Bob what was Phillips thinking seriously spend 100 and go to a washy washy?

Yankee Injunity and Oasis Dancer both out according to TVG

Those sound up like made up names. You sure you aren't confusing the BC with some Playstation game?

Either that or I need to cut my subscription to the DRF and start getting the Racing Post instead.

They might not be spelled right but they were on the pre-entries

Yankee Injunity was in the Turf Sprint
Oasis Dreamer was in the Juv Turf

http://www.drf.com/news/article/108571.html

I found this intriguing... The Rainbow View comment is discouraging. I thought she was one of the top 2,3 in the Ladies Classic, now I might not even use her.

Take those things with a grain of salt. The TVG clowns absolutely trashed Desert Code on "The Works" last year and we all know how that turned out.

Rainbow View might be a sluggish horse in the morning, they're all different.

NT

I know, but a 50k claimer is a 50k claimer, not Music Note who is in career form.

distaff
 

Z runs with the boys for only one reason.

Ducking Careless Jewel. A loss against the females stains her record, a loss against the boys mean nothing.

I want her to go in the Distaff, to fill in the second half of the exacta

That would be lucrative.

You can have all the Careless Jewel you want on that track

This is the DUMBEST **** I HAVE EVER READ ON HERE. Music Note is CLEARLY THE HORSE TO BEAT. Zenyatta ducking Careless Jewel is so far from the truth, shes going to be the morning line favorite in the Classic, and has a huge chance to win.

Suddenly I feel like Music Note has no shot and Careless Jewel is the lock of the entire BC.

I should probably look over the pps though.

I have been looking at them for 2 days now, Music Note is in career form, her 3rd place run last year was better then even the connections expected and they are expecting a much better run this year.

Can you promise that your next handle will be SaeedBinSuroor1985?

NT

Everyone looks at how easy Zenyatta runs and thinks there's more....

That's what they said about Bernardini, and he got run down in the Classic. Sometimes there isn't more and they are already running as fast as they could.

That's especially true when a horse's ears come forward. Sure sign of a horse giving all it has. ;)

Add 2 or 3 lengths to Life Is Sweet in the Hollywood Gold Cup. That's about as good as Zenyatta is. There are a couple who will be better than that in the Classic.

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1) Zenyatta has no shot in the Classic, and if she goes in the Distaff, I'd expect her to get beat

2) I think I might be using Cocoa Beach, I know this is going to rile up the DT members but I just think she is going to run a big race, gut feeling

3) I fully expect Ventura to romp again

4) I think Connie and Michael will be a wise guy horse and shouldn't be touched

5) While I don't really like how Forever Together is coming into the race, I think she will like getting back to a real firm turf

6) California Flag has zero shot, really really focused on Lord Shanakill within the race

7) Zensational: No, Fatel Bullet: No

8) Think Colonel John is going to run a huge race, but not sure if it is enough

Ok.... I have told at least one DT member that I beleive Lord Shanakill has a huge shot, I dont know how that makes you feel, but I will be using in the pick 3's.

I love Forever Together, shes CLEARLY the horse to beat. I fully expect her to run 1 more huge race here.

Colonel John is horrible.

Zensational Cant Cant Cant get beat. Hes the lock single, I always try beating these types, but in this case its a waste of money.

When I did my original top 3 Cocoa Beach was not even in there, as of now, I beleive her and Music Note are the girls 2 beat and I feel confident one of them win.

Zenyatta will run GIGANTIC. She is my choice in the classic, I think after this run people will truly realize her greatness, and I have never been a huge fan of her. I have tryed beating her several times using no name horses.

I think I picked Connie for third in a race, since then I have moved her right off... Way to much, way to soon, I feel Baffert holds the keys in both Juvy races.

How much to get you off Lord Shanakill?

NT

Im not totally on, I will be using with 3 others in the pick 3

Omg, lord shanakil was gonna be my big tip for the weekend!! Back to the drawing board!!

You should probably reconsider the whole weekend.

can anyone tell me the start time for the breeders cup on sat.?:

10:05am California time, 1:05pm for us on the east coast.

Although I love Careless Jewel I have to agree with you vis a vis the pro ride. I would be all over her if it were dirt.

I agree on this one. She really seems to like the Santa Anita surface as well.

There's this long forgotten old handicapping angle called "The Best Horse"

In the Juv Fillies - Connie and Michael is probably the horse who best fits that angle... and the win of hers was at 7 furlongs... not six.

If you remember back to last year ... the horse who came into this race as "the worst horse" was 2nd time starter Dave's Revenge. She finished 4th beaten just 3 lengths by Stardom Bound at 64/1 odds. A nose behind Sky Diva for 3rd place.

You shouldn't forget about her ... because she makes a great trivia question. The question being 'name the horse who ran 4th in a Breeders Cup in just it's 2nd lifetime start ... and was claimed for $16,000 the following summer"

People will instantly think colt ... because any filly who misses 3rd by a nose in a BC race in just it's 2nd start - would figure to have more than 16K residual value as a broodmare prospect.

Her dam sire was Afternoon Deelites .. maybe that 4th was her version of a Hollywood Futurity romp over Thunder Gulch. I don't know.

Anyway, I'm not sure Connie and Michael has to get bet and will be one of the shortest prices.

People will be foolish enough to recall the Forest Music debacle... and FM was a horse who went a record 20.80 at the FT Calder 2yo sale. That was back when that type of preview was unheard of.

This is a totally different kind of horse than a one-way speed crazed stopper like FM.

Facepalm

Careless Jewel is heaven sent for Life Is Sweet.

If you're in the camp that is of the believe that Zenyatta's been made to look extremely ordinary in her last two races because of slow paces ... what does that say for Life Is Sweet - who was the only horse in the race even more disadvantaged than Zenyatta in both instances?

Life Is Sweet is very likely who I will be betting in the Distaff.

Shes ok...

Life is Sweet is Jeff Siegal's sleeper bet of the Distaff for all the reasons you just mentioned, she will be completely forgotten and will be a big price.

In regards to your concern with Ventura and pace, I have watched almost every race there this meet, pace means nothing, it is all about turn of foot on that track

If I am watching the race and I see 25/50 (which would probably be the slowest I have ever seen in a 7f race) I still wouldn't be concerned

I think it's certainly possible that Connie and Michael could end up being the best horse going forward but I want no part of a horse that's being asked to do so much so fast. Even in this day and age where horses are being run in races with fewer preps and more time between races, going 1 1/16 miles on a new surface off of one 7 furlong race just flies in the face of conventional handicapping, in my estimation.

If you were asking this of a horse that was an outsider and you had reason to think they could make this type of leap at a fair price then one might consider it, but Connie and Michael is just not going to offer the value necessary to take such a calculated risk.

NT

If Precious Passion wins, I hope nobody gets on here and writes that he had a perfect trip. I've never seen such a race that is so clear cut. The gates open he opens up a 10 length lead, fill in the blank after that.

stop taking my angles, I made those arguments in her last couple of races and got laughed off the board....that being said it does look to me like the long campaign may have taken something out of her.

Only one prediction to make at this point. Zenyatta wins whichever race she runs in and it's going to be easier than the final margin suggests.

I agree.