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Indian Charlie 10-19-2010 09:15 PM

Girls beating the boys happens more on turf because it's tried about 10x more on turf here.

Dahoss 10-19-2010 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 708879)
How many graded winners total has she run against this year?

Total for the year 10

In the Santa Margarita- 3

Made For Magic wasn't a graded winner before she faced Zenyatta, but has since won the grade 2 Milady at Hollywood
Pretty Unusual won the grade 2 El Encino in Jan '10
Striking Dancer won the grade 2 La Canada in Feb '10

In the Apple Blossom- 3

War Echo won the grade 3 Silverbulletday in Feb '09
Just Jenda was a multiple graded stake winner last year and this year
Be Fair won the off the turf grade 3 Lake George in Aug '09

In the Vanity- 2

Zardana won the grade 2 Bayakoa in Dec '09
St Trinians won grade 2 Santa Maria Feb '10

In the Clement Hirsch- 1 (sort of) Made For Magic was in the race

In the Zenyatta Stakes- 2

Switch won the grade 2 Hollywood Oaks June '10
Satans Quick Chick won grade 2 Raven Run October '09

RockHardTen1985 10-19-2010 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 708860)
So is this the, "they could have come to her house if they wanted" defense again?

It is true though. Those are G1's out there for real $. No?

10 pnt move up 10-19-2010 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 708877)
Her connections seemed to know.

The designation of grade 1 doesn't necessarily mean that it is a tough field or even a good field. How anyone could argue that the fields she has beaten the majority of her career aren't decidedly sub par is beyond me.

my point exactly. I am knocking your beloved sport and you don't even realize it.

9 straight grade 1 races and never faced a good horse....how does that happen?

RockHardTen1985 10-19-2010 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 708901)
Total for the year 10

In the Santa Margarita- 3

Made For Magic wasn't a graded winner before she faced Zenyatta, but has since won the grade 2 Milady at Hollywood
Pretty Unusual won the grade 2 El Encino in Jan '10
Striking Dancer won the grade 2 La Canada in Feb '10

In the Apple Blossom- 3

War Echo won the grade 3 Silverbulletday in Feb '09
Just Jenda was a multiple graded stake winner last year and this year
Be Fair won the off the turf grade 3 Lake George in Aug '09

In the Vanity- 2

Zardana won the grade 2 Bayakoa in Dec '09
St Trinians won grade 2 Santa Maria Feb '10

In the Clement Hirsch- 1 (sort of) Made For Magic was in the race

In the Zenyatta Stakes- 2

Switch won the grade 2 Hollywood Oaks June '10
Satans Quick Chick won grade 2 Raven Run October '09


Should be 11, where was everyones super horse at Oaklawn?

Dahoss 10-19-2010 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 708904)
Should be 11, where was everyones super horse at Oaklawn?

How many times does someone have to explain it before it sinks in?

RockHardTen1985 10-19-2010 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 708908)
How many times does someone have to explain it before it sinks in?


There is nothing at all to explain, NOTHING. They set this big race up. They both had soft soft preps, they were both odds on. Z ROLLS, AND SHOWS UP. Rachel gets beat, and backs out. Thats not Z or the connections fault. Even a Z hater should admit this as factual.

Dahoss 10-19-2010 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 708909)
There is nothing at all to explain, NOTHING. They set this big race up. They both had soft soft preps, they were both odds on. Z ROLLS, AND SHOWS UP. Rachel gets beat, and backs out. Thats not Z or the connections fault. Even a Z hater should admit this as factual.

If only it were this simple.

RockHardTen1985 10-19-2010 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 708911)
If only it were this simple.

It is, I can admit Z campaign sucks. Yea she should have shipped this year and last. But the specific Oaklawn issue is plain and simple.

Dahoss 10-19-2010 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 708912)
It is, I can admit Z campaign sucks. Yea she should have shipped this year and last. But the specific Oaklawn issue is plain and simple.

No it's not. They felt as though she wasn't where she needed to be to make the race. In hindsight, they were right.

RockHardTen1985 10-19-2010 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 708913)
No it's not. They felt as though she wasn't where she needed to be to make the race. In hindsight, they were right.

IC

westcoastinvader 10-19-2010 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 708877)
Her connections seemed to know.

The designation of grade 1 doesn't necessarily mean that it is a tough field or even a good field. How anyone could argue that the fields she has beaten the majority of her career aren't decidedly sub par is beyond me.


Zenyatta has added about a million to her earnings thus far this year.

If the opportunity is there to pick up "an easy" million, and still be prepping for The Classic, I'd offer the connections might be wise.

10 pnt move up 10-19-2010 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by westcoastinvader (Post 708916)
Zenyatta has added about a million to her earnings thus far this year.

If the opportunity is there to pick up "an easy" million, and still be prepping for The Classic, I'd offer the connections might be wise.

her owners have 100's of millions which blows that usually sound theory.

RolloTomasi 10-19-2010 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by westcoastinvader (Post 708916)
Zenyatta has added about a million to her earnings thus far this year.

If the opportunity is there to pick up "an easy" million, and still be prepping for The Classic, I'd offer the connections might be wise.

...or the organization of the sport is a complete fucl<ing disaster as someone else already suggested on this page.

westcoastinvader 10-19-2010 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 708918)
her owners have 100's of millions which blows that usually sound theory.


True enough, but racing history clocks comparison earnings like baseball fans track lifetime stats.


I think 20-0 and retiring as a 6 year old mare beating the best young boys in The Classic has been the goal for all of 2010.

DaTruth 10-19-2010 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by westcoastinvader (Post 708922)
True enough, but racing history clocks comparison earnings like baseball fans track lifetime stats.

Not necessarily. See Symboli Rudolf.

10 pnt move up 10-19-2010 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 708901)
Total for the year 10

In the Santa Margarita- 3

Made For Magic wasn't a graded winner before she faced Zenyatta, but has since won the grade 2 Milady at Hollywood
Pretty Unusual won the grade 2 El Encino in Jan '10
Striking Dancer won the grade 2 La Canada in Feb '10

In the Apple Blossom- 3

War Echo won the grade 3 Silverbulletday in Feb '09
Just Jenda was a multiple graded stake winner last year and this year
Be Fair won the off the turf grade 3 Lake George in Aug '09

In the Vanity- 2

Zardana won the grade 2 Bayakoa in Dec '09
St Trinians won grade 2 Santa Maria Feb '10

In the Clement Hirsch- 1 (sort of) Made For Magic was in the race

In the Zenyatta Stakes- 2

Switch won the grade 2 Hollywood Oaks June '10
Satans Quick Chick won grade 2 Raven Run October '09

Just out of curiosity who are the grade 1 winners that raced this year other than Zenyatta in socal? Where are these grade 1 winners going to come from to populate the races?

Dahoss 10-19-2010 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 708930)
Just out of curiosity who are the grade 1 winners that raced this year other than Zenyatta in socal? Where are these grade 1 winners going to come from to populate the races?

The answer to your first question has been discussed already. None in socal. For all of the talk about how great it was she shipped to Oaklawn, when you look at the field, not so much.

Where are they going to come from? They aren't going to run in California. But they were at Churchill, Keeneland, Belmont and Saratoga. The best don't wait for others to come to them...they seek out the best.

10 pnt move up 10-19-2010 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 708932)
The answer to your first question has been discussed already. None in socal. For all of the talk about how great it was she shipped to Oaklawn, when you look at the field, not so much.

Where are they going to come from? They aren't going to run in California. But they were at Churchill, Keeneland, Belmont and Saratoga. The best don't wait for others to come to them...they seek out the best.

you got the wrong sport for that

Dahoss 10-19-2010 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 708934)
you got the wrong sport for that

The connections of Goldikova, Gio Ponti and Blind Luck disagree.


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