Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 645902)

John Shirreffs is a terrific trainer and seemingly a nice guy but he has now provided us with two incredibly stupid statements in the last month regarding where Zenyatta will run.

NT

Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 645919)

I don't look to trainers (or jocks or owners) for intellectual stimulation. Shirreffs has this mare 17 for 17. That and showing up in the BC is enough for me. When ANYTHING that has run to this point in time this year does something NOVEL, something Horse of the Year novel, someone wake me up.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 645920)

So, running a 3YO filly in the KY Oaks, Preakness, Mother Goose, Haskell and Woodward, as part of an eight race campaign, isn't novel.......but running five races, four against cupcakes, with one tough race is novel.

I got so much to learn about this game.

Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 645934)

That was last year. Let the aforementioned filly show up this year and we can discuss this again. I'm sure the Z camp will probably reevaluate, should this happen. If they're giving this year's award for last year's performance, then maybe they can also take away last year's award based on this year's performance. Seems only right to me.:rolleyes:

I mean, let's face it, even if Z beats the high Beyer numbering RT, Mike the EUNUCH and his group would still want to see a high Beyer on dirt. So, the argument still remains for the cultists. He gains NADA by beating RT.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 645882)

It's time to heed the advice of others....and where better to start than SCUDS.

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 645902)

John Shirreffs is a terrific trainer and seemingly a nice guy but he has now provided us with two incredibly stupid statements in the last month regarding where Zenyatta will run.

NT

Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 645943)

SCUDS are u a shrink or something? cause THAT would be scary!! ;)

Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 645942)

Let me take an additional moment to put SCUDS back on ignore. Clearly, he's not taking his meds and feels the need for unsolicited attention.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER (Post 645939)

This is a subtle use of a defense mechanism known as cognitive dissonance.
By diminishing the stature of the messenger – the narcissist minimises the impact of the disagreement or criticism on himself. He did it more strongly last night with Fat Man:

""Yes, I was wrong about Rail Trip. Happy? I doubt it....as you are as miserable as they come."

Now, after he did that, he quickly changes the subject:

"Now, that we have gotten past that, try to actually make one post that is related to the actual discussion. Surely you can do this once."

This is a double shift. When forced to admit something he doesn't like, he makes a definite effort to shift attention away from himself.

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 645947)

Unfortunately, this one is dumber.

"All options are open," Asmussen said. Under the heading "Next Start Undecided".

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 645961)

What I find exceedingly tedious about this entire protracted discussion is that the bc is being used as the only measure of these two horses total worth in '09. Zenyatta gets a pass for an otherwise uninspiring year because she won. Rachel is vilified because altho she had an exceedingly rare campaign for a 3 year old filly, she skipped the bc. Its unbelievable and defies logic. And somehow, were rachel to manage to win the bc this year, I imagine the zenyatta booster club would be less enthused then thhey were last year.

As for hoy this year, neither mare has done anything thus far to warrant being included on the ballot.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 645943)

SCUDS are u a shrink or something? cause THAT would be scary!! ;)

Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 645981)

My blood sugar is a low so I've gone a little nuts and decided that those of us head over heels for both mares need a nickname. How about "RAZen"s? You know, like the shriveled up fruity snack? Much better than Brangelina. Yeah I'm a dork. You're welcome. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go eat something...I'll leave you with my pre-typed babble.



Yeah at the rate they're going, neither one has achieved your typical HOY accomplishments. I know they think Zenyatta is God's gift to horse racing (she kind of is--not my point), but could they just play a tape of her winning races on synethetic in CA against the females, emerging victorious right at the end, and let the horse herself hang out in the pasture? She doesn't even need to be there, we could just hit replay. I got my hopes high from the trip to Oaklawn, I guess. Rachel's lack of pizazz despite putting up decent numbers/races for any other horse doesn't perk things up either. I'm in a funk--c'mon Super Saver. I love Preakness time because you sneeze post-Derby and you're right there at another TC race. Nice and exciting.

Right now, I think they're keeping that record in mind. Again, I don't blame them, it just doesn't do me any favors. Rail Trip's not the highest mountain. I know that remark about weights is probably a loaded comment meant to discourage giving her too much, otherwise they go elsewhere. To get Z in the Vanity, they're gonna give her less than she warrants. Whatever you think about handicap races, if you take a 17 hand undefeated phenom beating up on the same quality of field and it's her own gender, there's no reason to give her less than 130. It's ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 645962)

Steve, are you now trying to psycho analyze yourself by quoting your own post?

I know, I know.

I'm sure you have a label for me.

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 645994)

He stayed in a holiday inn express last night.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER (Post 646026)

4th effort to attack the messenger.