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ShadowRoll 04-28-2007 07:23 PM

New York bred for Dee Tee Stables?
 
Steve --

Still thinking about getting another horse for the partnership? If so (and if it's the same deal), I'm in!

Maybe now's not the best time to bring this up. On the other hand, since it's the eve of our glorious victory, why not?

Kasept 04-29-2007 09:17 AM

S/R,

Will get the Prospectus/Agreement on the NY-Bred ready after I return from the Derby! But we're going to one... Same package...

pmacdaddy 04-29-2007 09:23 AM

Great News Steve!

Danzig 04-29-2007 09:33 AM

sweet.

a guy who works with my husband was asking us about it the other day. said if we do another, he wants in.

we had several people asking about it--i think it's a good thing telling others about racing, the ins and outs--one lady was horrified that horses run in claiming races, where you might lose your horse.
another guy has sumwon in his stable watch--a lot of folks here go to oaklawn, finding fans every day.

pointman 04-30-2007 09:12 PM

Love it, maybe a 2 year old?

Kasept 05-07-2007 05:29 AM

NY-bred Partnership Update
 
Chuck has been doing some investigation, and is dissatisfied with the potential quality of NYB horse in training (claimer, etc.) we could likely purchase for the estimated $20,000-$25,000 we would raise.. The reason is that there simply are few NY-breds for this price that would have any potential or conditions to run through, as no one would sell one that could be grabbing the NY-bred money available if they had..

A good example is the colt that I was involved with, Funny Boy. He was sold privately for $25k, but had been sidelined a year with a serious injury which could re-surface at any time. He broke his maiden two weeks ago at AQU, and is 3/1-1-1, but John Parisella will have to be very careful with him to keep him whole.

The inclination if people are interested, is to buy a NY-bred yearling at the August NY-bred Select Yearling Sale instead. That means of course that partners would not see this purchase run until summer of 2008.. A second Dee Tee horse, a non-NYB, is also a possibility. We'll keep the ball in the air on this and address it further once I return to NY Thursday.. Thanks for the continued interest, as I know a number of you want to get into another horse.

pmacdaddy 05-07-2007 07:35 AM

Our group would be very interested in getting a NYB yearling. Would love to go to the sales too.

Is Chuck willing to do the same deal with a Horse that will be training so long before seeing action? Or will we have a different arrangement in that scenario?

Thanks

ShadowRoll 05-07-2007 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
...The inclination if people are interested, is to buy a NY-bred yearling at the August NY-bred Select Yearling Sale instead. That means of course that partners would not see this purchase run until summer of 2008...

Does this mean that you would modify the contract to make the partnership agreement longer term than the last one?

Sorry, habit of my profession.

Riot 05-07-2007 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
The inclination if people are interested, is to buy a NY-bred yearling at the August NY-bred Select Yearling Sale instead. That means of course that partners would not see this purchase run until summer of 2008.. A second Dee Tee horse, a non-NYB, is also a possibility.

My supposition is that a main desire regarding the next horse is to get something that would primarily race more centrally within the east coast, for Dee Tee partners there to enjoy?

If so, doesn't matter to me what Chuck Simon thinks would be most appropriate - I'm in :D

Cannon Shell 05-07-2007 01:44 PM

As Steve stated before getting an acceptable horse in our likely price range is going to be difficult if we limit ourselves to NY breds. We would need to gamble on a physical wreck or get really lucky. I dont like depending on luck and I want to be upfront with everyone before we start raising funds. I think that I can find a nice NY bred yearling for a minimal cost. But trying to find a NY bred for sale that is actually worth $25000 is almost impossible.

Sumwon is going to work on Wed. Probably 1/2 mile in around 50-51.

MISTERGEE 05-07-2007 02:02 PM

is there a 2yo sale of ny breds?

pmacdaddy 05-07-2007 02:30 PM

Is there a seperate sale for NYB Yearlings or are they entered as part of the standard sales?

I would be curious to look over last year's results if there is a particular auction we would target.

Thanks!

Riot 05-07-2007 02:52 PM

[quote=Sumwon is going to work on Wed. Probably 1/2 mile in around 50-51.[/QUOTE]

She's that full of herself? Great! What time, may be able to stop by?

phystech 05-07-2007 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I think that I can find a nice NY bred yearling for a minimal cost. But trying to find a NY bred for sale that is actually worth $25000 is almost impossible.

Chuck,

Can you give us a ballpark breakdown of what the costs would be to train a yearling up to a race, please?

Plenty of 2 yr olds in the Timonium Fas-Tip sale catalog.......8-)

Thanks!

Downthestretch55 05-07-2007 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Chuck has been doing some investigation, and is dissatisfied with the potential quality of NYB horse in training (claimer, etc.) we could likely purchase for the estimated $20,000-$25,000 we would raise.. The reason is that there simply are few NY-breds for this price that would have any potential or conditions to run through, as no one would sell one that could be grabbing the NY-bred money available if they had..

A good example is the colt that I was involved with, Funny Boy. He was sold privately for $25k, but had been sidelined a year with a serious injury which could re-surface at any time. He broke his maiden two weeks ago at AQU, and is 3/1-1-1, but John Parisella will have to be very careful with him to keep him whole.

The inclination if people are interested, is to buy a NY-bred yearling at the August NY-bred Select Yearling Sale instead. That means of course that partners would not see this purchase run until summer of 2008.. A second Dee Tee horse, a non-NYB, is also a possibility. We'll keep the ball in the air on this and address it further once I return to NY Thursday.. Thanks for the continued interest, as I know a number of you want to get into another horse.

Steve,
You have my e-mail. We can talk.
I have a very sweet deal on a 4 yo in training (bad partner that wants to bail). Also a very nice 2yo filly and a very good yearling.

We''ll talk if you think there's a good deal for you and the DT'ers.

Regards,
Wayne

Cannon Shell 05-07-2007 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE
is there a 2yo sale of ny breds?

not strictly for nyb's

Cannon Shell 05-07-2007 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmacdaddy
Is there a seperate sale for NYB Yearlings or are they entered as part of the standard sales?

I would be curious to look over last year's results if there is a particular auction we would target.

Thanks!

The Saratoga sale is called the preferred sale because the horses must meet some criteria. There is another open sale also but it is really spotty.

Cannon Shell 05-07-2007 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot
She's that full of herself? Great! What time, may be able to stop by?

8:30

Cannon Shell 05-07-2007 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phystech
Chuck,

Can you give us a ballpark breakdown of what the costs would be to train a yearling up to a race, please?

Plenty of 2 yr olds in the Timonium Fas-Tip sale catalog.......8-)

Thanks!

assuming we bought one in August or Sept...
If I break the horse and do all of its early training in KY then it will be pretty minimal. If we send it to Ocala then it gets more costly. If we assume that a NYB race for 2 yo's wont go until July (possible) then there is no rush to get the horse to the track before May.

Timonium is a good sale

randallscott35 05-07-2007 05:19 PM

Depending on the prospectus I'd be interested in a NY bred.


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