We see things way different. But then, you know that.

Seeing things differently is one thing.....are you aware of the two races Turkoman ran at 7F as a 4YO?

Ironic thread as LITF's half brother, by Speightstown, will be going through the ring very shortly. Hip #176.

What did he work?

A horse like Turkoman would be revered as a racing God now.

Have they ever bred the mare to Lost Soldier again?

10.2

Actually, I was wrong, he won his 4YO debut at 6F....in 108 1/5....closing from about 147 lengths out of it. By the way, he won the Widener in 1:58 3/5 three weeks later. For what it's worth, that was a new track record at Hialeah ( he was last with a half mile to go...and went his final half in 46 4/5 ).

He returned off a layoff to finish a close second to Groovy in the 7F Forego, the track was muddy and Groovy opened up 7 top of the stretch.

No doubt. I loved him.

He's Out, unless my video froze through his sale

I have no reason to believe Youngstown will be all that as a sire..

I'm aware of the Forego. I never saw the other race. From the accounts of it that you just gave, it must have been a good race. But then, was it better than Fog going 1:13 2/5 as a 2yo (with a 1:07 1/5 fraction) at Turf Paradise? Was it better than Fog going 1:07 1/5 (with a 54 1/5 fraction) at Golden Gate? He also ran 1:08's at Gulfstream, Aqueduct, and Belmont to prove that he wasn't just a wonder on the asphalt tracks out West. His race at Calder was close to setting a track record and was faster than the older horses went in the Smile and the Princess Rooney, races which were won by graded stakes winning horses.

Cannon is right though. A horse like Turkoman would be looked at like a God today. Same with Precisionist, who was Ghostzapper before Ghostzapper.

Geez King next you are goingto be telling me how awesome Smokey Stover is because beat Northern Cal's finest

I don't get it.

kitten's Joy as a 3yo?

The bottom line is that since none of these horses ever proved themselves over poly or cushion we can't know how good any of them really were.

LITF beat the clock in No Cal races... He was racing against 50k claimers.. I real don't get why anyone would think the colt was ever special... BTW I Love SJ as well

Ok, now I get it. You are absolutely correct. I had to look through some scattered papers on my desk but I found the memo telling me that Calder, Gulfstream, Aqueduct, Saratoga, Belmont, and Churchill had all been relocated to Northern Cal. My mistake.

Freddy,

Smokey wouldnt have gotten LITF out of a jog

I honestly don't know how you discredit what LITF did as a 3 yr old. He isn't an all time great, but that was a tremendous season. He's certainly not the first horse to run a clunker in the BC (especially a sprinter). He pretty much ran the best 3 yr old sprint races you can run and won them all...all over the country.