Most disappointing Sires
 

Who is the one sire that you felt strongly might do well at stud, only to later watch them become a complete bust?

Coronado's Quest

Tabasco Cat

Cigar

Had a friend who worked at Padua's training center with the youngsters and her opinion was that the Coronado's Quests were just plain nuts. "And good riddance" was her remark after it was announced he'd been sold overseas. Mental attitude is as important as physical talents, and CQ was such a nut-case himself that it shouldn't have surprised that he passed it on.

The ones that I had were just slow.

LOL

On that note, I guess I could mention Precisionist as well.

Some pretty good stallions over the years have had attitudes.

I also thought CQ would make a much better stallion than he did. He certainly had a nice pedigree, his dam was a half to beaten Derby Favorite Private Terms among others, and his 2nd dam was a Bold Ruler half sibling to the great Ruffian.

CQ had speed, could carry it a classic distance, and was an excellent 2yo.

Well, it was disappointing to him :D

I think Coronado's Quest is a sleeper broodmare sire. He may not have the number in the long run to get to the top of the list, but they are some of the best bred mares out there. And yes most were quite slow.

How can it be anyone other than Spectacular Bid?

Recently---Cigar comes to mind. :D

I am drawing a mental blank here....who was the colt that Jimmy Bond had that won the Travers a few years back???

Behrens?

http://www.pedigreequery.com/bernardini

:D

The Bid wasn't much of a sire of sires, but some decent mares came about because of him.

There was once a stallion that stood at Calumet Farms back near the very end of it's heyday that was named, of all things, Shoulda Pulledout.

It didn't have the greatest record on the track, but, it was a son of Bold Ruler from the family of a really great turf horse. While, I wouldn't exactly say that the expectations were sky high or anything, this guy really tanked as a sire.

Although, some of his offspring are still around today....unfortunately

Our Maizcay,

Broke the track record aboslutely flew, Sired Absolute garbage can pick him up for $2,500 A sad end to a Great horse

Cajun, for the kind of horse he was, he was a disappointment...And there is no bigger fan of the Bid than me.

Affirmed wasn't the sire Alydar was either and part of that is my belief that Affirmed was a bit "hopped up" for his races.

Dayjur was another that I thought would make it.

OMG... that is f ucking hilarious!!! :eek: :D

Shiat... I won't stop laughing all night...

victory gallop

golfprokev

Yeah....his progeny is like Murder's Row around here.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/progeny/shoulda+pulledout

OMG....LMFAO:D :D

Well, if anything, it proves that I spend too much time looking at pedigreequery. :o

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Blood Will Out Submited On:3/7/2007Posted On:3/8/2007 Author:John Hutchinson

Like the McNaught Comet, the rare sighting of a Breeders’ Cup winning sire and a triple US Grade One winning mare combining to produce a Group One winner Down Under passed us by yesterday when the outsider Prize Lady took out the 3200m Auckland Cup across the Tasman.
As her name may suggest, Prize Lady is a daughter of the Breeders’ Cup Turf winner Prized, a stallion of much underrated merit, and the imported Mummy’s Game mare, Pen Bal Lady, winner of 8 races up to 10 furlongs including the Gamely Handicap, the Santa Ana Handicap and the Santa Barbara Handicap at the elite level.
Alas ! Prize Lady was all of a $13,500 yearling to boot !!!!
The five year old mare went into the Auckland Cup with a record of just two wins from 16 starts, but one of those victories had come three starts ago when winning a minor event over 1550m at Rotorua when on the comeback trail. Prize Lady’s lead-up to yesterday’s grand final had resulted in a solid 1-1/4 length third to Luckshan in the Auckland Cup Trial on February 17, form which proved strong with Luckshan second this time around, ahead of the fast finishing favourite Pentane, the 2006 Auckland Cup winner.
For the record, we saw Prize Lady race in Australia in 2005 when finishing a creditable fourth to Vitesse Dane in the Queensland Oaks-Gr 1 before a slightly better than midfield finish in the Queensland Derby a week later.
Runner-up to the brilliant Justa Tad in the New Zealand Oaks and a good second to Calveen in the Dulcie Stakes-Gr 2 at her following start, Prize Lady was some 17 months on the sideline after Brisbane, before commencing her Auckland Cup preparation last November. There is a story there, to be sure.
Prize Lady is the fifth Group/Grade One winner for her sire, following on from the Brisbane Cup/Kelt Capital winner Prized Gem, the Donn Handicap winner Brass Hat, the Rosehill Guineas winner Sale of the Century and the New Zealand filly, Surprize Surprize, whose 8 wins included the NZ Thoroughbred Breeders’ Stakes. Prized was by Kris S, a major sire son of that outstanding influence, Roberto.
This year’s Auckland Cup winner is far and away the best foal of her dam, Pen Bal Lady. Foaled in 1984, Pen Bal Lady raced with moderate success in her native England, winning twice at two, before leaving that form well behind her the following year once shipped to USA. Six times successful in the States, Pen Bal Lady was one of the best of her sex over the next two years with the above mentioned three Grade One victories complemented by wins in the Honeymoon Handicap-Gr 3 and Senorita Stakes-L and placings in the Vanity Handicap-Gr1 and Hollywood Oaks-Gr1.
By the sprinter Mummy’s Game, Pen Bal Lady’s female family is obscure in the first remove or two but quite recognisable thereafter. It is the close-up family of the imported stallions King Midas and Grey Baron, those two horses taking their grey coats from their flying grand-dam Abelia, a daughter of the great Abernant. Abelia is Prize lady’s fifth dam.
In contrast to Prize Lady, Abelia’s five wins all came at 5 furlongs including the prestigious Queen Mary Stakes at Royal Ascot, the Goodwood Molecomb Stakes and the Ascot Cornwallis Stakes. Her father’s daughter was Abelia. Out of interest, the star New Zealand filly of the 80s, Canterbury Belle, is a more distant relation.
Prize Lady’s humble purchase price and fascinating pedigree background makes me think. As it should us all.
Every now and then, blood will out.

Prized did come to mind, though didn't he give us Brass Hat?

How do you also define a bust at stud?

Along these lines of disappointing is when you raise your colt for two years put in alot of blood, sweat and tears and finally get him to the race track. Enter him seven times in MSW then finally just really need to race him because he is ready for the twin spires so you put him in maiden claiming then have someone drop a claim on him the first time out. Try explaining that one to your 10 and 7 year old boys standing there crying. And to top it off the horse is shipped to god-forsaken West Virginia.

JO Tobin. Certainly one of the top 7/8 sprinters of the 70's. One the LA Cap at Hollywood with 128 i think and the Tom Fool wth tons of weight plus the dead weight of Jeff Fell. Carried his speed on occasion (Swaps) and was a freak on the grass too. Champ 2yo of england. Only problem was that he was a high strung Never Bend colt. I was so dissapointed with him as a stud. He had such brilliant speed when he harnessed it..

I was thinking the same thing.

I thought the same thing. Very creative.

That's officially my laugh of the day! Glad I wasn't drinking milk when I hit that link.

I was wrong once....I found DrugS a place to live in Saratoga ( pretty good deal by the way ) last summer.

I will correct that mistake.

Secretariat

As a sire of sires, certainly, but his line will live on his mares.

Ferdinand.

plugged nickel.

You got that wrong. Big Red was a stayer and his connections made the mistake of breeding him to mares that were also distance horses and his babys could run for miles. Problem was that we don't write any 2 mile races in America. It took them 5 years to figure out what they did wrong. His mares have done well in breeding shed.

man o war

How about Lure? After all don't milers make the BEST sires?