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freddymo 03-06-2008 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
He obviously wasn't a big deal based on his purchase price at that sale. My connections at the time certaintly weren't raving over him because they didn't bid on him to my knowledge. (I'm sure they didn't because they would have been able to get him for that price). Of course, something could have come up on the X-rays. I want to see his preview again.

He wasn't ever asked to run, and he had more in the tank. Certaintly he wasn't idling along, but the jockey was holding him back down the stretch. The horse could have given him a lot more. I don't think anyone would argue with that.

This horse is a monster. My record in these things on this board speak for itself. I have never been wrong about a horse's talent on this board. Every horse that I have said was extremely talented off their maiden win has gone on to be multiple stakes winners except for Indyanne and Zada Belle. Hopefully, both will have their chance.


Please let us know how much faster a colt runs when whipped slashed and urged? A tired horse can be urged to extend himself for a few more yards beyond his mental and physical make up a fresh colt loaded with run isnt going to sprout wings because some yahoo jock cracks him on the ass or finishes him out.. Perhap you and or your connections should review less Xrays and watch more race replays....

King Glorious 03-06-2008 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
This horse is a monster. My record in these things on this board speak for itself. I have never been wrong about a horse's talent on this board. Every horse that I have said was extremely talented off their maiden win has gone on to be multiple stakes winners except for Indyanne and Zada Belle. Hopefully, both will have their chance.

I am absolutely sure that if I live to be 1000 years old, I will never read anything funnier than this post here.











Unless she decides to post again.

freddymo 03-06-2008 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
And you wonder why you are the board laughingstock.


You know if she gets together with the 9 for 9 guy they would as FMO likes to say be "perfect together"

philcski 03-06-2008 11:58 AM

104 Beyer for yesterday's performance.

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-06-2008 12:02 PM

Here are horses that I have put up on the board that I picked off of their maiden wins to be good/great horses.

Lady Joanne
Welcome Inn (stakes winner)
Day Pass (stakes winner)
Rags to Riches (only had one reply to that post)(said she was the best filly that I had ever seen off maiden win)
Curlin(said that he was one of the best horses that I had ever seen off maiden win)
Ravel
Zada Belle
Indyanne

You can find all of this information in various posts throughout the years.

I haven't given out that many. Just a few. I don't like to give the horses out anymore because my knowledge in this area isn't appreciated. Now, I only throw one out there every once in awhile. Big Brown=monster. Now watch it all unfold in the next couple of months. Call me a novice all you want to. Just because you say it, doesn't mean it's true. I'm not the one that was completely wrong about Lawyer Ron. I have never been wrong like that about a horse's talent. Winning particular races...yes. But, not with overall talent.

blackthroatedwind 03-06-2008 12:10 PM

Any idiot can see a horse run a fast race and declare " this is a good horse. " That kind of insight is useless.

the_fat_man 03-06-2008 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It's always funny to hear this stuff. What's even funnier is when you hear it from the same nitwits who mistakenly thought that about Bernardini, even though they were repeatedly told they were wrong, only to find out he did in fact run as fast as he could in all his races.

What it really shows is how little they really pay attention to everyday racing where you constantly see horses that appear to be being restrained and yet have nothing when they are theoretically asked to run.

Now, I'm confused. How did we find that Bernie did in fact run as fast as he could in all his races? Based on some of your previous comments that Bernie got a horrendous trip in the BC, I assumed that it would follow that he was good enough to have won with a better timed trip.

freddymo 03-06-2008 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
Here are horses that I have put up on the board that I picked off of their maiden wins to be good/great horses.

Lady Joanne
Welcome Inn (stakes winner)
Day Pass (stakes winner)
Rags to Riches (only had one reply to that post)(said she was the best filly that I had ever seen off maiden win)
Curlin(said that he was one of the best horses that I had ever seen off maiden win)
Ravel
Zada Belle
Indyanne

You can find all of this information in various posts throughout the years.

I haven't given out that many. Just a few. I don't like to give the horses out anymore because my knowledge in this area isn't appreciated. Now, I only throw one out there every once in awhile. Big Brown=monster. Now watch it all unfold in the next couple of months. Call me a novice all you want to. Just because you say it, doesn't mean it's true. I'm not the one that was completely wrong about Lawyer Ron. I have never been wrong like that about a horse's talent. Winning particular races...yes. But, not with overall talent.


You would be my hero if you were able to post maiden winners who BSF are 95 or greater and who are going to be Frogs.. Then I could trim your roses with pleasure...

miraja2 03-06-2008 12:19 PM

Were there a lot of people that were NOT impressed by Curlin's debut?

This is crazy. I am pretty sure that I thought Discreet Cat was going to be good after his debut too. Same with Artie Schiller.

When horses run really fast, you can sometimes recognize that they did so? Congratulations.

Why do you insist on making every thread you participate in about you and your "record?" It is really tiresome and no longer even entertaining.

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-06-2008 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Any idiot can see a horse run a fast race and declare " this is a good horse. " That kind of insight is useless.

That is true. But, not very many can do it when the horses don't run fast times or have that great of Beyers first time out...at least, not that I have ever seen.

This was the case with some of the horses that I named. I threw them out there, and you won't find one horse that I picked out off their maiden win and posted on this board where that horse didn't turn out to be really good.

Where was everyone else saying that Rags to Riches was a great filly off of her maiden win? I had just one reply to that thread. Just one. No one else was even talking about her at the time.

And sometimes good Beyers and fast times don't mean anything first time out. Beyers are often wrong, and tracks often play faster sometimes than others.

blackthroatedwind 03-06-2008 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
You would be my hero if you were able to post maiden winners who BSF are 95 or greater and who are going to be Frogs.. Then I could trim your roses with pleasure...

Or like when I said on my show after Cool Coal Man finished fourth in his debut that he could go on to be a stakes winner.

It is only in seeing what isn't obvious that is useful.

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-06-2008 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Any idiot can see a horse run a fast race and declare " this is a good horse. " That kind of insight is useless.

Who is better in your opinion. Who would you take...Big Brown or War Pass?

Coach Pants 03-06-2008 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
Who is better in your opinion. Who would you take...Big Brown or War Pass?

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kentuckyrosesinmay 03-06-2008 12:36 PM

Come on, BTW, who is going to end up being the better horse in your opinion? It's not that hard...just two horses...War Pass or Big Brown? Take a stand.

freddymo 03-06-2008 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
Who is better in your opinion. Who would you take...Big Brown or War Pass?

OMFG.. Rosie the FN colt won a 7f comeback in stylish fashion and you are mentioning him with WP? Can he beat a graded winner first or how about a two turn race?

Coach Pants 03-06-2008 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
Come on, BTW, who is going to end up being the better horse in your opinion? It's not that hard...just two horses...War Pass or Big Brown?

War Pass.


I'm a shark...

freddymo 03-06-2008 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
War Pass.


I'm a shark...

Chicken of the Sea

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-06-2008 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
OMFG.. Rosie the FN colt won a 7f comeback in stylish fashion and you are mentioning him with WP? Can he beat a graded winner first or how about a two turn race?

The best handicappers can do it quite easily, and BTW is one of the best. It is not that hard to compare horses like these.

And it wasn't a 7f race. It was a mile.

I am challenging him. Let's see who is right.


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