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moses 04-15-2019 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1124811)
And Irad gets on Improbable

Hmm. Is Baffert that down on Van Dyke after the Rebel loss? Irad may be the better jockey...I don’t know...but I didn’t think Baffert teamed up with the Ortiz brothers too often.

moses 04-15-2019 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1124815)
Will money mike stick with the red and white of fox hill farm ? Or go for Roadster ?

I don’t see how he gets off OB. Roadster’s win was not as impressive as OB’s, in my opinion.

As for Gray Magician, I wonder why Prat hasn’t been announced. Maybe Prat has a chance at Roadster?

jms62 04-15-2019 05:40 PM

So rooting for Money Mike to make Baffert rue the day he decided that he was no longer his go to guy on Derby Trail horses.

Kasept 04-15-2019 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1124821)
So rooting for Money Mike to make Baffert rue the day he decided that he was no longer his go to guy on Derby Trail horses.

Baffert used the younger (physically stronger) guys on those horses in those spots for a reason. Smith understands that.

jms62 04-16-2019 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1124822)
Baffert used the younger (physically stronger) guys on those horses in those spots for a reason. Smith understands that.


Was Mike on any Baffert horses this Derby season? Mike is politically savy enough not to go to war and in his quiet and classy way show he is strong enough to win yet another Derby and the wind up is Baffert made a bad choice. My opinion of course.

ElPrado 04-16-2019 04:39 AM

Looks like Fox Hill.

Kasept 04-16-2019 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1124826)
Was Mike on any Baffert horses this Derby season? Mike is politically savy enough not to go to war and in his quiet and classy way show he is strong enough to win yet another Derby and the wind up is Baffert made a bad choice. My opinion of course.

Derby season Baffert/Smith: Roadster (who he was on from the start and was considered the barn's best 2yo), Much Better, Coliseum. Rosario had Game Winner early on. Van Dyke had Improbable. Prat rode Dessman. Talamo on Mucho Gusto.

Beyond the 3yo boys, Smith has McKinzie, Dream Tree, Chasing Yesterday.

There's no story to manufacture here.

jms62 04-16-2019 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1124828)
Derby season Baffert/Smith: Roadster (who he was on from the start and was considered the barn's best 2yo), Much Better, Coliseum. Rosario had Game Winner early on. Van Dyke had Improbable. Prat rode Dessman. Talamo on Mucho Gusto.

Beyond the 3yo boys, Smith has McKinzie, Dream Tree, Chasing Yesterday.

There's no story to manufacture here.

:o on me for forgetting Baffert trained Roadster.

RHT2004 04-16-2019 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1124819)
I don’t see how he gets off OB. Roadster’s win was not as impressive as OB’s, in my opinion.

As for Gray Magician, I wonder why Prat hasn’t been announced. Maybe Prat has a chance at Roadster?

He has to ride Roadster. I don't think it's that tough a choice.

blackthroatedwind 04-16-2019 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1124834)
He has to ride Roadster. I don't think it's that tough a choice.

Kind of cinches it, right? Omaha Beach it is!

jms62 04-16-2019 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1124835)
Kind of cinches it, right? Omaha Beach it is!

My opinion Ohama Beach may be pace compromised and Roadster would have best chance...

RHT2004 04-16-2019 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1124835)
Kind of cinches it, right? Omaha Beach it is!

Who would you ride, considering everything?

RHT2004 04-16-2019 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1124836)
My opinion Ohama Beach may be pace compromised and Roadster would have best chance...

That's only part of it, but I did factor that in.

Alabama Stakes 04-16-2019 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ElPrado (Post 1124827)
Looks like Fox Hill.

He does have history with them.
It would be cool to go to the sales with whomever picks out their stock. What an eye for horses.
Omaha Beach has proven his ability to do what Smith asks. I think he has confidence in that colt.

moses 04-16-2019 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1124836)
My opinion Ohama Beach may be pace compromised and Roadster would have best chance...

If there is a contested pace and things fall apart, I don’t think Roadster is the most likely to pick up the pieces. I don’t think he likes getting dirt in his face and it wasn’t until he dropped back and then swung wide that he really started to run in the Santa Anita Derby. It’s unlikely he’ll have the space to do that in a 20-horse field. And I’m still not certain that questions about his medical issues have been fully resolved. I’m looking at Tacitus and Code of Honor if the pace is right.

Just my opinion, but Roadster is ranked 3rd for me of the Baffert horses and probably somewhere in the 8-15 range in the overall Derby field.

knickslions2 04-16-2019 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1124841)
If there is a contested pace and things fall apart, I don’t think Roadster is the most likely to pick up the pieces. I don’t think he likes getting dirt in his face and it wasn’t until he dropped back and then swung wide that he really started to run in the Santa Anita Derby. It’s unlikely he’ll have the space to do that in a 20-horse field. And I’m still not certain that questions about his medical issues have been fully resolved. I’m looking at Tacitus and Code of Honor if the pace is right.

Just my opinion, but Roadster is ranked 3rd for me of the Baffert horses and probably somewhere in the 8-15 range in the overall Derby field.

I think Roadster is by far the best of the Baffert 3. I dont think the other ones have any chance to be honest. Omaha Beach has run well last two races but Roadster seems to have a huge upside. Tough decision for Mike Smith.

Holybull1 04-16-2019 10:54 AM

Bovada as of 4/16/2019:

Roadster 5
Omaha Beach 5.5
Game Winner 6
Improbable 8
Maximum Security 10
Tacitus 12
Vekoma 12
Code of Honor 14
Cutting Humor 20
Bourbon War 22
War of Will 22
Win Win Win 22
Anothertwistafate 25
By My Standards 25
Haikal 25
Long Range Toddy 25
Plus Que Parfait 25
Tax 25
Bodexpress 28
Country House 33
Spinoff 33
Signalman 40
Master Fencer 66
Sueno 66

blackthroatedwind 04-16-2019 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1124837)
Who would you ride, considering everything?

Omaha Beach.

moses 04-16-2019 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1124842)
I think Roadster is by far the best of the Baffert 3. I dont think the other ones have any chance to be honest. Omaha Beach has run well last two races but Roadster seems to have a huge upside. Tough decision for Mike Smith.

He could be the best of the 3. I’m not sure about him being the best by far. He beat Game Winner by 1/2 a length and Game Winner was wide the entire race.

When it comes down to it, I’m just not a fan of horses in the Derby who plan to stalk but only have experience in small fields. His one saving grace for me will be if Smith decides to stay on him. Then I’ll really have to reconsider things.

moses 04-16-2019 12:01 PM

For Omaha Beach, I read somewhere that he went unsold as an RNA at the yearling sale at Keeneland and the reason no one matched his reserve was some sort of medical issue. Does anyone know what the issue was? Obviously, it hasn’t hampered him so far.


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