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Pedigree Ann 03-31-2007 12:57 PM

Florida Derby?
 
Thoughts? Opinions? Gotta do something else for a while. How about the supporting races?

POINTGIVEN1985 03-31-2007 01:01 PM

i like stormello

ninetoone 03-31-2007 01:04 PM

Chelokee

randallscott35 03-31-2007 01:07 PM

Pass.

Left Bank 03-31-2007 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
i like stormello

If you like Stormello,you should like Notional even more.While Stormello beat Notional in the futurity,Notional came back and won his next two races,and one of them was outside of Cal,which is a big plus.Stormello,like Lava Man,has not won outside of Cal yet.Off the Polytrack,Notional is undefeated,and looks way better on paper than Stormello.He also has some nice 6 fur.works.And this is coming from someone who does not put a lot of credibility in Cal horses.Your minus for Notional is Robby Albarado,who most here want him to burn in hell.:D {see thread}

ALostTexan 03-31-2007 04:15 PM

Wow, BirdBirdistheWord is gettin' no love love today. Right now he is 24-1?

I knew he wouldn't be the favorite, and I don't think he will beat Scat Daddy, but I thought he would get a little more play than that...

ALostTexan

my miss storm cat 03-31-2007 04:17 PM

Wildandcrazy! :cool:

Antitrust32 03-31-2007 04:21 PM

i like stormello also.. adore the gold and chelokee. tri box! didnt bet it

So, I went to Gulfstream, stayed for one race and bolted to watch the FL derby on TV. Let me tell ya, Gulfstream Park SUCKS on big days. Its so crowded you cant get anything accomplished. no more GP for me on Fl Derby day, which makes me sad cause it used to be my favorite big race day :( :( :(

Merlinsky 03-31-2007 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
If you like Stormello,you should like Notional even more.While Stormello beat Notional in the futurity,Notional came back and won his next two races,and one of them was outside of Cal,which is a big plus.Stormello,like Lava Man,has not won outside of Cal yet.Off the Polytrack,Notional is undefeated,and looks way better on paper than Stormello.He also has some nice 6 fur.works.And this is coming from someone who does not put a lot of credibility in Cal horses.Your minus for Notional is Robby Albarado,who most here want him to burn in hell.:D {see thread}

If anybody else buys the Lava Man/Stormello comparison thing and bets accordingly there stands to be a lot of money made by those that know better, yipes. At least you can guess Stormello's got a chance at being in the money when he leaves the West Coast. There's no indication whatsoever that he's got the same problem as LM. Not like he's my favorite horse or anything but gotta stand up for him here. He's more viable out of Cal than Lava Man from my view.

Hickory Hill Hoff 03-31-2007 04:25 PM

ADORE THE GOLD w/
SCAT DADDY, STORMELLO & NOTIONAL

nothing special here.....

POINTGIVEN1985 03-31-2007 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
If you like Stormello,you should like Notional even more.While Stormello beat Notional in the futurity,Notional came back and won his next two races,and one of them was outside of Cal,which is a big plus.Stormello,like Lava Man,has not won outside of Cal yet.Off the Polytrack,Notional is undefeated,and looks way better on paper than Stormello.He also has some nice 6 fur.works.And this is coming from someone who does not put a lot of credibility in Cal horses.Your minus for Notional is Robby Albarado,who most here want him to burn in hell.:D {see thread}

well i dont like notional even more

miraja2 03-31-2007 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
If you like Stormello,you should like Notional even more.

I'm with you on this one Kimmeastar. I like Notional.

Left Bank 03-31-2007 04:31 PM

You know you like Robby:D

ALostTexan 03-31-2007 04:32 PM

Still liking Scat Daddy. He may not win today, but I think he will be somewhere up high on May 5...

ALostTexan

Left Bank 03-31-2007 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2
I'm with you on this one Kimmeastar. I like Notional.

Damn,he ran good but just not enough.

ALostTexan 03-31-2007 04:35 PM

Who's Your Daddy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

miraja2 03-31-2007 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALostTexan
Who's Your Daddy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I take it Scat Daddy won? Who was place/show?

JJP 03-31-2007 04:37 PM

I like Street Sense, Great Hunter and Any Given Saturday even more after this less than stirring rendition of the FLA Derby.

pointman 03-31-2007 04:39 PM

Don't think the Derby winner ran today, Scat Daddy looked good though.

Ruffian2 03-31-2007 04:39 PM

For those of us unlucky enough not to be able to watch the race, WHO THE HELL WON!?!?!?!?!?!?!? 2nd??? 3rd????????

TheSpyder 03-31-2007 04:40 PM

Scat
Notional
Chelokee
Stormello set the pace and wilted

corywah 03-31-2007 04:41 PM

Scat daddy over Notional and chelokee 3rd

Storm Cadet 03-31-2007 04:41 PM

Scat Daddy nice win today:D

ALostTexan 03-31-2007 04:41 PM

Scat Daddy $6.40 $3.40 $2.80
Notional $4.20 $3.00
Chelokee $3.80



$2 Exacta 3-1 $21.40
$2 Trifecta 3-1-6 $148.60
$1 Trifecta Box $74.30
$2 Quad/Superfecta 3-1-6-5 $468.40
$1 Quad/Superfecta Box $234.20
$2 Double 3/3 $10.60
$2 Pick-3 3/3/3 3 of 3 $25.80

Ruffian2 03-31-2007 04:42 PM

Bless you good people for helpin' a girl out! ;)

hoovesupsideyourhead 03-31-2007 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Storm Cadet
Scat Daddy nice win today:D

HES A PIECE OF SHEAT...IM SOO MAD ABOUT THE RIDE..SCAT IS THE BET AGAINST ON THE DERBY....congrats to todd.. but..if guid was on chelockee he wins..domingez sucks

Antitrust32 03-31-2007 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
HES A PIECE OF SHEAT...IM SOO MAD ABOUT THE RIDE..SCAT IS THE BET AGAINST ON THE DERBY....congrats to todd.. but..if guid was on chelockee he wins..domingez sucks


i have to agree... I am not positive if Chelokee would have won but he would have been real close. sucks.. proly wont make the derby now

Danzig 03-31-2007 05:04 PM

stormello should be removed from any derby lists. left alone on the lead, gave it up pretty easy. no way he gets another 8th...

pgardn 03-31-2007 05:35 PM

In my one viewing so far, Notional had no excuses except time between races. Adore the Gold, Stormello and Scat Daddy were the three that ran harder to begin with. Notional sat so pretty in 4th. Had to go wide on the turn home, but with a trip that easy, it was right there for the taking and he could not make it. Dont know if another 5 weeks will help.

Actually Notional sat 5th as I rewatch. No excuses other than he will be ready for the Derby. The trip was so nice for this horse.

pointman 03-31-2007 05:36 PM

It is a bit of stretch to say Chelokee would have won. Stormello had no excuse, the fractions were soft enough for this quality.

Danzig 03-31-2007 05:39 PM

i don't know that chelokee would have won had he had a clear trip...no way i'd say he was the best in the race just because at one point he had to check.
scat daddy seemed to handle everyone ok, which should tell you just how much to depend on any one of these in may.

Storm Cadet 03-31-2007 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
HES A PIECE OF SHEAT...IM SOO MAD ABOUT THE RIDE..SCAT IS THE BET AGAINST ON THE DERBY....congrats to todd.. but..if guid was on chelockee he wins..domingez sucks

Damn Hooves...I'm commenting on todays win only. I'm not saying he's a Derby shoo-in winner...he does have a good future ahead of him in the summer and fall I hope!:)

golfer 03-31-2007 05:42 PM

No offense, but no horse not trained by Todd Pletcher was passing Scat Daddy Today:mad:

Sightseek 03-31-2007 05:51 PM

Scat Daddy is a much better horse than I ever gave him credit for.

miraja2 03-31-2007 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
Scat Daddy is a much better horse than I ever gave him credit for.

That about sums it up for me too. After the Holy Bull, I had pretty much written him off as a contender in the major 3yo races this spring. His last two have demonstrated that I was very wrong.
I still don't anticipate that I will include him in any wagers on Derby day, but I certainly vastly underestimated this horse's ability.

sumitas 03-31-2007 07:03 PM

he impressed in the Sanford was it ? when he dug deep to beat Tueflesberg. i'm not a fan of his breeding effective tho it is, that's for another thread, but he's tough.

Antitrust32 03-31-2007 07:12 PM

never underestimate the best trainer with the best vet...

brianwspencer 03-31-2007 07:18 PM

not sure matz would be crazy about running him again before the derby -- but that $100k from today puts him right on the cusp of the earnings cutoff at this moment.

smuthg 03-31-2007 07:20 PM

replay of the race?
 
anyone know where I can find a replay of the race for free?

ANSWERED MY OWN QUESTION- ESPN.COM has the replay on their horse racing page.

Sightseek 03-31-2007 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brianwspencer
not sure matz would be crazy about running him again before the derby -- but that $100k from today puts him right on the cusp of the earnings cutoff at this moment.

Jack Junior will also be toying with the idea of running in the Derby so that will set him further down the list.


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