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sdjcom 05-07-2009 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
I could make the exact opposite argument. He's been riding the filly all along. He's been on her for the past 6 months. He's ridden her 5 times. He picked up the mount on MTB at the last minute and he's ridden him only once. Why would CB have more loyalty to MTB than RA? RA has been his mount for 6 months. He should stick with RA.

the horse was sold to other connections,and they want to run her in preakness why, no chance for TC, can't be the money. JJ is just an egotistical limelight sucker fish .

sdjcom 05-07-2009 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I don't know, I asked the question yesterday and it's been asked about 10 times since then. Certainly an insider such as yourself understands the way this game works. You do what you can to win. People are acting like Borel owes these people something. He doesn't.

i do understand it's business and Borel has to think of no 1, but i'm old school and a deal is a deal, because the original owners sold herBorel should have stayed with MTD, and the owners did'nt care if Asmussen uses Borel or not.

IrishofNDMan 05-07-2009 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
How about if Mine that Bird wins the Preakness and Rachel doesn't run back in the Belmont. Would you consider riding Borel back in the Belmont or stick with the winning Preakness rider? Or try to really make a footnote in history and be the first TC winner with three different riders lol?

I'd think they would say F-Calvin and stick with the preakness winning jockey.

sdjcom 05-07-2009 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan
I'd think they would say F-Calvin and stick with the preakness winning jockey.

you just might be right, i don't think RA is a gimme. She has beaten only fillies has had it her way, and beat nobody by 20 lenghts la-tee-da, she can be beat by this group, so let's hear it.

gales0678 05-07-2009 06:19 PM

if RA is this good , it shouldn't matter who riders her , i know steve talked about it earlier already , but surely if this is the greatest filly as people on here have said , any jock s/b to ride her and win next sat .... this thought came from my old bud -

as my old friend dixie porter used to say the horse makes the jock

sdjcom 05-07-2009 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
What deal? By riding MTB in the Derby, did he agree to ride him forever?

come on Hoss he had no mount, he agreeds to ride in derby gets his win and now wants to bale out on their chance for a TC ? To ride a so-called sure thing in RA? he has no commitment to new owners when filly was sold

Danzig 05-07-2009 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
In all honesty folks, Calvin Borel was and is a very ordinary rider right up until last weekend. Really this is not as big a deal as it will no doubt be reported.


rachel is a tyrant with her exercise rider, but they said she relaxes for calvin and does what he tells her. i'd have kept him too.

IrishofNDMan 05-07-2009 06:23 PM

This may sound stupid because the value of the preakness, but what are the chances that someone says screw JJ for buying RA and does whatever they can do to ensure that RA has a hell of a time winning the preakness, kind of what they did to Smarty Jones.

gales0678 05-07-2009 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan
This may sound stupid because the value of the preakness, but what are the chances that someone says screw JJ for buying RA and does whatever they can do to ensure that RA has a hell of a time winning the preakness, kind of what they did to Smarty Jones.

bailey is will be in baltimore next sat , who knows maybe he comes out of retirement:eek:

sdjcom 05-07-2009 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I don't think she's a sure thing. She might be a great play against depending on the entries, etc. But I don't understand what is so difficult here. Borel has no loyalty to MTB and he owes his connections nothing. It's probably the other way around, because if Borel doesn't ride him the way he did, I don't think MTB is in the winners circle.

:wf good luck on preakness

Riot 05-07-2009 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
In all honesty folks, Calvin Borel was and is a very ordinary rider right up until last weekend. .

What's Borel's ROI for straight win bets?

MaTH716 05-07-2009 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom
Well they sell the horse out from under him, he has a shot to win triple crown(yes i said a shot not sure thing). MTB people trusted in him and he got another Derby under his belt, A triple Crown Bid and he sells out the Bird people, i'm disappointed he didn't stick by his guns and stay on Bird. The filly is great but it's a matter of principle. Has any jockey in history come off a horse by choice who was alive for TC? Borel will live to regret this no matter how many he wins with RA. Cheap shot by him, but i know it's a business, but TC try means more to me than riding a Super Filly. He may never get another shot @ TC and besides, those two derby rides he won i think he's no better than many other jockeys. Calvin Borel no class and a sell-out imo.

Come on Stan, it's not like he's jumping off a horse that was even considered a contender for the Kentucky Derby, let alone the triple crown. Reguardless of whichever horse Borel ends up on, the Mine that Bord people should be indebted to Calvin for the rest of his life. Calvin gave that horse the ideal trip and put him in a spot where he could win. If it wasn't for Calvin they would probably be on the way back to Sunland park.
As far as his kentucky Derby wins, I disagree with you. Those were two money rides he gave both times he's won the derby. One with a favorite and one with a bomb. He proved that he's a big game jock and he should have mounts in that race for years to come. He will have another chance at TC down the road. But right now he has a chance to go into the books with a filly that might eventually be considered a legend one day.

2Hot4TV 05-07-2009 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom
If you can't see my point he has more to lose giving up aTC bid than riding RA, what happens if MTB pulls it off? Borel will be a laughing stock, if he loses on MTB then people will say he keeps his word and can be counted on, imo it's a matter of principle.

Mind the Bird isn't going to pull it off and lightning doesnt strike in the same place twice. Borel made a money making choice.............

King Glorious 05-07-2009 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan
This may sound stupid because the value of the preakness, but what are the chances that someone says screw JJ for buying RA and does whatever they can do to ensure that RA has a hell of a time winning the preakness, kind of what they did to Smarty Jones.

Sort of like what Woody Stephens had Pat Day do to Winning Colors back in 1988. She still finished a respectable third. Forty Niner was nowhere to be found.

sdjcom 05-07-2009 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
Mind the Bird isn't going to pull it off and lightning doesnt strike in the same place twice. Borel made a money making choice.............

After what happened last Saturday at Churchill, anything is possible, and i believe MTB just might moved up again off that effort, and not bounce. not saying he will win just he will give a good account of himself, it wasn't just the inside ride, the horse has some talent.

mark2061mn 05-07-2009 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
da hoss when was the last time the derby winner didn't have his winning jock on him in the preakness?

From the DRF:

No jockey has ever taken off a Derby winner to ride a different horse in the Preakness. The last time a jockey abandoned a Derby winner for his next race was in 1985, when Angel Cordero Jr. gave up a mount on Spend a Buck in the Jersey Derby in order to ride Track Barron in the Metropolitan Handicap the same day. In 1945, Eddie Arcaro won the Derby on Hoop Jr., but Al Snider rode Hoop Jr. one week later in the Preakness, when Arcaro opted to ride that day at Belmont Park.

blackthroatedwind 05-07-2009 07:11 PM

I don't have the patience ( or interest ) to read this entire thread, so forgive me if I'm repeating what has already been said, but I think it is a big mistake if they run Rachel Alexandra in the Preakness. To run her in a race she wasn't pointing for, so quickly after purchasing her, is a recipe for disaster. What's the hurry? If they really want to run in the TC then wait for the Belmont. Or else, run her in the Acorn or Mother Goose......and then the Whitney. Who exactly are the tigers she should be so worried about in there? Plus, it's four weeks before the Travers if they want to go there as well.


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