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Danzig 08-28-2006 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
Foggy and Alex were my two co-favorite horses last year. I loved them both dearly. Foggy got my mother back into the game. For that, I can't thank him enough. He will always have a special place in my heart. I have cried more for Foggy than I even did for Barbaro.

I own a very expensive original painting of Barbaro in which I bought from Pat DeLong this spring after his amazing romp in the Derby. I really thought that HE was our next coming. I didn't even know who Bernardini was at that point. I hope Barbaro pulls through. God knows that I was devastated in the Preakness. As soon as he pulled up, I was balling because I saw just how bad his injury was. Dr. Richardson recently said that his leg looked awesome and had even completely fused in some areas with only a little more fusing left to go in other places. Maybe Bernardini and Barbaro can compete against each other in the shed. Who will produce the first KD winner!?! I hope Barbaro lives to see that.

Here is my painting. Her work is so beautiful and this is a stunning painting in real life. Now, I'll always have a fantastic picture of a great horse and a great rider in a great moment in horse racing. Words do not describe the feeling that this picture gives you. I am very proud of it...

http://www.finalturngallery.com/SmartyJones/barbaorftg

very nice!!

my favorite all time picture, just seemed to capture so much about horse racing and how exciting it can be....sunday silence and easy goer crossing the wire at the preakness. stride for stride.... it's amazing. not the head on, not completely side by side, it's at an angle so you can see them both well.

kentuckyrosesinmay 08-28-2006 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig188
very nice!!

my favorite all time picture, just seemed to capture so much about horse racing and how exciting it can be....sunday silence and easy goer crossing the wire at the preakness. stride for stride.... it's amazing. not the head on, not completely side by side, it's at an angle so you can see them both well.
Thanks, I got lucky enough to stumble across that painting of Barbaro on Ebay. I can't believe that I actually got it. I won't be getting one like that for a long time because my bank needs a long break after that. Check out Pat Delong's other work. It is much better in person. She sells prints, T-shirts of the prints, and totes. You can actually get prints and T-shirts of my painting. Some of her original work may also be for sale. All of her work is beautifully detailed. She is going to become a very big name in the painting industry, at least, when it comes to horses. I also love the painting of Funny Cide and Jose Santos. She has some T-shirts of Man O' War, Barbaro, Ruffian and others for sell right now on Ebay.

I loved Easy Goer and Sunday Silence. That was one of the greatest rivaly's in horse racing ever. That sounds like a really nice picture.

Betsy 08-28-2006 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I'm a lot like you are. I had very similar feelings about this whole situation, like maybe we were dealt that awful blow in the Preakness, because we were going to be rewarded with bernardini. As captivating as he is on TV, I'm telling you he is even more in person. I truly felt like I was watching something special on Saturday, and I had the goosebumps to prove it.
You saw him in person, Da Hoss? Wow, I hope to have the same priviledge on Gold Cup day. I am in awe of this horse - not just for his talent, but because he is the most gorgeous speciman I've ever seen. In addition, he's simply beautiful to watch - what a stride. Seeing Bernardini in the post parade of the Withers really floored me.......I never expected him to look like that. I've heard that the colt looked fresh as a daisy after the Travers - he could probably run 2 miles. How refreshing in this day and age of speed. Plus, he seems very popular with racetrack goers.

I did post after the Jim Dandy that I thought this colt could be a tonic for racing, and I still do. If nothing else, he's certainly stirred things up on racing message boards!

Cajungator26 08-28-2006 10:16 PM
To me, Bernardini looks like a high strung maniac, but that's just me. (Bluegrass Cat does too.) I appreciate the classic thoroughbred appearance and wide set eyes of Barbaro much more so if we're going to be talking about looks. You really can't even compare the two. Barbaro looks the part of a champion IMO.

Cajungator26 08-28-2006 10:17 PM
If this doesn't appear bugged out high strung to you, then I don't know what.

Betsy 08-29-2006 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
To me, Bernardini looks like a high strung maniac, but that's just me. (Bluegrass Cat does too.) I appreciate the classic thoroughbred appearance and wide set eyes of Barbaro much more so if we're going to be talking about looks. You really can't even compare the two. Barbaro looks the part of a champion IMO.
In your opinion, Barbaro is a much better looking horse, but that's not fact. If one wanted to, one could certainly compare the two and say that Bernardini is the epitome of thoroughbred elegance. High Strung maniac is something that comes to mind when I think of Minister's Bid, not Bernardini; I haven't looked at your pictures because what's the point? All thoroughbreds are high strung, yes even Barbaro. I'd venture to guess that you are in the minority when it comes to Bernardini not looking the part of a champion.

kentuckyrosesinmay 08-29-2006 07:53 AM
I'm the conformation analysis expert on this board, and I say that both horses are awesome physical specimens of the Thoroughbred breed. I really don't think one outweighs the other in that department. Both look to be extremely intelligent animals because both have those large wide set eyes, especially Bernardini. Barbaro reminds me of one of the classy all-time great turf types, and Bernardini reminds me of the classy all-time great dirt types. You have to admit that Bernardini's presence, power, build, and movement remind you of those great horses such as Seattle Slew, Affirmed, and Secretariat for those of you blinded by your obvious bias against and dislike of Bernardini. BOTH HORSES ARE AWESOME.

dr. fager 08-29-2006 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
I'm the conformation analysis expert on this board
you forgot self-proclaimed, I'd take my girl Cajun anytime.:eek:

Slewbopper 08-29-2006 07:56 AM
Presently, Barbaro has more earnings because of the Derby purse. Regarding what they have done on the track, Bernie has a very slight edge

Barbaro..2 G1s and 2 G3s
Bernie....2 G1s, a G2, and a G3

Scurlogue Champ 08-29-2006 08:31 AM
Let's just have a horse-petting party and get it over with.

Cajungator26 08-29-2006 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
I'm the conformation analysis expert on this board, and I say that both horses are awesome physical specimens of the Thoroughbred breed. I really don't think one outweighs the other in that department. Both look to be extremely intelligent animals because both have those large wide set eyes, especially Bernardini. Barbaro reminds me of one of the classy all-time great turf types, and Bernardini reminds me of the classy all-time great dirt types. You have to admit that Bernardini's presence, power, build, and movement remind you of those great horses such as Seattle Slew, Affirmed, and Secretariat for those of you blinded by your obvious bias against and dislike of Bernardini. BOTH HORSES ARE AWESOME.
Of course thoroughbreds are high strung. They wouldn't be called hot blooded horses if they weren't. And I'm sorry, but I don't think Bernardini even compares to Secretariat. Seattle Slew... yes, definitely. Both Slew and Bernardini aren't built all that great, but both have run through their lack on conformation. The fact that you even compared Bernardini to Affirmed makes me laugh. I haven't seen a horse with his build and presence since Easy Goer. Talk about being blinded by bias! LOL

BellamyRd. 08-29-2006 08:58 AM
Horses who raced in the derby are coming back to the track now and really asserting themselves, which goes to prove what kind of field it was Barbaro trounced...Showing Up (wins the G1 Secretariart), Lawyer Ron (wins the St. Louis), Bluegrass Cat (wins the G1 Haskell), AP Warrior (wins a stakes race on turf), Point Determined (wins a stakes race), Jazil (wins the G1 Belmont)...
other horses beaten include Brother Derek (G1 Santa Anita winner), Bob and John (G1 Wood winner), Sweetnorthernsaint (IL winner), Sinister Minister (G1 Bluegrass winner)...

eurobounce 08-29-2006 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by BellamyRd.
Horses who raced in the derby are coming back to the track now and really asserting themselves, which goes to prove what kind of field it was Barbaro trounced...Showing Up (wins the G1 Secretariart), Lawyer Ron (wins the St. Louis), Bluegrass Cat (wins the G1 Haskell), AP Warrior (wins a stakes race on turf), Point Determined (wins a stakes race), Jazil (wins the G1 Belmont)...
other horses beaten include Brother Derek (G1 Santa Anita winner), Bob and John (G1 Wood winner), Sweetnorthernsaint (IL winner), Sinister Minister (G1 Bluegrass winner)...
Very very good points. I think everyone has always maintained that the 2006 Derby field was one of the most talented in some time.

Danzig 08-29-2006 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Very very good points. I think everyone has always maintained that the 2006 Derby field was one of the most talented in some time.

i've seen it given the highest praise, that it compares to the field which included iron liege, bold ruler, gallant man and round table. best since then has been said more than once....

prudery 08-29-2006 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
I'm the conformation analysis expert on this board, and I say that both horses are awesome physical specimens of the Thoroughbred breed. I really don't think one outweighs the other in that department. Both look to be extremely intelligent animals because both have those large wide set eyes, especially Bernardini. Barbaro reminds me of one of the classy all-time great turf types, and Bernardini reminds me of the classy all-time great dirt types. You have to admit that Bernardini's presence, power, build, and movement remind you of those great horses such as Seattle Slew, Affirmed, and Secretariat for those of you blinded by your obvious bias against and dislike of Bernardini. BOTH HORSES ARE AWESOME.
There is no conformation analysis in this post . A comparison to three great horses you are " reminded " of which were nothing alike in build says nothing . Which parts of whom are you comparing ?? What turf types do Barbaro look like and how ?? Same for Bernardini . As mentioned, Seattle Slew was not a paragon for the body beautiful . He was awkwardly put together. Conformation people talk of bone, length of cannons, symmetry, joint angles, general correctness which indicates efficiency and soundness . Secretariat was considered by a panel of experts in fields in and out of racing to be a horse whose conformation indicated that he could do anything a sporting horse of any discipline could do---THE horse selected to have this physical makeup---over horses of all breeds . While Bernardini and Barbaro may be fine physical specimens whom you have seen on TV and possibly in still pictures, you give no serious evidence for your comparisons and critiques . Opinion and analysis are very different .

kentuckyrosesinmay 08-29-2006 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by dr.fager
you forgot self-proclaimed, I'd take my girl Cajun anytime.:eek:
I'm not self proclaimed. I am very credible in this department, have many experts who will recommend me, and I have the awards to prove it. I was ranked second in the nation at it when I was 18.

dr. fager 08-29-2006 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
I'm not self proclaimed. I am very credible in this department, have many experts who will recommend me, and I have the awards to prove it. I was ranked second in the nation at it when I was 18.
we know as well as literary awards, riding titles, expert on police brutality....

get a sense of humor

Coach Pants 08-29-2006 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by dr.fager
we know as well as literary awards, riding titles, expert on police brutality....

get a sense of humor
She might be blonde. Cut her some slack.

paisjpq 08-29-2006 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
I'm not self proclaimed. I am very credible in this department, have many experts who will recommend me, and I have the awards to prove it. I was ranked second in the nation at it when I was 18.
is there anything more off-putting than a person who is constantly announcing how wonderful he or she is?
--I will bet my house that you have not been up close to either of these horses and that television is not shot for conformation analysis.
What they do with what they have is not the same as truly deconstructing the horse to assess him.
I believe that you do know your game and judging but remember you are only ranked second among those who COMPETE and there are MANY MANY people who are just as good or better than you are who don't.


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