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declansharbor 05-15-2009 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
They might. Vulvachick and Farmar can't hit the side of a barn. I wish they would both retire and free up some money for the team...or get sex changes and play for the Sparks.

yea, what is up with that??? I have friends that would've had a better series than him. A far cry from last year's playoffs.

I'm eager to see how game 7 plays out. The table is set for Kobe to work some of his magic. He'll have to do it with Battier's hand in his face though. They'll have to pressure Brooks a hell of alot more than they've been if they want a crack at Denver.

Coach Pants 05-15-2009 12:46 PM

I don't know what's going on with them. My guess is that team chemistry is all f.ucked up because you have a pacifist douchenozzle for a coach who rode the coattails of Jordan and Shaq and you have a narcissist star player with control issues who chews out his teammates. And when the teammates look for the coach to put the star player in check he plays the p.ussy buddhist route by not taking sides and lets them down in the process.

They need a bully coach who will take sides with Kobe and a bunch of followers who won't get moody when they don't get their way.

ateamstupid 05-15-2009 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I guess it would be better if Kobe stood on the sideline and made ridiculous faces at the other team and talked sh.it from the bench.....as opposed to actually in the game like the rest of the players in the NBA do.

He wouldn't do that, because then who would he throw sneaky elbows at? :D

NTamm1215 05-15-2009 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
I don't know what's going on with them. My guess is that team chemistry is all f.ucked up because you have a pacifist douchenozzle for a coach who rode the coattails of Jordan and Shaq and you have a narcissist star player with control issues who chews out his teammates. And when the teammates look for the coach to put the star player in check he plays the p.ussy buddhist route by not taking sides and lets them down in the process.

They need a bully coach who will take sides with Kobe and a bunch of followers who won't get moody when they don't get their way.

I agree...the chemistry looks like its gone. The clips of Kobe getting in everyone's face were very telling as was Jackson's press conference where he basically said, "oh well, it's only a game."

It looks like Bynum HATES Kobe. About four different times this series they've showed the Lakers bench when Kobe makes a great play and half of them either intentionally look away or just clap once and that's it.

I think the Rockets will lose Game 7, but as a fan I am pleased with their season. I'm tired of saying imagine what'd happen if Yao stayed healthy but they've clearly become a much better team when he's hurt thanks to one of the best front office guys no one knows about.

NT

pgardn 05-15-2009 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I agree...the chemistry looks like its gone. The clips of Kobe getting in everyone's face were very telling as was Jackson's press conference where he basically said, "oh well, it's only a game."

It looks like Bynum HATES Kobe. About four different times this series they've showed the Lakers bench when Kobe makes a great play and half of them either intentionally look away or just clap once and that's it.

I think the Rockets will lose Game 7, but as a fan I am pleased with their season. I'm tired of saying imagine what'd happen if Yao stayed healthy but they've clearly become a much better team when he's hurt thanks to one of the best front office guys no one knows about.

NT

McGrady and his lack of leadership and horrible defense
has been a bigger factor imo. McGrady does not fit on this
blue collar team.

The Lakers do not appear to be having fun.
Look at the other benchs on these playoff teams,
they are jumping up and down and yelling, waving
towels. The Lakers mostly sit there. Looks like
they think playing is a chore.

Cannon Shell 05-15-2009 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Its interesting that delonte west is considered a "good nba player" and Trevor Ariza is a "bum". Or derek fisher is a "bum".

And, Kobe Bryant, is just a "really good nba player".

LOL. Objectivity is definitely a strong suit.;)

You really think Ariza or Fischer are as good as West? Seriously? I happen to be a Knicks fan but if you think that either is close to West your objectivity may not be in question but your sanity certainly would.

Ariza is a limited player. Fischer is just old. I know his glowing stat line from this years playoffs (7 points and 2 assists per) may dazzle you and his defense is Loyola Marymountesque but those intangibles that he brings to the table along with that 7% 3 point shooting during the current series totally tilt the table in his favor.

dalakhani 05-16-2009 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
You really think Ariza or Fischer are as good as West? Seriously? I happen to be a Knicks fan but if you think that either is close to West your objectivity may not be in question but your sanity certainly would.

Ariza is a limited player. Fischer is just old. I know his glowing stat line from this years playoffs (7 points and 2 assists per) may dazzle you and his defense is Loyola Marymountesque but those intangibles that he brings to the table along with that 7% 3 point shooting during the current series totally tilt the table in his favor.

Ariza is a much better defender than Delonte west will ever dream of being. He is longer and more athletic. Both are very mediocre offensively. What is the big difference? Ariza, at 6 7, can legitimately cover three positions. Regardless of whom you favor, they are about the same level of player.

And why the hell are we debating the merits of career 10 ppg scorers? LOL

dalakhani 05-16-2009 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
McGrady and his lack of leadership and horrible defense
has been a bigger factor imo. McGrady does not fit on this
blue collar team.

The Lakers do not appear to be having fun.
Look at the other benchs on these playoff teams,
they are jumping up and down and yelling, waving
towels. The Lakers mostly sit there. Looks like
they think playing is a chore.

The funny thing is Tmac could play defense when challenged. He use to do a pretty darn good job on Nowitzki.

But that was years and injuries ago and regardless of what it says on his birth certificate, TMAC is quite old for his age.

King Glorious 05-16-2009 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
The funny thing is Tmac could play defense when challenged. He use to do a pretty darn good job on Nowitzki.

But that was years and injuries ago and regardless of what it says on his birth certificate, TMAC is quite old for his age.

A lot of smaller guys that are athletic give Nowitzki problems because he's not physically dominant. If you are athletic with long arms, you can give Dirk problems. McGrady should never be considered a good defensive player and that's sad because he could have been. Guys like James, Bryant, Wade, and McGrady could all be great defenders because they have the physical abilities. But it takes the mental desire to want to be. Jordan had it. Bryant used to have it. James has it now.

pgardn 05-16-2009 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
The funny thing is Tmac could play defense when challenged. He use to do a pretty darn good job on Nowitzki.

But that was years and injuries ago and regardless of what it says on his birth certificate, TMAC is quite old for his age.

Quite a few offensive superstars decide to play D when they are
shown up. But as far as consistency and helping, forget
it.

Cannon Shell 05-16-2009 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Ariza is a much better defender than Delonte west will ever dream of being. He is longer and more athletic. Both are very mediocre offensively. What is the big difference? Ariza, at 6 7, can legitimately cover three positions. Regardless of whom you favor, they are about the same level of player.

And why the hell are we debating the merits of career 10 ppg scorers? LOL

Wow. Delonte West basically puts the collar on Joe Johnson and Rip Hamilton and some guy the Knicks deemed expendable is a much better defender? The guy who is the primary small defender on the best defensive team in the NBA? West is head and shoulders above Ariza as a complimentary offensive player.

dalakhani 05-16-2009 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Wow. Delonte West basically puts the collar on Joe Johnson and Rip Hamilton and some guy the Knicks deemed expendable is a much better defender? The guy who is the primary small defender on the best defensive team in the NBA? West is head and shoulders above Ariza as a complimentary offensive player.

"Someone the knicks deemed expendable"-

Are you joking? You are talking about an Isaiah Thomas move. Thats like saying that Ben Wallace was worthless because the Wizards (and orlando for that matter) deemed him expendable. Its even more funny when using that to compare him to Delonte West...a guy who was deemed expendable by a team THAT NO LONGER EXISTS.

Delonte isnt head and shoulders above anyone as a scorer in the NBA besides Ben Wallace. He is a career 11 ppg scorer. Come on.

dalakhani 05-16-2009 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
A lot of smaller guys that are athletic give Nowitzki problems because he's not physically dominant. If you are athletic with long arms, you can give Dirk problems. McGrady should never be considered a good defensive player and that's sad because he could have been. Guys like James, Bryant, Wade, and McGrady could all be great defenders because they have the physical abilities. But it takes the mental desire to want to be. Jordan had it. Bryant used to have it. James has it now.

You are going to mention Lebron james as an on the ball perimeter defender in the same breathe as Kobe and MJ in their respective primes?

Surely you jest.

King Glorious 05-16-2009 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
You are going to mention Lebron james as an on the ball perimeter defender in the same breathe as Kobe and MJ in their respective primes?

Surely you jest.

I don't know where you read that. Let's take it further. Not only did I not put LeBron at their level but I don't put Kobe at MJ's level. That is not what I said. I said they all share one thing in common and that is a desire to want to be the best defender. That is not the same as saying they have the same ability when they play their best.

dalakhani 05-16-2009 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I don't know where you read that. Let's take it further. Not only did I not put LeBron at their level but I don't put Kobe at MJ's level. That is not what I said. I said they all share one thing in common and that is a desire to want to be the best defender. That is not the same as saying they have the same ability when they play their best.

Okay...sorry. I disagree about Kobe not being at Jordan's level. In some ways, i think Kobe was better. He didnt play passing lanes like MJ and he wasnt as physical but in my opinion he was more versatile. Kobe could defend an allen iverson one day and a tracy mcgrady the next.

pgardn 05-16-2009 08:41 PM

The Olympics made it very clear Kobe can
defend. When he wants to. He can be totally
disruptive on PG's all the way to 3's. But
on the Lakers in the playoffs, he does not have the luxury of
sitting out major parts of the game. The Laker guards
absolutely stink so far. The have no point. Kobe is
in a bind.

Lebron has Mo Williams and West. That helps a hell of a lot.
Two guys that can handle the ball and score.

dalakhani 05-16-2009 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
The Olympics made it very clear Kobe can
defend. When he wants to. He can be totally
disruptive on PG's all the way to 3's. But
on the Lakers in the playoffs, he does not have the luxury of
sitting out major parts of the game. The Laker guards
absolutely stink so far. The have no point. Kobe is
in a bind.

Lebron has Mo Williams and West. That helps a hell of a lot.
Two guys that can handle the ball and score.

True all the way aroud. the laker guards have played horribly and faster guards are going to give them problems.

But...things change fast in the nba and matchups make teams look better or worse.

pgardn 05-16-2009 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
True all the way aroud. the laker guards have played horribly and faster guards are going to give them problems.

But...things change fast in the nba and matchups make teams look better or worse.

True.
Houston has some very fast PGs.
Denver does not
have this speed.
And truthfully I had no idea Artest could
hold it together this well. Especially after the
Kobe elbow. I thought his mind would explode.

Artest has really surprised me with his ability to
stay somewhat focused. I really judged Artest incorrectly.
He has sort of grown up in my eyes.

Cannon Shell 05-17-2009 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
"Someone the knicks deemed expendable"-

Are you joking? You are talking about an Isaiah Thomas move. Thats like saying that Ben Wallace was worthless because the Wizards (and orlando for that matter) deemed him expendable. Its even more funny when using that to compare him to Delonte West...a guy who was deemed expendable by a team THAT NO LONGER EXISTS.

Delonte isnt head and shoulders above anyone as a scorer in the NBA besides Ben Wallace. He is a career 11 ppg scorer. Come on.

The knicks didnt have a problem with getting rid of players that came back to bite them in the ass. It was the acquisitions that Isiah had trouble with.

PJ Carlisimo is one of the worst coaches in NBA history. Why he didn't play West at his natural position or eventually play him at all is frightening. If you watched the NBA and the playoffs this year and couldnt see that West is a very good player you are either blind or have slipped into the dreaded Scudszone. I just pray the Lakers dont fck it up today or against Denver so you cant weasel out with some hypothetical theory on why Cleveland or West arent worthy.

Cannon Shell 05-17-2009 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
You are going to mention Lebron james as an on the ball perimeter defender in the same breathe as Kobe and MJ in their respective primes?

Surely you jest.

James can guard all 5 positions on the court, Jordan and Kobe certainly couldnt. Since James decided that defense was important and Kobe didnt the comparisons between the two became academic since James is a better passer and rebounder than Kobe. By the way the Kobe/Spike Lee piece of pr trash last night could have been very good had they not told Kobe which game they were going to film so he could have shown the real side of himself instead of that phony bs persona that he is just one of the guys...


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