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smartyalex 01-13-2007 04:47 PM

Hard Spun!!!
 
Looked real good this evening!!!

miraja2 01-13-2007 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Exciting 3 year old.

Yes he is.
I have not seen the race from today yet, but he does seem interesting. His previous races have looked nice, and his pedigree seems to indicate that he could be effective when the spring 3yo races stretch out to 8.5 and 9 furlongs. He is by Danzig, of course, but more importantly the dam side of his pedigree is dominated by horses that were all G1 winners at 10f and beyond (Turkoman, Alydar, Roberto). Now I am no pedigree expert like many on this board are, but it seems to me like that indicates that stretching out should not bother him.
If he stays healthy I think he will be a factor in the bigger 3yo races in March and April.

saucon17 01-13-2007 05:24 PM

Did Mario Pino forget the mile race finishes at the first finish line
or was he told to ride him out and extra 1/16 of a mile to the second
finish line at FG. However he was impressive indeed.

brianwspencer 01-13-2007 05:27 PM

Wow, he made my boy Makeithapen look real real bad there.

This horse seems to have lots going for him, can't wait to see him throughout the Spring.

Hopefully, Makeithapen's people will think about the Illinois Derby if they really want to go to Louisville with him -- there's enough good money to be made there for a single race on a track that he loves.

brianwspencer 01-13-2007 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by saucon17
Did Mario Pino forget the mile race finishes at the first finish line
or was he told to ride him out and extra 1/16 of a mile to the second
finish line at FG. However he was impressive indeed.

From drf.com

Hard Spun completed the mile - which ends at the sixteenth pole finish line - in 1:37.87 and galloped out an extra sixteenth of a mile to the normal finish line, per instructions from trainer Larry Jones.

jpops757 01-13-2007 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
From drf.com

Hard Spun completed the mile - which ends at the sixteenth pole finish line - in 1:37.87 and galloped out an extra sixteenth of a mile to the normal finish line, per instructions from trainer Larry Jones.

A jockey doing as instructed. How strange.

Danzig 01-13-2007 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Yes he is.
I have not seen the race from today yet, but he does seem interesting. His previous races have looked nice, and his pedigree seems to indicate that he could be effective when the spring 3yo races stretch out to 8.5 and 9 furlongs. He is by Danzig, of course, but more importantly the dam side of his pedigree is dominated by horses that were all G1 winners at 10f and beyond (Turkoman, Alydar, Roberto). Now I am no pedigree expert like many on this board are, but it seems to me like that indicates that stretching out should not bother him.
If he stays healthy I think he will be a factor in the bigger 3yo races in March and April.

don't forget that danzig sired danzig connection, a belmont winner.

congrats to hard spun, may his great racing continue!!

miraja2 01-13-2007 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188
don't forget that danzig sired danzig connection, a belmont winner.

congrats to hard spun, may his great racing continue!!

True. Danzig has sired some good dirt routers in Pine Bluff, Chiefs Crown, Stephens Odyssey, Polish Navy etc. But from what I know about it, the dam is more important than the sire in determining a horse's ability to stay going 9f and beyond.
Take your Danzig Connection example. His broodmare sire (Sir Ivor) was a multible stakes winner at the lengthy distance of 12f. More importantly, Danzig Connection had a lot of Princequillo on his dam's side. That is where the whole mutant heart business comes into play, and is probably why DC could win going 12f.
Anyway, I digress....Hard Spun appears to have talent and a pedigree that indicates he might be strong going 9f and beyond. He could be a nice 3yo.

Danzig 01-13-2007 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2
True. Danzig has had sired some good dirt routers in Pine Bluff, Chiefs Crown, Stephens Odyssey, Polish Navy etc. But from what I know about it, the dam is more important than the sire in determining a horse's ability to stay going 9f and beyond.
Take your Danzig Connection example. His broodmare sire (Sir Ivor) was a multible stakes winner at the lengthy distance of 12f. More importantly, Danzig Connection had a lot of Princequillo on his dam's side. That is where the whole mutant heart business comes into play, and is probably why DC could win going 12f.
Anyway, I digress....Hard Spun appears to have talent and a pedigree that indicates he might be strong going 9f and beyond. He could be a nice 3yo.

i hope he turns out well. never been up on a 3 yo this early in the year. been watching him since two races ago....

and yeah, it's supposed to be speed from the sire, stamina from the dam, but...horses don't know who their parents are!

danzig sires anything and everything. an amazing horse.

miraja2 01-14-2007 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig188
but...horses don't know who their parents are!

Of course. Pedigree alone is NEVER a reason to be excited about a horse's chances. I get excited about a horse when it shows ability (which this colt has) AND has a pedigree which indicates that it SHOULD be able to stretch out.
I think you are right to get excited about this colt even though it is early. For me the key to enjoying the 3yo spring season is not to treat the races as nothing more than Kentucky Derby preps.
For example, if someone was excited about Lawyer Ron early last year, guess what, they were right! Just because he was a nonfactor in the Derby and missed the rest of the TC, his performance in the Risen Star/Southwest/Rebel/Arkansas Derby means that his early backers were right. It should not be ALL about the first Saturday in May.
Some people enjoy trying to pick the winner of the Kentucky Derby in January. Fine. I don't. I have no way of knowing what kind of form Hard Spun will be in 4 months from now, or what other quality 3yos will emerge, but I do think he is a colt to watch for in the bigger 3yo races in the weeks ahead.

Cajungator26 01-14-2007 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpops757
A jockey doing as instructed. How strange.

LMAO! :D

Danzig 01-14-2007 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2
Of course. Pedigree alone is NEVER a reason to be excited about a horse's chances. I get excited about a horse when it shows ability (which this colt has) AND has a pedigree which indicates that it SHOULD be able to stretch out.
I think you are right to get excited about this colt even though it is early. For me the key to enjoying the 3yo spring season is not to treat the races as nothing more than Kentucky Derby preps.
For example, if someone was excited about Lawyer Ron early last year, guess what, they were right! Just because he was a nonfactor in the Derby and missed the rest of the TC, his performance in the Risen Star/Southwest/Rebel/Arkansas Derby means that his early backers were right. It should not be ALL about the first Saturday in May.
Some people enjoy trying to pick the winner of the Kentucky Derby in January. Fine. I don't. I have no way of knowing what kind of form Hard Spun will be in 4 months from now, or what other quality 3yos will emerge, but I do think he is a colt to watch for in the bigger 3yo races in the weeks ahead.

true...so many horses are considered a failure if they don't win in ky, but only ONE horse can win--every other 3 yo is a failure, or overrated if they don't?!

another horse i got on somewhat early was smarty--but i didn't think he was truly going to win the derby til he won the ark derby. i turned to my kids after he crossed the finish that day and said there's your derby horse. it was fun-but in a way, not so fun...you know that if you're right, that the horse is that good, you're days watching him are numbered.

i know rick porter was already offered a lot of money for this guy-those offers will only get bigger if he continues to do so well.

Sightseek 01-14-2007 11:36 AM

If he stays at Fair Grounds looks like he'll be tested against Circular Quay on the road to the Derby. Pletcher reported as saying he thought the longer stretch would be most beneficial to CQ's running style.

SniperSB23 01-14-2007 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
If he stays at Fair Grounds looks like he'll be tested against Circular Quay on the road to the Derby. Pletcher reported as saying he thought the longer stretch would be most beneficial to CQ's running style.

Isn't Tabor a poly lover? Wouldn't surprise me to see the horse go to the Lane's End and the Blue Grass as his preps.

Sightseek 01-14-2007 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Isn't Tabor a poly lover? Wouldn't surprise me to see the horse go to the Lane's End and the Blue Grass as his preps.

Today's racing form...

jpops757 01-14-2007 12:06 PM

We all talk about top trainers . Larry Jones is always under the radar. I would like any of you name one horse he has trained that under performed. He always has his runners ready and seem to always do the right thing for his horses. These conection are a big plus mark.

Samarta 01-14-2007 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig188
true...so many horses are considered a failure if they don't win in ky, but only ONE horse can win--every other 3 yo is a failure, or overrated if they don't?!

another horse i got on somewhat early was smarty--but i didn't think he was truly going to win the derby til he won the ark derby. i turned to my kids after he crossed the finish that day and said there's your derby horse. it was fun-but in a way, not so fun...you know that if you're right, that the horse is that good, you're days watching him are numbered.

i know rick porter was already offered a lot of money for this guy-those offers will only get bigger if he continues to do so well.

No way he sells him no matter what the offer is.

Samarta 01-14-2007 12:24 PM

One thing I find interesting is that Jones shipped Hard Spun to Oaklawn for the Winter and is now indicating that he will take the Louisiana route and not the Arkansas route to the Derby. If that pans out, I wonder how the folks at Oaklawn will feel about the connections. Probably already a little strained to begin with.


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