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POINTGIVEN1985 03-25-2007 08:57 PM

My plays for tommorw....
 
Have to work all day tommorw so here are my plays for tommorw, assuming they are on the turf at gulfstream....

Gulfstream


Race #3

$25 win and place on #7 Cape Bretton, i love the way jv is riding the turf and i see alot of value betting this guy at 6-1 morning line....

Race #5

$25 win and place on #8 Chief Operator
$15 exacta box #8 Chief Operator and #5 Le Dauphin
$1 superfecta wheel.....8/5,9/1,2,5,6,9/1,2,5,6,9

Race #7
$40 win and place on #6 Runaway Cat, getting a very solid price, i like alot
$10 exacta box #6 Runaway Cat and #7 Brushed Bayou

Race #8

$100 to win on #4 Scorpius, love this guy he already beat the favorite and i think you might actually get the morning line of 2-1 on him

Race #9

$20 win and place on #7 Bailey's Home



good luck everyone

Coach Pants 03-25-2007 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I wish you luck, but I have a question. Didn't you say yesterday that you are done for a few weeks after a rough couple of days?

tomorrw never dies.

ArlJim78 03-25-2007 09:15 PM

hmmm, wagers at the OTB, not online.
Has to work all day tommorw, OTB not open in the morning, how are these wagers getting placed?

Oh! I've got it, works next door to the OTB. Thats got to be it.

Coach Pants 03-25-2007 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
hmmm, wagers at the OTB, not online.
Has to work all day tommorw, OTB not open in the morning, how are these wagers getting placed?

Oh! I've got it, works next door to the OTB. Thats got to be it.

Yeah that's the ticket!

POINTGIVEN1985 03-26-2007 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I wish you luck, but I have a question. Didn't you say yesterday that you are done for a few weeks after a rough couple of days?

yes i did, but i won a 10 player $65 buy in winner take all poker tourny late saturday night, my poker money and horse money are the same, so if im doing good in one i will play the other i was down alot after those couple days but i got it all back plus won about $100 saturday night

POINTGIVEN1985 03-26-2007 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
hmmm, wagers at the OTB, not online.
Has to work all day tommorw, OTB not open in the morning, how are these wagers getting placed?

Oh! I've got it, works next door to the OTB. Thats got to be it.

lol unreal..... phone a bet..... im leaving for work in 21 minutes at 9:15 am .... is that good for you ?

POINTGIVEN1985 03-26-2007 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
hmmm, wagers at the OTB, not online.
Has to work all day tommorw, OTB not open in the morning, how are these wagers getting placed?

Oh! I've got it, works next door to the OTB. Thats got to be it.


o and my phone a bet account is through otb, im sure you have herd of that, and i dont have time all day to be calling these in, so when i bet this way i call all the bets in at one time which today will be 12:15 pm, but good luck to you today arljim78

MisterB 03-26-2007 08:54 AM

What am I doing wrong? I have worked for a company 37 years, and can't afford to lose 500, here and there. What am I doing wrong folks?
I do keep over 300 in my OTB account though, I need the track odds.


ArlJim78 03-26-2007 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB
What am I doing wrong? I have worked for a company 37 years, and can't afford to lose 500, here and there. What am I doing wrong folks?
I do keep over 300 in my OTB account though, I need the track odds.


Mister B, this guy is in another league from most of us. Action is no problem.
He lost heavy over the weekend, no problem, just fire away several hundred more into Gulfstream today using phone wagering. He is only 22 or so but has already got this stuff figured out. Dropping a 500 to 1000 in a week is no issue whatsoever, that's why he has to work today.

ArlJim78 03-26-2007 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
o and my phone a bet account is through otb, im sure you have herd of that, and i dont have time all day to be calling these in, so when i bet this way i call all the bets in at one time which today will be 12:15 pm, but good luck to you today arljim78

you bet that much money all at once, while at work? No concern about the actual odds? You don't care about what the rest of the public thinks? No concern about changes to the track condition, rider changes, how the horses look or behave? How is it that your opinion is so strong on the night before a program, that you can announce 3-4 hundred dollars in wagers that far in advance? If I wager that much I'm not going to pull the trigger until just before the race, and I for sure want to watch the race live.
You are incredible, I wish you would share more of your secrets.

MisterB 03-26-2007 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
Mister B, this guy is in another league from most of us. Action is no problem.
He lost heavy over the weekend, no problem, just fire away several hundred more into Gulfstream today using phone wagering. He is only 22 or so but has already got this stuff figured out. Dropping a 500 to 1000 in a week is no issue whatsoever, that's why he has to work today.

I have a son 22 years old. I had to collar him around the neck awhile back. These kids play Football, Basketball, horses, poker,who else knows what. Have to learn the hardway sometimes. He is healing his wounds. Learning??? I hope so.


ARyan 03-26-2007 11:19 AM

I don't get it.

This guys posts that he busted out of a $65. tourney on Thursday night early. Then goes out and lays down $500. to OTB this weekend, and supposedly wins back a dime or so on a Saturday night Poker tourney. Now is going to go out and blow a few hundred more at Gulfstream today.

Best part of it all, he dosen't have to leave for work till 9:15am.

Something smells very very fishy...

I will give him credit though, he keeps posting his picks for all us to see. At least we can look and take warning...

Coach Pants 03-26-2007 11:25 AM

He could be a trust fund baby. Chances are he's really a test tube baby.

ArlJim78 03-26-2007 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARyan
I don't get it.

This guys posts that he busted out of a $65. tourney on Thursday night early. Then goes out and lays down $500. to OTB this weekend, and supposedly wins back a dime or so on a Saturday night Poker tourney. Now is going to go out and blow a few hundred more at Gulfstream today.

Best part of it all, he dosen't have to leave for work till 9:15am.

Something smells very very fishy...

I will give him credit though, he keeps posting his picks for all us to see. At least we can look and take warning...

Posting picks is fine. The documenting of the wagers though is hilarious, fishy is an understatement. Some of his wagers we found that in order for him to make them he would have virtually needed a time machine, or a teleporter like on Star Trek.

cassie 03-26-2007 11:54 AM

why doesn't this guy take the hint that nobody cares how much he wins or loses and definitely who hes betting on and stop wasting space and time

Cajungator26 03-26-2007 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
Posting picks is fine. The documenting of the wagers though is hilarious, fishy is an understatement. Some of his wagers we found that in order for him to make them he would have virtually needed a time machine, or a teleporter like on Star Trek.


declansharbor 03-26-2007 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

My buddy said he has piloted this thing after he ate a mushroom on nearby Fox Chase farm.lol

pmacdaddy 03-26-2007 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB
What am I doing wrong? I have worked for a company 37 years, and can't afford to lose 500, here and there. What am I doing wrong folks?
I do keep over 300 in my OTB account though, I need the track odds.


Mr. B,

Is that right about OTB Account, regarding Track Prices?

I have a Suffolk OTB account and it was my understanding that you had to make $300 in wagers on a call to get track odds for those wagers.

Thanks,

Pat

SentToStud 03-26-2007 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
He could be a trust fund baby. Chances are he's really a test tube baby.

Another guy who was born on third base yet acts as if he hit a triple.

MisterB 03-26-2007 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmacdaddy
Mr. B,

Is that right about OTB Account, regarding Track Prices?

I have a Suffolk OTB account and it was my understanding that you had to make $300 in wagers on a call to get track odds for those wagers.

Thanks,

Pat

Capital OTB/// if you maintain at least 300 in your account, they give you track odds. You must have 300 in the account though. Nothing under after your bet.

jman5581 03-26-2007 01:38 PM

All I gotta say is...baloney! I know it when I see it.

ARyan 03-26-2007 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SentToStud
Another guy who was born on third base yet acts as if he hit a triple.

What a great saying! Perfect!

TitanSooner 03-26-2007 02:00 PM

$150 pletcher Exacta in the 5th.. don't see that very often

POINTGIVEN1985 03-26-2007 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
you bet that much money all at once, while at work? No concern about the actual odds? You don't care about what the rest of the public thinks? No concern about changes to the track condition, rider changes, how the horses look or behave? How is it that your opinion is so strong on the night before a program, that you can announce 3-4 hundred dollars in wagers that far in advance? If I wager that much I'm not going to pull the trigger until just before the race, and I for sure want to watch the race live.
You are incredible, I wish you would share more of your secrets.

being concerened with what the public thinks has cost me tons of money, i was taught young not to let that influence my betting, sometimes it makes me jump off a horse i like because another horse is taking money so i dont handicap that way i stick with the horse i like regardless of what the odds are and i think i pretty well, i have had 3 bad days in a row now, but it happens and this is easily my worst stretch in over a year...

kenny p 03-26-2007 03:07 PM

In Suffolk County NY if you have over 300 in your account you get track price.The office in Hauppague also pays track prices.

pmacdaddy 03-26-2007 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenny p
In Suffolk County NY if you have over 300 in your account you get track price.The office in Hauppague also pays track prices.


Thanks!!!

Knew about Hauppague, but I was misinformed when I signed up for phone acct. I was told you needed to place $300 per call to get track prices, she even suggested I could bet the entire day's wagers to get to $300.

Who would have guessed this thread would accomplish something productive...

Antitrust32 03-26-2007 05:12 PM

You guys get your panties in a bunch over PG1985 picks and losses. Give the guy a break so what if he loses money its his money and he can do what he wants with it. At least he posts picks. Ya'll have been picking on him enough. give it up

POINTGIVEN1985 03-26-2007 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32
You guys get your panties in a bunch over PG1985 picks and losses. Give the guy a break so what if he loses money its his money and he can do what he wants with it. At least he posts picks. Ya'll have been picking on him enough. give it up

appreciate it, but dont worry about it... i make all the bets i say, and i had another bad day today it happens to everyone, you dont have to defend me, i know i make all the bets i say i make and it dosent bother me if they belive it or not, they dont have to belive me....anyway i got smashed again today, i dident know jv was off the horse in the third, i guess its my own fault for making the bet early, but that wouldnt have mattered anyway it seems like every horse i picked ran really bad

Antitrust32 03-26-2007 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
appreciate it, but dont worry about it... i make all the best i say, and i had another bad day today it happens to everyone, you dont have to defend me i know i make all the bets i say i make and it dosent bother me if they belive it or not, they dont have to belive me....anyway i got smashed again today, i dident know jv was off the horse in the third, i guess its my own fault for making the bet early, but that wouldnt have mattered anyway it seems like every horse i picked ran really bad

Gulfstream is weird. Only sure thing at Gulfstream is Pletcher being in the winners circle. I havent been able to pick winners all meet. The races I bet I lose, but the races I look at and dont bet cause I am fed up with losing, then i pick the winner but dont make any money. But then again I suck at handicapping and I only bet 20-40 dollars per week and spend equal amount on beer at the track. Another angle - beer affects handicapping.

POINTGIVEN1985 03-26-2007 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32
Gulfstream is weird. Only sure thing at Gulfstream is Pletcher being in the winners circle. I havent been able to pick winners all meet. The races I bet I lose, but the races I look at and dont bet cause I am fed up with losing, then i pick the winner but dont make any money. But then again I suck at handicapping and I only bet 20-40 dollars per week and spend equal amount on beer at the track. Another angle - beer affects handicapping.

i was really going to take a few weeks off i was losing to much, but i won a small poker toruny saturday night and figured i'd bet this card, i thought it was a really nice card for a monday and i really felt good about a few things, but it never goes the way you think its going to go..... i only bet this way because i have the money to, its not like i put myself in debt making these bets....... but again thanks..

ArlJim78 03-26-2007 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
being concerened with what the public thinks has cost me tons of money, i was taught young not to let that influence my betting, sometimes it makes me jump off a horse i like because another horse is taking money so i dont handicap that way i stick with the horse i like regardless of what the odds are and i think i pretty well, i have had 3 bad days in a row now, but it happens and this is easily my worst stretch in over a year...

you have no concept of what I meant when I said that you should pay attention to what the public thinks. You picked some selections based upon the fact that you liked the juicy 6:1 morning line. Would you have still bet the horse if it went off at 2:1? If the public likes your horse and pounds it down to lower odds than you are comfortable with, thats when you have to be concerned about what the public thinks.

You were totally shut out today, $394 lost. I would be concerned for you if I really thought you made those plays, but its quite obvious that you didn't.

ArlJim78 03-26-2007 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32
You guys get your panties in a bunch over PG1985 picks and losses. Give the guy a break so what if he loses money its his money and he can do what he wants with it. At least he posts picks. Ya'll have been picking on him enough. give it up

Why are you getting your panties in a bunch if people challenge his betting assertions? He doesn't seem to mind, why do you? None of his claims make sense and anyone that bets the way he does would be ruined in short order. To me its a disservice to just stand by and accept it. A lot of new people come around here looking for advice on betting strategies. They deserve to be able to read an honest interaction amongst the gamblers on here. To stand by and say nothing is not honest.

POINTGIVEN1985 03-26-2007 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
you have no concept of what I meant when I said that you should pay attention to what the public thinks. You picked some selections based upon the fact that you liked the juicy 6:1 morning line. Would you have still bet the horse if it went off at 2:1? If the public likes your horse and pounds it down to lower odds than you are comfortable with, thats when you have to be concerned about what the public thinks.

You were totally shut out today, $394 lost. I would be concerned for you if I really thought you made those plays, but its quite obvious that you didn't.

i did lost $394... im glad you noticed... i also lost $480 between last thursday and saturday.... why is it your business, and why do you continue to question me, i make the bets im feeling the loss, but its not the end of the world i won $650 playing poker saturday night and im fine with what i have lost to the horses....

POINTGIVEN1985 03-26-2007 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
Why are you getting your panties in a bunch if people challenge his betting assertions? He doesn't seem to mind, why do you? None of his claims make sense and anyone that bets the way he does would be ruined in short order. To me its a disservice to just stand by and accept it. A lot of new people come around here looking for advice on betting strategies. They deserve to be able to read an honest interaction amongst the gamblers on here. To stand by and say nothing is not honest.

also why ruined in short order ? do you know my financial situation ? and about my claims making sense, when are you going to drop this, im sure ppl are getting sick of reading you saying thaT, maybe one day i had my times messed up, but i made the bets, also...... you make it like im on here bragging about winning a ton of money, i put all my bets in well before post time and when i lose " which i have done alot latley" i never try backing out of a bet, you make it like im on here saying i bet $500 a race and win a ton of money doing this

Antitrust32 03-26-2007 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
Why are you getting your panties in a bunch if people challenge his betting assertions? He doesn't seem to mind, why do you? None of his claims make sense and anyone that bets the way he does would be ruined in short order. To me its a disservice to just stand by and accept it. A lot of new people come around here looking for advice on betting strategies. They deserve to be able to read an honest interaction amongst the gamblers on here. To stand by and say nothing is not honest.

I think the reason that I get my panties in a bunch is cause I actually believe the guy. I never accuse people until I know for sure and have proof that they are lying, etc. It bothers me when people accuse accuse accuse. PG1985 seems to really follow the horses and I respect that. He does his homework and yes he makes bold claims but those bold claims lead to good discussions. I guess I am just tired of reading 20 posts a day attacking PG1985.

Scav 03-26-2007 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32
I think the reason that I get my panties in a bunch is cause I actually believe the guy. I never accuse people until I know for sure and have proof that they are lying, etc. It bothers me when people accuse accuse accuse. PG1985 seems to really follow the horses and I respect that. He does his homework and yes he makes bold claims but those bold claims lead to good discussions. I guess I am just tired of reading 20 posts a day attacking PG1985.

Anti, please...

dude is 24 year old, he hasn't been alive long enough to understand horse racing, unless you are a mensa like Drugs is.....

Seriously, don't be this gullable. Bold claims is saying Shane Laviolette is a good jockey, not that you are putting $500 on a horse or whatever this clown is doing

Antitrust32 03-26-2007 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Sometimes stuff just doesn't match up. I just found it odd that a day after saying he was done for 2 weeks he was firing away today. Honestly I could care less about what or who he bets. But when you have shown on more than one occasion to not be a man of your word, well than you are going to get challenged.

I cant tell you how many times i have said "I am never drinking again" or "I am not drinking for 2 weeks" and then 2 or 3 days later a friend calls and says hey lets go hang out at the bar... and there I am.

**** that didnt make my life sound good at all...


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