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Kasept 03-19-2007 09:54 AM
Top 20: 3/19 Dispatch Ballot
 
Just sent in this week's Dispatch Derby Poll ballot after a super weekend..

1. Any Given Saturday
2. Street Sense
3. Notional
4. Great Hunter
5. Adore the Gold
6. Circular Quay
7. Nobiz Like Shobiz
8. Hard Spun
9. Ketchikan
10. Cobalt Blue

11. Zanjero
12. Scat Daddy
13. Stormello
14. Ravel
15. Liquidity
16. Curlin
17. Chelokee
18. Birdbirdistheword
19. Sam P.
20. I'mawildandcrazyguy

POINTGIVEN1985 03-20-2007 07:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kasept
Just sent in this week's Dispatch Derby Poll ballot after a super weekend..

1. Any Given Saturday
2. Street Sense
3. Notional
4. Great Hunter
5. Adore the Gold
6. Circular Quay
7. Nobiz Like Shobiz
8. Hard Spun
9. Ketchikan
10. Cobalt Blue

11. Zanjero
12. Scat Daddy
13. Stormello
14. Ravel
15. Liquidity
16. Curlin
17. Chelokee
18. Birdbirdistheword
19. Sam P.
20. I'mawildandcrazyguy
In my opinion cobalt blue and adore the gold are both way to high on the list, and birdbirdistheword does not belong anywhere in the top 20.

hoovesupsideyourhead 03-20-2007 07:41 PM
no 17 if he makes it....:D

randallscott35 03-20-2007 07:44 PM
I'm surprised you think that much of Notional Steve.

Kasept 03-20-2007 08:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by randallscott35
I'm surprised you think that much of Notional Steve.
He's plucky, professional and owns a turn of foot. To do what he did in the Risen Star showed gumption. In what is quickly becoming a group that is going to be tough to seperate, those qualities are 'endearing"...

Quote:
Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
no 17 if he makes it....:D
The wiseguy's wiseguy horse.. Will get one shot at the brass ring. Going to get Matz tomorrow and see where Chelokee stands... Looks like IL Derby will be the place.

Quote:
Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
In my opinion cobalt blue and adore the gold are both way to high on the list, and birdbirdistheword does not belong anywhere in the top 20.
The balloting asks 'who has the best chance to win the Derby' and for starters, Birdbird is ASSURED a spot in it if McPeek wants, and that puts him ahead of many. McPeek loves the horse, says he belongs and I believe him.

Cobalt Blue was seen by Nick Zito as the single most outstanding individual in the SAR yearling sale two years ago and is heartbroken not to have him in his shed.

Adore the Gold is an overachieving sort who is just plain dead game and was actually best in the Fountain of Youth.

Kasept 03-20-2007 08:55 PM
The combined Poll Results...
 
Mine-Overall

Any Given Saturday 1 Street Sense
Street Sense 2 Circular Quay
Notional 3 Any Given Saturday
Great Hunter 4 Great Hunter
Adore the Gold 5 Ravel

Circular Quay 6 Scat Daddy
Nobiz 7 Nobiz Like Shobiz
Hard Spun 8 Notional
Ketchikan 9 Stormello
Cobalt Blue 10 Curlin

Zanjero 11 Adore The Gold
Scat daddy 12 Ketchikan
Stormello 13 Hard Spun
out-Ravel 14 Cobalt Blue
Liquidity 15 Chelokee

Curlin 16 Cowtown Cat
Chelokee 17 Sam P.
Birdbirdistheword 18 Liquidity
Sam P. 19 Zanjero
I'mawildandcrazyguy 20 Summer Doldrums

POINTGIVEN1985 03-20-2007 09:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kasept
He's plucky, professional and owns a turn of foot. To do what he did in the Risen Star showed gumption. In what is quickly becoming a group that is going to be tough to seperate, those qualities are 'endearing"...


The wiseguy's wiseguy horse.. Will get one shot at the brass ring. Going to get Matz tomorrow and see where Chelokee stands... Looks like IL Derby will be the place.


The balloting asks 'who has the best chance to win the Derby' and for starters, Birdbird is ASSURED a spot in it if McPeek wants, and that puts him ahead of many. McPeek loves the horse, says he belongs and I believe him.

Cobalt Blue was seen by Nick Zito as the single most outstanding individual in the SAR yearling sale two years ago and is heartbroken not to have him in his shed.

Adore the Gold is an overachieving sort who is just plain dead game and was actually best in the Fountain of Youth.
i understand what the poll means, as for cobalt blue and adore the gold i just figured they were to high, just my opinion, if i had a top 20 they would be 15-20, and as for birdbird, i dont see much there i think alot of ppl will agree that he just is not talented enough, my opinion is that birdbird is a 3 tier 3 yr old.

Coach Pants 03-20-2007 09:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
i understand what the pole means, as for cobalt blue and adore the gold i just figured they were to high, just my opinion, if i had a top 20 they would be 15-20, and as for birdbird, i dont see much there i think alot of ppl will agree that he just is not talented enough, my opinion is that birdbird is a 3 tier 3 yr old.
Did you just call Steve a poll?

Kasept 03-20-2007 09:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
i understand what the pole means, as for cobalt blue and adore the gold i just figured they were to high, just my opinion, if i had a top 20 they would be 15-20, and as for birdbird, i dont see much there i think alot of ppl will agree that he just is not talented enough, my opinion is that birdbird is a 3 tier 3 yr old.
That's fine. I'm going to side with Ken McPeek on this.. No offense. Keep the name Tejano Run in the back of your mind though...

POINTGIVEN1985 03-20-2007 09:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Did you just call Steve a poll?
lol no, i ment the top 20....

Cajungator26 03-20-2007 09:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Did you just call Steve a poll?
Haha

Where's that Guy Smiley fellow when you need him?

pgardn 03-20-2007 09:34 PM
AHA!

Another that was impressed with Cobalt Blue over Curlin. Makes it about a 3:10 ratio.

POINTGIVEN1985 03-20-2007 09:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
AHA!

Another that was impressed with Cobalt Blue over Curlin. Makes it about a 3:10 ratio.
visually i thought curlin was alot more impressive, actually overall i thought he was alot more impressive but as for the derby goes i dont like either of them

hoovesupsideyourhead 03-20-2007 10:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kasept
He's plucky, professional and owns a turn of foot. To do what he did in the Risen Star showed gumption. In what is quickly becoming a group that is going to be tough to seperate, those qualities are 'endearing"...


The wiseguy's wiseguy horse.. Will get one shot at the brass ring. Going to get Matz tomorrow and see where Chelokee stands... Looks like IL Derby will be the place.


The balloting asks 'who has the best chance to win the Derby' and for starters, Birdbird is ASSURED a spot in it if McPeek wants, and that puts him ahead of many. McPeek loves the horse, says he belongs and I believe him.

Cobalt Blue was seen by Nick Zito as the single most outstanding individual in the SAR yearling sale two years ago and is heartbroken not to have him in his shed.

Adore the Gold is an overachieving sort who is just plain dead game and was actually best in the Fountain of Youth.
great cant wait to hear he goes the sns route..but tell matz to put em in the wood..

blackthroatedwind 03-20-2007 10:54 PM
Circular Quay is second?

I'm trying to remember if he's in my top ten.

Hickory Hill Hoff 03-20-2007 10:57 PM
My Top 10

1) GREAT HUNTER
2) SCAT DADDY
3) STREET SENSE
4) CIRCULAR QUAY
5) RAVEL
6) NOTIONAL
7) NOBIZ LIKE SHOBIZ
8) ANY GIVEN SATURDAY
9) STORMELLO
10) COWTOWN CAT

“Knocking at the door”

KING OF THE ROXY
SAM P.
KETCHIKAN

pgardn 03-20-2007 11:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Circular Quay is second?

I'm trying to remember if he's in my top ten.
I like him, with a Giacomo set up Derby.


I'll take Scat Daddy of these two early Pletcher stars. He can find a position up further.

Cannon Shell 03-20-2007 11:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kasept
That's fine. I'm going to side with Ken McPeek on this.. No offense. Keep the name Tejano Run in the back of your mind though...
A rare error....

Past Post 03-21-2007 12:33 AM
No doubt that Circular Quay is my board horse for the Derby.I really think Todd knows this is his Ace.This horse LUVS Churchhill Downs, which is a big plus leading up to the Derby.I just want to see one or two bullet works before derby day.I just hope he doesnt show to much his next outing that would kill his price come derby day.:D

hockey2315 03-21-2007 01:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Past Post
No doubt that Circular Quay is my board horse for the Derby.I really think Todd knows this is his Ace.This horse LUVS Churchhill Downs, which is a big plus leading up to the Derby.I just want to see one or two bullet works before derby day.I just hope he doesnt show to much his next outing that would kill his price come derby day.:D
From what I've heard Pletcher considers Any Given Saturday (pre-TB Derby) his top 3yo. . . Whatever that's worth. . .

onebadbeast 03-21-2007 01:48 AM
Derby Horse
 
You Can Take Your Circle Keys, Your Notions, Your Saturdays, Your Storms, Your Streets And All The Rest And Stuff 'em. This Is The Year Of Your Cobalt And Your Merv Griffins...............

Kasept 03-21-2007 06:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Past Post
No doubt that Circular Quay is my board horse for the Derby.I really think Todd knows this is his Ace.This horse LUVS Churchhill Downs, which is a big plus leading up to the Derby.I just want to see one or two bullet works before derby day.I just hope he doesnt show to much his next outing that would kill his price come derby day.:D
PP,

Circular Quay is the barn pet around the T.A.P. shed... Any Given Saturday is the horse Pletcher wants to win with. When I talked to him Saturday after the race, he was very disappointed. I didn't understand until yesterday why... 'Saturday' now needs to finish 1-2 in the Blue Grass to MAKE the Derby grid. And the way the race is shaping up, that's no certainty... It would be stunning if Any Given Saturday ended up excluded from the Derby.

Quote:
Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
great cant wait to hear he goes the sns route..but tell matz to put em in the wood..
Speaking of the 'SNS' route, start adding Street Magician to your stable watches. Trombetta's Preakness colt... He's taking the Bernardini route...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
A rare error....
LOL.. Don't the two of you go to the same barber in Louisville? (Maybe A.B. Meyer's shop there at Taylor and Central?)

ateamstupid 03-21-2007 07:23 AM
Hell must've frozen over. Byk with a PLETCHER HORSE at #1!

paisjpq 03-21-2007 07:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Hell must've frozen over. Byk with a PLETCHER HORSE at #1!
I think it's the heat down there in florida

Kasept 03-21-2007 07:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by paisjpq
I think it's the heat down there in florida
"It's not the heat, it's the humidity..."

paisjpq 03-21-2007 07:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kasept
"It's not the heat, it's the humidity..."
yes well it is 2 below right now here...so hell might just be frozen after all.

Hickory Hill Hoff 03-21-2007 07:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kasept
"It's not the heat, it's the humidity..."
First day of spring here in the "great" northeast...it's zero! :mad:

jjf1031 03-21-2007 08:26 AM
Would not necessarily dismiss Bird from any discussion just yet. Give him another start this year.

Amazed that Hard Spun fell so far off the one poor effort.

Agree with Notional being that high as professional does seem like the correct term to describe him at this point

Still believe NBLS is most talented, but blinkers better work in the Wood

ArlJim78 03-21-2007 09:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjf1031
Would not necessarily dismiss Bird from any discussion just yet. Give him another start this year.

Amazed that Hard Spun fell so far off the one poor effort.

Agree with Notional being that high as professional does seem like the correct term to describe him at this point

Still believe NBLS is most talented, but blinkers better work in the Wood
That poor effort was confirmed when the horse that beat him, Tueflesberg, went on to be soundly beaten last week by a talented horse making only his second start, Curlin. Most people view Tueflesberg as a horse that doesn't belong on the derby trail. So its make or break time for Hard Spun this week. He fell fast with one bad effort, but he could also climb fast if he has a convincing win this weekend. I wouldn't count on it though.

jjf1031 03-21-2007 09:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArlJim78
That poor effort was confirmed when the horse that beat him, Tueflesberg, went on to be soundly beaten last week by a talented horse making only his second start, Curlin. Most people view Tueflesberg as a horse that doesn't belong on the derby trail. So its make or break time for Hard Spun this week. He fell fast with one bad effort, but he could also climb fast if he has a convincing win this weekend. I wouldn't count on it though.
Agree on company line idea as I do not like teufelsburg at all. Just think that with a good effort at Turfway he could easily redeem himself to at least be in top 10. Also believe he might have a brighter future on grass but of course that is not topic of this thread

Travis Stone 03-21-2007 11:45 AM
Street Sense back on top - albeit narrowly
 
Immediately following his Tampa Bay Derby win, I was anxious to see how many could become believers in Street Sense. Honestly, I was a bit surprised. He is now ranked #1 in the Dispatch Derby Poll... but not my much!

Link: http://www.racingdispatch.com/poll.php?year=2007&week=9

MisterB 03-21-2007 11:54 AM
I am not surprized at all. Set the track record, and really never pushed. All he needs is a good effort in the Bluegrass, and pop on Derby day. Setting up pretty good for this guy.

jjf1031 03-21-2007 11:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterB
I am not surprized at all. Set the track record, and really never pushed. All he needs is a good effort in the Bluegrass, and pop on Derby day. Setting up pretty good for this guy.
I stilll liked AGS race a bit better.

Cajungator26 03-21-2007 12:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjf1031
I stilll liked AGS race a bit better.
Ditto on that thought.

jjf1031 03-21-2007 01:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Ditto on that thought.
Only concern is another effort like that might leave him spent for Derby. Still thought Street Sense had another great setup and allowed Borel to do what he does best, hug the rail

Cannon Shell 03-21-2007 01:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjf1031
Only concern is another effort like that might leave him spent for Derby.
Amazing that we know think that 'races' are too tough on horses. And then we are in shock when a "heavily raced" horse like Ravel breaks down.

byalip 03-21-2007 02:05 PM
Kasept--

"Speaking of the 'SNS' route, start adding Street Magician to your stable watches. Trombetta's Preakness colt... He's taking the Bernardini route..."

Just wondering if Trombetta's giving Street Magician mugging lessons to follow the SNS route.

jjf1031 03-21-2007 02:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Amazing that we know think that 'races' are too tough on horses. And then we are in shock when a "heavily raced" horse like Ravel breaks down.
I agree. But you have to consider it when analyzing how horses are coming up to a big race such as KY Derby.

Cannon Shell 03-21-2007 02:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjf1031
I agree. But you have to consider it when analyzing how horses are coming up to a big race such as KY Derby.
I dont believe this to be true for horses that have already proven a certain level of ability. For a horse to suddenly jump up and run a huge race that was far better than its previous efforts, then it could be an issue. But for fast horses to run fast, I dont see where it matters.

KY_Sasquash 03-21-2007 02:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kasept
That's fine. I'm going to side with Ken McPeek on this.. No offense. Keep the name Tejano Run in the back of your mind though...

McPeek claims that Bird is better than Harlan's Holiday. Still waiting for that to happen


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