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lemoncrush

04-27-2013 04:44 PM

So the only horse not on the grounds is Lines of Battle?
When is he due to arrive, and what is their thinking behind bringing him in so late??
Also, is O'Brien bringing anyone else along for the undercard stakes?

Aly-Sheba

04-27-2013 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 925571)

SUNDAY DERBY/OAKS UPDATE: http://www.kentuckyderby.com/sites/k...s%20Update.pdf

Steve,
What are you hearing on Govenor Charlie? On the Roger Stein show they were speculating that he probably won't run because of his foot issue?

Kasept

04-27-2013 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aly-Sheba (Post 925585)

Steve,
What are you hearing on Govenor Charlie? On the Roger Stein show they were speculating that he probably won't run because of his foot issue?

There's nothing to hear as Barnes has been trying to get him going. He's quite visible out there on the track hobbling around and we've been discussing it daily on ATR with Mike Welsch. He's struggling. Had one better day earlier in the week and then back in the other direction. Baffert should be out tomorrow and will have to see if they can pull him together.

Kasept

04-27-2013 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemoncrush (Post 925583)

So the only horse not on the grounds is Lines of Battle? When is he due to arrive, and what is their thinking behind bringing him in so late?? Also, is O'Brien bringing anyone else along for the undercard stakes?

Wednesday. Philosophy is that if you don't arrive early, arrive as close to the race as possible. There aren't any other UK-based Coolmore runners coming.

Kasept

04-28-2013 08:48 AM

5/4: KENTUCKY DERBY -- CURRENT FIELD -- SUNDAY (4/28)

1. Orb (Shug McGaughey/Joel Rosario)
2. Verrazano (Todd Pletcher/John Velazquez)
3. Goldencents (Doug O’Neill/Kevin Krigger)
4. Java’s War (Ken McPeek/Julian Leparoux)
5. Overanalyze (Todd Pletcher/Rafael Bejarano)
6. Revolutionary (Todd Pletcher/Calvin Borel)
7. Lines of Battle (Aidan O’Brien/Ryan Moore)
8. Vyjack (Rudy Rodriguez/Garrett Gomez)
9. Will Take Charge (D. Wayne Lukas/Jon Court)
10. Itsmyluckyday (Eddie Plesa Jr./Elvis Trujillo)
11. Black Onyx (Kelly Breen/Joe Bravo)
12. Palace Malice (Todd Pletcher/Mike Smith)
13. Normandy Invasion (Chad Brown/Javier Castellano)
14. Frac Daddy (Ken McPeek/V. Lebron)
15. Mylute (Tom Amoss/Rosie Napravnik)
16. Oxbow (D. Wayne Lukas/Gary Stevens)
17. Falling Sky (John Terranova/Luis Saez)
18. Charming Kitten (Todd Pletcher/Edgar Prado)
19. Winning Cause (Todd Pletcher) -- Doubtful
20. Tiz a Minister (Paul Aguirre/Joe Talamo) -- Questionable
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
21. Golden Soul (Dallas Stewart/BJ Hernandez)

Calzone Lord

04-28-2013 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 925669)

5/4: KENTUCKY DERBY -- CURRENT FIELD -- SUNDAY (4/28)

1. Orb (Shug McGaughey/Joel Rosario)
2. Verrazano (Todd Pletcher/John Velazquez)
3. Goldencents (Doug O’Neill/Kevin Krigger)
4. Java’s War (Ken McPeek/Julian Leparoux)
5. Overanalyze (Todd Pletcher/Rafael Bejarano)
6. Revolutionary (Todd Pletcher/Calvin Borel)
7. Lines of Battle (Aidan O’Brien/Ryan Moore)
8. Vyjack (Rudy Rodriguez/Garrett Gomez)
9. Will Take Charge (D. Wayne Lukas/Jon Court)
10. Itsmyluckyday (Eddie Plesa Jr./Elvis Trujillo)
11. Govenor Charlie (Bob Baffert/Martin Garcia) -- Doubtful
12. Black Onyx (Kelly Breen/Joe Bravo)
13. Palace Malice (Todd Pletcher/Mike Smith)
14. Normandy Invasion (Chad Brown/Javier Castellano)
15. Frac Daddy (Ken McPeek/V. Lebron)
16. Mylute (Tom Amoss/Rosie Napravnik)
17. Oxbow (D. Wayne Lukas/Gary Stevens)
18. Falling Sky (John Terranova/Luis Saez)
19. Charming Kitten (Todd Pletcher/Edgar Prado)
20. Forty Tales (Todd Pletcher) -- Doubtful
-----------------------------------------------------------------
21. Winning Cause (Todd Pletcher) -- Doubtful
22. Code West (Bob Baffert) -- Questionable
24. Golden Soul (Dallas Stewart/BJ Hernandez)

Who is next after Golden Soul?

Kasept

04-28-2013 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 925676)

Who is next after Golden Soul?

Tain't none..

The Midnight Lucky suggestions are flying after the work today..

Calzone Lord

04-28-2013 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 925679)

Tain't none..

The Midnight Lucky suggestions are flying after the work today..

What if Midnight Lucky and Dreaming of Julia both enter ... rock, paper, scissors?

lemoncrush

04-28-2013 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 925682)

What if Midnight Lucky and Dreaming of Julia both enter ... rock, paper, scissors?

Midnight Lucky isn't even nominated, is she? I know Julia is

Kasept

04-28-2013 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemoncrush (Post 925684)

Midnight Lucky isn't even nominated, is she? I know Julia is

No.. Midnight Lucky not nominated...

Kasept

04-28-2013 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 925682)

What if Midnight Lucky and Dreaming of Julia both enter ... rock, paper, scissors?

:D

Non-restricted stakes earnings would be the decider if non-point earners vie for that 20th slot should it be available... As mentioned, Midnight Lucky suggestions was hyperbolic as she's not nominated.

Kasept

04-28-2013 10:33 AM

With 20th slot in #kyderby field possibly opening up, Paul Aguirre told CD this a.m. that Tiz a Minister should STILL be listed as possible. With Govenor Charlie, Winning Cause, Code West increasingly doubtful, current leaderboard has room for 19. Tiz a Minister & 20. Golden Soul..

Scav	04-28-2013 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 925693)

Wow...Horse couldn't win a statebred stake yesterday yet they want to try him in the Derby off of 7 days rest. :rolleyes:

Kasept

04-28-2013 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 925694)

Wow...Horse couldn't win a statebred stake yesterday yet they want to try him in the Derby off of 7 days rest. :rolleyes:

Aguirre simply told Darren Rogers not to take him off the list yet.. And they said all along that would run in the Snow Chief with potential to come back for Derby if a slot opened. In fairness to him about yesterday, he had no chance with those early fractions.

Alabama Stakes

04-28-2013 10:51 AM

makes the whole points thing pointless.....in 2013

lemoncrush

04-28-2013 11:01 AM

Surprised Dale Romans doesn't have anyone on the Churchill grounds that he would throw into the mix...although he really didn't make any noise at all this spring in the 3-year old division.

Maybe Nick Zito (AKA..nowhere to hide) would fly someone in.:)

But seriously...I certainly wouldn't complain if we only had 18 or 19 starters.

Alan07

04-28-2013 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 925694)

Wow...Horse couldn't win a statebred stake yesterday yet they want to try him in the Derby off of 7 days rest. :rolleyes:

horse is extremely overrated.

Sightseek

04-28-2013 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 925682)

What if Midnight Lucky and Dreaming of Julia both enter ... rock, paper, scissors?

spock!

(Big Bang Theory reference :o )

rpncaine

04-28-2013 11:13 AM

:tro:

Actually you forgot the "lizard" part.

Alan07

04-28-2013 03:30 PM

Hollywood Park stable notes list Martin Garcia riding Liason Saturday at Hollywood, which probably give a very good indication that Govenor Charlie is coming out in the coming days, and no follow up on Tiz A Minister was given.

http://betfairhollywoodpark.com/news...s-at-churchill

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