse that came down. Then he shifted in pretty bad on his own midstretch. Then came back to run up the track in the San Rafael or Bob Lewis, whatever race Great hunter won.

i dont think it was the race that great hunter won, but im not sure, i think ravel won it though, he ran in it as a maiden and got pulled up or just ran last

POINTGIVEN1985 04-03-2007 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I've only glanced through the race but he seems about 7th or 8th best with a cursory look.

really, i thought he could win lol

blackthroatedwind 04-03-2007 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
If I remember correctly he was taken very wide coming into the stretch by the horse that came down. Then he shifted in pretty bad on his own midstretch. Then came back to run up the track in the San Rafael or Bob Lewis, whatever race Great hunter won.


Thanks. I'll watch the maiden race again later.

randallscott35 04-03-2007 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
That is some spot Tagg found for Funny Cide's return. It would be nice to at least occasionally see this poor horse in a spot where his best efforts would make him at least competitive. He's still a pretty good horse, even off last year, and making his debut in this spot is baffling to say the least. I'm sure they would have written a race for him in NY.

It's hard for me to blame Tagg for the foolish spots this horse continually races in, as he's just too good a trainer to be this consistently wrong, but whomever is to blame should be ashamed of themselves. How about a confidence booster?

Boy is the bloom ever off the Sackatoga rose?

POINTGIVEN1985 04-03-2007 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Thanks. I'll watch the maiden race again later.

can you tell me the date of that ? i want to watch it but i have no clue when it was

blackthroatedwind 04-03-2007 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
really, i thought he could win lol

Honestly, unless he freaks on polytrack, he has very little chance.

I was very tired of hearing all the BS about Funny Cide, and people claiming he was much better than he was, but now I find myself rooting for him. The poor horse is always in seemingly over his head, and if you look at his pps for last year he performed consistantly well throughout the year. I just wish he was spotted better.

robfla 04-03-2007 07:44 PM

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I'm not sold on Time Squared at all and he may be one of those money burner types. What excuse did he have in his second start? Didn't the post-DQ winner take a tour of the grandstand in midstretch?


Yeah, Spankey Come Home pulled a "Broad Brush" on that race. A VERY oddly run race. To be honest, I just don't see what the hooplah is around this horse. Sure, he should win, but this is the exact type of horse that I play against regularly: an overbet closer. Haven't seen the odds yet, but I can see a few horses in here that will offer pick 3 value as mostly all i play are pick 3's and 4's.

the 4,7,8, and 12 come to mind

blackthroatedwind 04-03-2007 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
can you tell me the date of that ? i want to watch it but i have no clue when it was


January 21st, 6th at Santa Anita.

robfla 04-03-2007 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
can you tell me the date of that ? i want to watch it but i have no clue when it was

21 jan race 6 SA

blackthroatedwind 04-03-2007 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by robfla
Yeah, Spankey Come Home pulled a "Broad Brush" on that race. A VERY oddly run race. To be honest, I just don't see what the hooplah is around this horse. Sure, he should win, but this is the exact type of horse that I play against regularly: an overbet closer. Haven't seen the odds yet, but I can see a few horses in here that will offer pick 3 value as mostly all i play are pick 3's and 4's.

the 4,7,8, and 12 come to mind


I was going to list that same foursome. Plus even the rail may not be hopeless.

Perhaps polytrack is kinder to laggards like this horse but I agree with your general philosphy on this kind of horse.

POINTGIVEN1985 04-03-2007 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
January 21st, 6th at Santa Anita.

thank you, and about funny cide, i think me thinking he can win, is also more of my heart wanting him to win.... alot more then me actually thinking he can get it done, but i trully do belive he could have a few years of solid run in him if they can get his confidence back

blackthroatedwind 04-03-2007 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
thank you, and about funny cide, i think me thinking he can win, is also more of my heart wanting him to win.... alot more then me actually thinking he can get it done, but i trully do belive he could have a few years of solid run in him if they can get his confidence back


Why don't you download the pps and take an actual look at the race before forming any opinion.

POINTGIVEN1985 04-03-2007 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Why don't you download the pps and take an actual look at the race before forming any opinion.

i did look at them earlier, and i thought he was a standout, but i wouldnt bet him.......................... i wouldnt discuss a race without looking

blackthroatedwind 04-03-2007 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
i did look at them earlier, and i thought he was a standout, but i wouldnt bet him.......................... i wouldnt discuss a race without looking


I'm not trying to give you a hard time at all but I just figured since you didn't know the date of Time Squared's maiden race that you didn't have the pps.

POINTGIVEN1985 04-03-2007 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I'm not trying to give you a hard time at all but I just figured since you didn't know the date of Time Squared's maiden race that you didn't have the pps.

i know, im lazy sorry

IrishofNDMan 04-03-2007 07:58 PM

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robfla 04-03-2007 07:58 PM

what about the " Cental Bank " Transylvania Stakes? On sheer numbers Sedgefield lays over, but can he run well on such a short rest? Are they running him too much? The Johanessburg colt seems to be improving. Sheppard's Dynaformer colt ran a decent race, can he improve enough second start? and Corbrador seems to be coming into his own.

POINTGIVEN1985 04-03-2007 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by robfla
what about the " Cental Bank " Transylvania Stakes? On sheer numbers Sedgefield lays over, but can he run well on such a short rest? Are they running him too much? The Johanessburg colt seems to be improving. Sheppard's Dynaformer colt ran a decent race, can he improve enough second start? and Corbrador seems to be coming into his own.

i like shappards horse a little, i dont have a strong opinion on that race yet.


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