Originally Posted by Antitrust32

As far as commander in chief goes, just gonna have to agree to disagree with ateam on this. For I think he's just as wrong with his opinion as he thinks I'm wrong with my opinion.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

If you remember Clinton's 'Bridge to the 21st century' acceptance speech at the '96 DNC he ruined it by droning on for minutes about the great future threat of foreign terrorisim.

Much like with Scuds Dodgers obssesion - few people really cared about the subject at the time - and it was vintage Clinton fear mongering .. albeit at levels that have unbelievably been topped by the Chimp.

I'd love to know how Clinton was supposed to stop an ultra high concept, low tech, type of attack that occured 9 months after he left office.

I guess he could have personally captured and killed Osama bin Laden before the plans were made - probably not an easy task considering he's still at helm of Al Qaeda 7 years after the execution of 9/11.

I reffered to bin Laden a couple of times and compared a poster to him in posts at the old AOL Horse Racing board before the attacts on 9/11. A few people who post here remember them - and people seemed to have no idea who the hell bin Laden was at the time.

The USS Cole attack was overshadowed bigtime in the press by what was going in with the Bush and Gore fiasco. I wish Clinton would have tried to use the USS Cole as an excuse to launch an invasion on a random foreign country that had nothing to do with the incident.

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Clinton had all intel coming into him on anything Al-qaida and did nothing.
How about these events?
February 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, possibly with involvement of friendly rival al-Qaida) set off a bomb in the basement of the World Trade Center, killing six and wounding more than 1,000.

Spring 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, the Sudanese Islamic Front and at least one member of Hamas) plot to blow up the Lincoln and Holland tunnels, the U.N. complex, and the FBI's lower Manhattan headquarters.

November 1995: Muslim extremists (possibly Iranian "Party of God") explode a car bomb at U.S. military headquarters in Saudi Arabia, killing five U.S. military servicemen.

June 1996: Muslim extremists (13 Saudis and a Lebanese member of Hezbollah, probably with involvement of al-Qaida) explode a truck bomb outside the Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds.

August 1998: Muslim extremists (al-Qaida) explode truck bombs at U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 and injuring thousands.

What were Clinton's response again?

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

LOL, he started an unnecessary $2 trillion war. That should be end of discussion when it comes to 'commander in chief' chops.

Originally Posted by Crown@club

What were Clinton's response again?

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

the whole fin' country was behind the war when it was started. dems and repubs. More Democrats voted FOR the war than Not for. (I briefly counted 29 dems for, and 23 against). I remember speaking to my friend who works as an arabic translator in the navy b4 the war (and hes a dem) and he told me we will be suprised by the amount of WMD's we will find over there.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...0237&session=2

You wont find Obama's vote cause he was still doing nothing in the state senate.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You're gonna have to backpeddle a little better than this I'm afraid. Look, it's fine that you feel the way you do. We're all different. Just man up and admit it to yourself.

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

The Catholic Church is guilty of those things...I'm with you on that! I said God doesn't smoke..how is that an insight into my thoughts?
The visitor from another country would explain the stilted view stated in his posts,imo! What else ya got? Read slower...you won't miss so much;)

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Clinton had all intel coming into him on anything Al-qaida and did nothing.
How about these events?
February 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, possibly with involvement of friendly rival al-Qaida) set off a bomb in the basement of the World Trade Center, killing six and wounding more than 1,000.

Spring 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, the Sudanese Islamic Front and at least one member of Hamas) plot to blow up the Lincoln and Holland tunnels, the U.N. complex, and the FBI's lower Manhattan headquarters.

November 1995: Muslim extremists (possibly Iranian "Party of God") explode a car bomb at U.S. military headquarters in Saudi Arabia, killing five U.S. military servicemen.

June 1996: Muslim extremists (13 Saudis and a Lebanese member of Hezbollah, probably with involvement of al-Qaida) explode a truck bomb outside the Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds.

August 1998: Muslim extremists (al-Qaida) explode truck bombs at U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 and injuring thousands.

What were Clinton's response again?

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

As any thinking person would surmise, the WMD's were moved to Syria and parts unknown....the entire world believed Saddam had them and wouldn't hesitate to use them

Originally Posted by dalakhani

So the Catholic church has exclusive rights to the crimes listed above? Or is it fair to say that some of the worst crimes committed against mankind have been in the name of _______ religion and described as "missions from God".

Wait a second....where have i heard this mission from God thing?

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

As any thinking person would surmise, the WMD's were moved to Syria and parts unknown....the entire world believed Saddam had them and wouldn't hesitate to use them

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

So this is the part where I say that you are obfuscating the stream of posts
in order to give a rote explanation for the troubles of the world?
Hitlers' treatment of the Jews and the Armenien genocide didn't have much to do with religion!

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You are better than that last sentence...well maybe not, but the last sentence is just dumb.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

the whole fin' country was behind the war when it was started. dems and repubs. More Democrats voted FOR the war than Not for. (I briefly counted 29 dems for, and 23 against). I remember speaking to my friend who works as an arabic translator in the navy b4 the war (and hes a dem) and he told me we will be suprised by the amount of WMD's we will find over there.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...0237&session=2

You wont find Obama's vote cause he was still doing nothing in the state senate.

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Clinton had all intel coming into him on anything Al-qaida and did nothing.
How about these events?
February 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, possibly with involvement of friendly rival al-Qaida) set off a bomb in the basement of the World Trade Center, killing six and wounding more than 1,000.

Spring 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, the Sudanese Islamic Front and at least one member of Hamas) plot to blow up the Lincoln and Holland tunnels, the U.N. complex, and the FBI's lower Manhattan headquarters.

November 1995: Muslim extremists (possibly Iranian "Party of God") explode a car bomb at U.S. military headquarters in Saudi Arabia, killing five U.S. military servicemen.

June 1996: Muslim extremists (13 Saudis and a Lebanese member of Hezbollah, probably with involvement of al-Qaida) explode a truck bomb outside the Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds.

August 1998: Muslim extremists (al-Qaida) explode truck bombs at U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 and injuring thousands.

What were Clinton's response again?

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I stated my case and gave you examples. You agreed with me on one issue I brought up and dodged the other 3. Sometimes the truth hurts.

If you fail to see how the comments YOU made are predjudiced, well there isn't a whole lot else I can do.

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

How doe that not fit with your previous post? Do you disagree about both historical incidents?