Originally Posted by dr. fager

ever been to Canada this time of year?....ok now how about LA this time of year?

:p

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

No, actually I haven't. I'm sorry, but is your name Euro? Didn't think so. :p

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I dont understand, why do they need a dirt surface as well. Oaklawn and Turfway dont have a turf so why does only having one surface matter. To me it is a 3rd surface. And of course it replaced dirt at Turway etc etc-u are a genius to figure that one out. So I dont understand when you say it is a dirt replacement.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Why do you think Woodbine and Turfway need polytrack as opposed to Keeneland and the Cali tracks? I'm interested in knowing your thoughts.

Originally Posted by dr. fager

Is your name Joel or are you his proxy?:eek:

Originally Posted by oracle80

Look Seattle,
asa 26 year old guy who has never lived away from mommy and daddy,and who doesnt posess a drivers liscense, you should know your place in the grand scheme of things.
To help you understand what that is, here is what you need to do.
Go outside after breakfast, and go and find a pond or a river or a swampy area. Pick up a rock right near the water and look underneath. If you have any questions after this, give us a shout and we can help you out with it.
Mommy and Daddy take you to Chuck E Cheese this past weekend?

Originally Posted by oracle80

Of course you do shill.
No track has room for both surfaces. And the fact that Oak and turf dont have turf has nothing to do whatsoever with what we are talking about. Nice strawman attempt though, anyway, it doesnt give trainers or horses the option of running on dirt. It replaces it, and its quite obvious that its nowhere near dirt.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

He should have joined us and gave his parents a break! HAHA I took my 3 year old! :D

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Woodbine and Turfway lost many days to bad track conditions. Also, the tracks would get wet and freeze and then melt making the conditions very dangerous. Keeneland and Cali do not have these problems. I think their dirt surfaces could have improved by fixing them. But Woodbine and Turfway cannot control the weather.

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

actually I was sick, and i had to cancel a few meetings with you know who. I hope to make it up to her this afternoon after work

Originally Posted by eurobounce

What do you mean trainers dont have the option to run on dirt. Trainers can go to Mountaineer or to Buleah to race on dirt if they desire. Granted that may not appeal to them but they have an option. And trainers at Turf and Oak dont have the option to run on Turf. So what is the difference.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Don't you think that further testing on synthetic surfaces should have been done though before installing them? It seems to me that the clumping, etc. going on with the polytrack isn't beneficial either.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

How does anyone get information that is not public? They typically no someone close to the situation. That is how I know. Just because you know someone who is close to the situation doesnt mean that you have a vested interest. If you want to call caring about the well-being of a freind as vested interest, then I guess I have one because I want my friend and his company to succeed.

Originally Posted by oracle80

The difference is that not one track in the US is ripping out turf courses and replacing them with poly. Thats the difference. And you know what? Since its like brown turf, thats exactly what they SHOULD do.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Not really. I mean, where are you going to test. I know this may not sound right, but the only way to test is to install it and race on it and then fix it. I also think that Cali and Arlington jumped the gun. It makes sense for Keeneland, Turfway and Woodbine.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Doest matter. You contention is that trainers do not have the option to run on dirt and I proved you wrong. Trainers at Oaklawn and Turfway do not have the option to run on turn so they need to ship. They can do the same with their dirt horses. So again, I make you look dumb.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Not in Cali they dont.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Not really. I mean, where are you going to test. I know this may not sound right, but the only way to test is to install it and race on it and then fix it. I also think that Cali and Arlington jumped the gun. It makes sense for Keeneland, Turfway and Woodbine.