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Kasept 04-21-2013 07:28 AM

2013 (CD): Derby/Oaks 'Morning Patrol'
 
Brisk a.m. at CD. 8:30 @KentuckyDerby & Oaks workers shortly: Verrazano, Revolutionary, Nrmndy Invsn, Will Take Charge (1m), Close Hatches.

Kasept 04-21-2013 09:15 AM

Times/splits are Mike Welsch's watch (see links below), so I will simply concentrate on visuals of the morning..

NORMANDY INVASION was quick early and slower late. Not a bad breeze overall but imagine Chad Brown would have preferred to flip the elements and have him slower early and faster late. Some yutz on facebook and/or twitter started a rumor when the colt was photographed upon arrival at Churchill that he had lost 'a ton of weight' out of the Wood. A naturally lean, trim horse, he looked 100% fine upon viewing today as evidenced by photo below.

Mike Welsch ‏@DRFWelsch: Normandy Invasion off fast, :11.57 :23.06 opening 1/4, completed 1/2 in :48.22 out 5/8's 1:01.41 up 1:15.41.


Kasept 04-21-2013 09:29 AM

VERRAZANO, who only raced 13 days ago, had a mundane drill with Authenticity, not being asked and not really attacking the work either. He remains the same striking looking colt I saw in Florida in January. Gary Stevens was aboard..

Mike Welsch ‏@DRFWelsch Verrazano 5f.:59.95 in co. G3 placed Authenticity, broke off 1-1/2 lengths back, fin. neck in front, out 1:13.13 up 1:26.64. Mate held tuff.


REVOLUTIONARY worked a nice half with Calvin, finish the second quarter very nicely (:23+) and galloping out away from his workmate without being asked..

Mike Welsch ‏@DRFWelsch Revolutionary, Borel up, 4f. :48.73 scrapping rail, finished under a hold, appeared to switch leads nearing wire, out 1:01.36 up 1:15.13.

Kasept 04-21-2013 09:41 AM

Given his time off since the Rebel, WILL TAKE CHARGE had what had to be a fairly necessary 1m work and I only saw the early and late portions as well as the gallop out. Here are the eighths and quarters:

13.3
12.2 (26.0)
12.3
12.2 (25.0)
12.4
13.0 (25.4)
12.3
12.1 (24.4)

1:41.3

Seemed to be all on his own..

Kasept 04-21-2013 09:44 AM

Should toss in that I saw CHARMING KITTEN for the first time and he looks and moves completely like a turf horse with that prancey, high knee action.. PALACE MALICE was out as well and looks no worse for wear for having wheeled back in the Blue Grass of the Louisiana Derby fiasco..

Scav 04-21-2013 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 924618)
Times/splits are Mike Welsch's watch (see links below), so I will simply concentrate on visuals of the morning..

NORMANDY INVASION was quick early and slower late. Not a bad breeze overall but imagine Chad Brown would have preferred to flip the elements and have him slower early and faster late. Some yutz on facebook and/or twitter started a rumor when the colt was photographed upon arrival at Churchill that he had lost 'a ton of weight' out of the Wood. A naturally lean, trim horse, he looked 100% fine upon viewing today as evidenced by photo below.

Mike Welsch ‏@DRFWelsch: Normandy Invasion off fast, :11.57 :23.06 opening 1/4, completed 1/2 in :48.22 out 5/8's 1:01.41 up 1:15.41.


It was Don Chatlos. I saw the picture and he did look skinny, but its impossible to know how he normally carries his weight to compare.

bare it all 04-21-2013 09:45 AM

Did you get a look at Mylute by chance?

Kasept 04-21-2013 09:50 AM

CLOSE HATCHES had the most spirited looking drill of the 8:30 special session going a very sharp half under a hold by the exercise girl. Nice.. MIDNIGHT LUCKY went twice around two minute licking and just at a passing glance, looks physically more sprint than route to me..

Mike Welsch ‏@DRFWelsch Close Hatches :23.56 went 1/2 in :47.78 out 5/8's 1:01.38 up 1:15.84 for Oaks.

Kasept 04-21-2013 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bare it all (Post 924624)
Did you get a look at Mylute by chance?

Did not unfortunately.. Went at 6a and was quite strong according to Welsch. Considering that last week's drill was his 'Derby work', clockers that saw both were impressed that MY LUTE was as aggressive as he was today given his reputation for indifference when working solo..

Mike Welsch ‏@DRFWelsch Mylute 12.48 24.57 1/2 in 47.80 going ez last 1/4 23.23 finished well but out average 101.86 with Rosie up.

Mike also noted that OXBOW was out for his gallop early and had to be dissuaded from doing more..

Kasept 04-21-2013 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 924623)
It was Don Chatlos. I saw the picture and he did look skinny, but its impossible to know how he normally carries his weight to compare.

Surprised that Chatlos would say anything with him not knowing the horse at all. Normandy Invasion is a narrow type in the Real Quiet mode. Cherie says he's always been lean and trim.

Kasept 04-21-2013 02:21 PM

4/21 WORKOUT VIDEOS

VERRAZANO: http://t.co/olAgeFo9KT

REVOLUTIONARY: http://t.co/d0FIEaeLmw

NORMANDY INVASION: http://t.co/ODHUpekOah

CLOSE HATCHES: http://t.co/YBXP8h53Mf

WILL TAKE CHARGE (Stretch): http://t.co/MS3A9SEzdG

More to come..

Kasept 04-21-2013 02:23 PM

Churchill Downs PR (Darren Rogers) ‏@DerbyMedia Complete rundown of today's #KyDerby & #KyOaks news and notes @ChurchillDowns: http://bit.ly/11syFa4

Sightseek 04-21-2013 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 924626)
CLOSE HATCHES had the most spirited looking drill of the 8:30 special session going a very sharp half under a hold by the exercise girl. Nice.. MIDNIGHT LUCKY went twice around two minute licking and just at a passing glance, looks physically more sprint than route to me..

Mike Welsch ‏@DRFWelsch Close Hatches :23.56 went 1/2 in :47.78 out 5/8's 1:01.38 up 1:15.84 for Oaks.

Midnight Lucky --

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOVmhkWMEP4

No doubt, baby got back!

Sightseek 04-21-2013 03:52 PM

Crinkle



trash can for me


Frac Daddy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMIEc9oGzj4

4/20:

Dreaming of Julia.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGoaZt8PuN8

Alabama Stakes 04-21-2013 06:16 PM

tankx for linx
 
that move by Revolutionary was sharp. He just moves nicely barely touching the track

RockHardTen1985 04-21-2013 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 924754)
that move by Revolutionary was sharp. He just moves nicely barely touching the track

My uncles a 10x bigger mush than me and he decleared today that he loves this horse. Here's a few texts from him.

The rev can show. Speed if he. Wnts. Wants. A lot off these horses will struggle at a mile and quarter rev stays healthy got a huge shot !!!!

Told you as soon as we get too simulcast that day putting 1 hundred across on the rev

Dahoss 04-21-2013 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 924763)
My uncles a 10x bigger mush than me and he decleared today that he loves this horse. Here's a few texts from him.

The rev can show. Speed if he. Wnts. Wants. A lot off these horses will struggle at a mile and quarter rev stays healthy got a huge shot !!!!

Told you as soon as we get too simulcast that day putting 1 hundred across on the rev

The chemistry you two have is electric. I'd like to see a show with you two and I can't imagine I'm alone.

RockHardTen1985 04-21-2013 06:52 PM

Be at racino Oaks day and reservations Saturday at the racino at Fortunes. Feel free to join us either day.

Danzig 04-21-2013 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 924764)
The chemistry you two have is electric. I'd like to see a show with you two and I can't imagine I'm alone.

bert and ernie

Dahoss 04-21-2013 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 924767)
Be at racino Oaks day and reservations Saturday at the racino at Fortunes. Feel free to join us either day.

I meant you and Alabama Stakes. Maybe hit Capital back up and pitch them the idea.

I'd rather throw myself in front of a bus than spend a minute in public with you, but thanks.

RockHardTen1985 04-21-2013 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 924770)
I meant you and Alabama Stakes. Maybe hit Capital back up and pitch them the idea.

I'd rather throw myself in front of a bus than spend a minute in public with you, but thanks.

No problem.

Dahoss 04-21-2013 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 924780)
No problem.

Should I just look for the loudmouth in jorts? Be like looking for a needle in a haystack there.

RockHardTen1985 04-21-2013 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 924789)
Should I just look for the loudmouth in jorts? Be like looking for a needle in a haystack there.

Khaki shorts in 2 weeks. Gotta be comfortable on the big handle days. Ill happily buy you a drink. You can even meet Uncle Dave.

Merlinsky 04-21-2013 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 924631)
Surprised that Chatlos would say anything with him not knowing the horse at all. Normandy Invasion is a narrow type in the Real Quiet mode. Cherie says he's always been lean and trim.

Is he speaking whereof he knows not, or is this a case of trying to get better odds on what sounds like a wiseguy horse? How much does this kind of rumormongering lead to people clutching pearls vs. doing research and going 'Oh he's always like that, phfew. No problem.'

Mylute's sure getting a lot of buzz from that work. How big is he? Very Midnight Lute-ish?

wac 04-21-2013 10:41 PM

i just wonder about mylutes breeding. i put him in my stable mail last summer when he ran at CD think he came in 3rd but just liked the way he ran and i had a feeling that the midnight lutes would do something b/c i rememberd that he was bafferts KD horse till the breathing issues came up. Man this KD is one of the weirder ones ive seen in the 15yrs ive been paying attention.

RockHardTen1985 04-21-2013 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wac (Post 924817)
i just wonder about mylutes breeding. i put him in my stable mail last summer when he ran at CD think he came in 3rd but just liked the way he ran and i had a feeling that the midnight lutes would do something b/c i rememberd that he was bafferts KD horse till the breathing issues came up. Man this KD is one of the weirder ones ive seen in the 15yrs ive been paying attention.

I have never not had a Derby horse. I like Oxbow a lot, but it's hard to be confident in him after his last. I could use 6 horses, and not include 1 Pletcher runner. Weird for sure.

Port Conway Lane 04-21-2013 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 924819)
I have never not had a Derby horse. I like Oxbow a lot, but it's hard to be confident in him after his last. I could use 6 horses, and not include 1 Pletcher runner. Weird for sure.

Great Redeemer was a Derby horse.

Alabama Stakes 04-22-2013 08:46 AM

oooooooo
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 924770)
I meant you and Alabama Stakes. Maybe hit Capital back up and pitch them the idea.

I'd rather throw myself in front of a bus than spend a minute in public with you, but thanks.


Bill Buckner already tried that, but the bus went right through his legs.

Sightseek 04-22-2013 09:41 PM

Midnight Lucky looked nice working with Power Broker this morning..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyCxc-WFqxM

Oxbow looking like the energizer bunny -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2NVV8IRDBU

Alabama Stakes 04-22-2013 10:42 PM

I was wondering what you meant by the energizer bunny. after watching that work, I feel ya man. It'l be up to him to beat Revolutionary in the Belmont or Triple Crown could be in the cards.

goodcopy 04-23-2013 12:27 AM

Watch Her Sprint And Win @ 1 1/8 by All
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 924626)
CLOSE HATCHES had the most spirited looking drill of the 8:30 special session going a very sharp half under a hold by the exercise girl. Nice.. MIDNIGHT LUCKY went twice around two minute licking and just at a passing glance, looks physically more sprint than route to me..

Mike Welsch ‏@DRFWelsch Close Hatches :23.56 went 1/2 in :47.78 out 5/8's 1:01.38 up 1:15.84 for Oaks.

Steve,She goes 1 1/16 in 1:41 flat completely shut down for the last 1/16th
There is nothing wrong with thinking She's the "Next one" just because Bob B
is her trainer!
I have before and will continue to eat my words but at this point I think she will dominate at a good price (because of the Todd Squad fillies)
5-1 I hope this will give me a large bankroll for the 1st Saturday in May!:eek::tro:

Kasept 04-23-2013 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goodcopy (Post 924894)
Steve,She goes 1 1/16 in 1:41 flat completely shut down for the last 1/16th. There is nothing wrong with thinking She's the "Next one" just because Bob B is her trainer! I have before and will continue to eat my words but at this point I think she will dominate at a good price (because of the Todd Squad fillies) 5-1 I hope this will give me a large bankroll for the 1st Saturday in May!:eek::tro:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 924890)
Midnight Lucky looked nice working with Power Broker this morning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyCxc-WFqxM

The comment of mine you quoted is regarding Sunday's gallop appearance on the track.. not Monday's work. As discussed with Mike Welsch, she embarrassed Power Broker in the drill Monday. Mike Smith is motionless on her in the stretch and Dana Barnes is asking Power Broker just to stay with her. Midnight Lucky likely Oaks 3rd choice with Dreaming of Julia and Beholder ahead of her on the pecking order. You should get all of 5-1. Can tell you she is 2nd best on the sheets (Thoro Graph) only to Dreaming of Julia's insane Gulfstream number.

Kasept 04-23-2013 04:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 924890)
Oxbow looking like the energizer bunny -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2NVV8IRDBU

Oxbow looked terrific. Here's Mike's comment and note the highlight. That's a code for Dublin and Optimizer coming into their Derbys on the nod. Those two dragged themselves around in the mornings and shut down quickly after their works. Oxbow coming towards this Derby in top shape..

Oxbow (five furlongs in 1:00.95) breezed closer to six furlongs than five as he took a long run at the pole after being released from the pony by trainer D. Wayne Lukas. With jockey Gary Stevens aboard, Oxbow showed a high energy level right from the start, and Stevens did well to slow him down to a 24.42-second opening quarter and 36.36 three-furlong split.

Running with his head cocked inward, Oxbow fanned out about four paths wide entering the stretch, switched leads right on cue, and was straight as a string to the wire, completing his final quarter in 24.59 without any urging by Stevens.

Although in past years, Lukas’s Derby runners rarely did much during the gallop-out, Oxbow continued on strongly into and around the turn, getting six furlongs in 1:14.48 before pulling up seven-eighths in 1:28.67. It was a sharp move for a horse who may fly under the radar a bit and figures to show much more early speed after being hauled back early and turning in a disappointing effort in the Arkansas Derby.

OldDog 04-23-2013 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 924899)
It was a sharp move for a horse who may fly under the radar a bit . . .

unless he keeps this up. Wow.

a_rookie 04-23-2013 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 924710)
Crinkle



trash can for me


Frac Daddy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMIEc9oGzj4

4/20:

Dreaming of Julia.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGoaZt8PuN8

FD is 2 for 2 n exacta at CD. Is there any other horse that can claim to that placing?

Vegaskid 04-23-2013 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goodcopy (Post 924894)
Steve,She goes 1 1/16 in 1:41 flat completely shut down for the last 1/16th
There is nothing wrong with thinking She's the "Next one" just because Bob B
is her trainer!
I have before and will continue to eat my words but at this point I think she will dominate at a good price (because of the Todd Squad fillies)
5-1 I hope this will give me a large bankroll for the 1st Saturday in May!:eek::tro:

Not sure you are going to get "good price (5-1)" on her. I think she goes off as the small fav (5-2)...

Close hatches is the one i'm liking... Mott has her cranked!!

Sightseek 04-23-2013 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a_rookie (Post 924915)
FD is 2 for 2 n exacta at CD. Is there any other horse that can claim to that placing?

He has also been well-beaten by most of the field more than twice and I'm not willing to wager that the surface is going to help him that much considering how many horses are looking good right now.

NTamm1215 04-23-2013 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegaskid (Post 924918)
Not sure you are going to get "good price (5-1)" on her. I think she goes off as the small fav (5-2)...

Close hatches is the one i'm liking... Mott has her cranked!!

Midnight Lucky is going to get more respect at the windows than she should, but she won't be favored. Dreaming of Julia has that locked up.

VOL JACK 04-23-2013 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 924920)
Midnight Lucky is going to get more respect at the windows than she should, but she won't be favored. Dreaming of Julia has that locked up.

Isn't DoJ going to be in the even money range?

Scav 04-23-2013 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 924922)
Isn't DoJ going to be in the even money range?

At least, i can see 3/5


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