Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 812105)

how's he going to pull himself up when he wears pull ups?

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 812121)

It's not like there are US Citizens looking for a job or anything.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 812152)

How many US citizens with a MIT or similar degree are looking for work? I'd guess not many.

Casting a wary eye on the four-week-old Occupy Wall Street encampment, a group representing some of the city's most influential landlords plans to ask the city to revamp the rules governing privately owned parks, including removing a requirement that they be open 24 hours a day. "We're going to be clearly recommending to the city that there need to be some changes," Steven Spinola, president of the Real Estate Board of New York, said Friday. "If you can say that the plazas are closed between 1 and 5 a.m., I'm not sure who that's harming."

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 812180)

I'd guess there's no unemployment at all, it's all being faked. Because, you know, why bother with any reality, when you can just make something up, or guess.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 812209)

How many US citizens with a MIT or similar degree are looking for work? I'd guess not many.
What is "made up" or isn't realistic? Do you seriously want to argue that people with advanced degrees from places like MIT are having trouble finding work?

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 812218)

25% unemployment nationally? Hell no, I'm sure none of them are having any trouble at all finding any work! Especially those "advanced degrees" - they couldn't possibly be part of the unemployed. Who'd "seriously" of thought it? That's obviously beyond absurd! And there is no point in, you know, actually checking real unemployment rates, because they certainly could not be unemployed.

What is "made up" or "isn't realistic" about a guess? Apparently nothing in your world.

The reality doesn't matter- just take an opinion and argue it. Who needs facts? ;)

I have no idea how many MIT engineering grads are employed, or if they are less or more employed than the rest of the highly skilled but unemployed types of population.

But you guess that they are not unemployed, they couldn't possibly be, so that's good enough for me.



My, you do run on with your assumptions :D



Why don't you look it up on google?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 812224)

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/2144...e-graduate.htm

Yeah its my "opinion" that MIT grads dont have much trouble finding work. I mean do you seriously have a learning disabilty? Has Dailykos.com melted your brain to the point where you now deny that the unemployment numbers don't really effect people like MIT grads? Or do the 1000 or so MIT graduates take away too many of the 99%'s jobs for you?

In my opinion Albert Pujols is going to be signed to a very lucrative contract after the season. In my opinion the winner of the Breeders Cup Marathon will not be a serious horse of the year contender. In my opinion MIT grads dont have much trouble finding work after graduation. Only you would find fault with any of these 'assumptions' or opinions.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 812229)

I'm laughing only that you never bother to check facts, until after you express an opinion, and you always treat your opinions as inviolate once they are expressed :p

And hey, you degenerated to ad hominen personal insults really quickly today! Well done :tro: :D

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 812233)

What facts are you referring to? Do you seriously need "facts" to know that MIT grads hardly have trouble finding work?

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 812235)

LOL

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 812245)

You understand that MIT isnt just a typical school right?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 812152)

How many US citizens with a MIT or similar degree are looking for work? I'd guess not many.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 812247)

You understand that we are in a near record of 25% non-hiring joblessness, right?

I'm glad you've informed us that your opinion is that none of that could possibly affect MIT engineering grads. As I said, good to know! Thanks!

I did go and check on that, though, because unlike you, I don't know if MIT engineering grads have been affected by the recession, or not. Hey, I'm evidence-based, you are opinion-based. I laughed at you being so opinion-based, because of, you know, stuff like the following.

But hey! You go with with your "non-guess" opinion!

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 812249)

How many engineers laid off the las 10 years? My guess millions. It is clear where you stand on the issues and it is to be expected from someone in an industry that is known to use and abuse cheap undocumented foriegn labor. And save us the no American wants it bull. There would be at the right price. Funny how alot of you uber conseratives are all about the free markets except the market for thier own employees.

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 812249)

How many engineers laid off the las 10 years? My guess millions. It is clear where you stand on the issues and it is to be expected from someone in an industry that is known to use and abuse cheap undocumented foriegn labor. And save us the no American wants it bull. There would be at the right price. Funny how alot of you uber conseratives are all about the free markets except the market for thier own employees.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 812256)

Every job would find takers at the "right price". What is the "right price? Would people work the lettuce fields for 150k a year? Would people bus tables for 75k a year? Funny how twits like you "know" everything about horseracing when you know virtually nothing. So are you going to take the stance that MIT grads are all engineers and that they are having trouble finding employment too?

The unemployment level for thse with 4 year college degrees are still much lower than the general population. An MIT degree is much more valuable than an ordinary degree.

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 812265)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44981628

'Many of the Americans who have ventured out into the fields to pick crops have quit after a single day, telling farmers the work is too hard and not worth the pay.'



...jms, you obviously wouldn't shun a job because it's your belief no one would. that's simply not the case. undocumented workers come here for jobs that are available, at pay that's better than they can get elsewhere. many who live here on the other hand think such work is demeaning-which is why the jobs are available in the first place.
why do you think there really hasn't been anything done to stem the tide of illegals? i guarantee you we could stop it. raids are performed-on places paying under the table, thus no money to the feds. the ones who pay, and send money for ss-they don't get raided.

Originally Posted by dino (Post 812267)

Now just what does Occupy Wall Street have to do with unemployment? If it had anything to do with unemployment they wouldn't be protesting because it would make thier Liberal/Socialist savior look bad.
No only did the BILLIONS in job creation money not create any jobs but he also gave BILLIONS to Wall Street to bail them out.
Just curious if there is anyone out there that actually things this bum has done a good job?

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 812281)

I am not saying that. I am saying that the likes of those uber conservatives crying free market have no problem taking advantage of H1B's and using illegals vs paying a rate that would attract American Citizens. Free Market only when it suits them , eventually someone will take the job and it wouldn't be at the absurd levels quoted above by our resident Economist.

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 812292)

are you saying only hib's work at the track? i don't think so. but anyone who takes that job is ok, but if an hib, they're being taken advantage of? no, not at all. it's a better situation than at home, which is why they do it. they aren't forced to accept those jobs.

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 812296)

Please show me where I said that??? Otherwise cut the bull with trying to frame my post to something other that supports your response. Thank you in advance.

So here is the deal. When someone gets an H1B visa they are allowed ONLY to work for their sponsor. Their only option is to leave, they are not free to find a company that will pay them more. They have ZERO bargining power. Is That a Free Market? So American labor forced to compete with indentured servitude. Wouldn't the removal of that restriction level the playing field a bit? And the if they don't like it leave response doesn't address the issue and certainly won't get us out of this depression.

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 812302)

no need to get snarky. i quoted your post, above, where you said people have no issue with taking advantage of h1b's. i've been to the backside of tracks, it was a cross section of people, just like anywhere else.

h1b's make the choice they make; it's not forced on them. many come here because it's better than where they are, they make more money here than where they are. they don't come here as indentured servants-that's ridiculous. obviously if it wasn't worth their while, they wouldn't come!
everything is based on supply and demand. if the money offered isn't enough, people don't take the offer. the offer rises. that's generally how things work-whereas in selling products, you state a price, if no takers you lower it.

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 812310)

i guess i didn't address the point, because i'm not getting the point. you see it as forced labor, or indentured labor, i don't.

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 812313)

well, just look at that billion we spent to get qaddafi. no doubt that'll pay handsome dividends.
of course, right now everything is just pissing me off. i'm in a foul mood.

Originally Posted by clyde (Post 812317)

Say something dirty.

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 812318)

:tro: I bought into him bringing home the troops so we have some common ground.

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 812311)

China and India invade and take over the country from the inside out. Me, I'm fine and you are probably to.. For Now.. If we continue on this path your grandchildren certainly won't be fine.

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 812279)

You realize that there are folks on here that read your sh*it and make the decision never to use a pompus ass know it all as their trainer.
?

Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 812336)

:rolleyes:

I call bullshit.

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 812279)

Typical fuking trainer hating on the customer. You are so out of line.
Are you saying that there are no undocumented employees on the backside?
http://my.firedoglake.com/rayne/2011...al-immigrants/
http://www.alipac.us/article-print-6003.html
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/th...ented-workers/
I don't proclaim to know everything about your business unlike you who knows everything about the economy yet spends most of his day parked under a horses ass. Now you are into name calling and getting personal, if I were you I'd focus on Occupy the Winners Circle instead of acting like a know it all on this board.. You realize that there are folks on here that read your sh*it and make the decision never to use a pompus ass know it all as their trainer.
Now back to the MIT issue do you really think for one second that ONLY folks with a degree from MIT will be granted a VISA?