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pgardn 06-17-2008 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
They don't need anyone!!! They have KOBE BRYANT!!!! SUPERSTAR!!! BLACK JESUS!!!

He is asked to do way too much.
Farmar cant handle the big time.
Fisher is fine at the 2.

IrishofNDMan 06-17-2008 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
He is asked to do way too much.
Farmar cant handle the big time.
Fisher is fine at the 2.

maybe Denver will be willing to cut ties with Iverson, boy would that be nice.

GPK 06-17-2008 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan
This series really has shown how important Bynum is to this team. The West was suppose to be the dominant conference, but it is actually full of a bunch of soft players.

Hopefully everything stays good with the team in the offseason so they will be ready to go next year.


Kobe is a great individual talent in a game that requires team effort. GREAT players make others around them better, ala Jordan, Bird, Magic. I hate to break your heart kid, but Kobe does not posses that trait. But don't fret, neither does Lebron and these other so called "superstars" in the NBA.

IrishofNDMan 06-17-2008 10:28 PM

I can't believe I'm still watching this. Although Sasha has been one of my favorite players, it's time for him to go.

Get rid of Sasha, Radmonovic, and Odom. Go after a guy like Michael Redd or Josh Howard.

IrishofNDMan 06-17-2008 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I wonder what the Lakers do with Sasha. Before this series his stock was way up. He has been awful this series and really bad defensively.

I actually did not see your post before I started my previous get rid of Sasha post, but he is soft and doesn't know how to play away from Staples. He tries to play hard defense but he just can't.

King Glorious 06-17-2008 10:32 PM

People forget that Bynum was there when they played the Celtics in the regular season and the Celtics bullied him and dominated the Lakers. Maybe having Bynum AND Gasol would have made a big difference here but remember, if Bynum never got hurt, it's doubtful Gasol is there now.

IrishofNDMan 06-17-2008 10:35 PM



click on the top image, the picture says it all.

Coach Pants 06-17-2008 10:36 PM

Lakers aren't going to win a title with Odom.

IrishofNDMan 06-17-2008 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Lakers aren't going to win a title with Odom.

It's good to have a guy that can get to the basket like Odom, but then he gets fouled and is good for 1 of the 2 free throws if that.

pgardn 06-17-2008 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan
maybe Denver will be willing to cut ties with Iverson, boy would that be nice.

No Iverson. He will come in saying Kobe is the man and
just dribble the ball around. He is also really a 2.

Hoss is right Farmar is still young.

A older guy like Billups would help for a year or two.
A younger guy like the backup on Detroit...
The thing is Kobe is not an easy guy to play with.
So might have to be a PG that is already established
in running the show.

They just need to be stronger and smarter than Farmar.
And quicker than Fisher.

Can we get Kent D. to mount the Lakers and wrap them up...

Coach Pants 06-17-2008 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan
It's good to have a guy that can get to the basket like Odom, but then he gets fouled and is good for 1 of the 2 free throws if that.

He's useless. Makes Scottie Pippen look like the greatest player of all time.

IrishofNDMan 06-17-2008 10:40 PM

It's good to see a bunch of career losers like Garnett, Pierce, and Allen finally see what it's like to win something.

GPK 06-17-2008 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan
It's good to see a bunch of career losers like Garnett, Pierce, and Allen finally see what it's like to win something.


Maybe one day Kobe will know what it feels like to win a championship without Shaq....but don't hold your breath, you will be the one with a blue face.

Coach Pants 06-17-2008 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan
It's good to see a bunch of career losers like Garnett, Pierce, and Allen finally see what it's like to win something.

No it isn't.

IrishofNDMan 06-17-2008 10:44 PM

Farmar will be fine at PG for the Lakers, he is young but plays with some swagger and will continue to get better. Another PG they could bring in that I think would work good with this team is Andre Miller. Again, I don't know how realistic this is but it would be nice.

IrishofNDMan 06-17-2008 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
No it isn't.

I know, I tried being nice.

Coach Pants 06-17-2008 10:45 PM

Farmar is a b.itch. There is nothing nice about his game.

dylbert 06-17-2008 10:45 PM

Celtics Win! Celtics Win B-i-g!!!
 
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Originally Posted by dylbert
Celtics in six...

Damn, it is hard to be humble when one is right. And, it is even harder to be humble when Game 6 is astronomical BLOWOUT!

pgardn 06-17-2008 10:45 PM

I thought before this season started the Celtics
could not possibly work with the D.

Rivers had done a great job.

I also agree with Pants. Odom will never play a big role.
He makes a great pass, and then promptly
throws the ball away, loses all his confidence,
and he tries to hide. I swear he does not want
anything to do with the ball at times. The heat
is too much for him. Things dont go well, he
is the first to retreat.

IrishofNDMan 06-17-2008 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dylbert
Damn, it is hard to be humble when one is right. And, it is even harder to be humble when Game 6 is astronomical BLOWOUT!

These same fans were screaming Fire Doc and Fire Ainge all last season, now they act like they have always loved this team and organization.

King Glorious 06-17-2008 10:48 PM

I'm not sure why people keep saying that the Lakers need a point guard. Phil Jackson teams have NEVER had top level point guards on their championship teams. He won what, five of them with Ron Harper playing point guard. Come on guys. Know the game. In that offense, having a top level point guard is not necessary. Phil prefers a big guard that can play some defense. Brian Shaw was a big part for him before.

Coach Pants 06-17-2008 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan
These same fans were screaming Fire Doc and Fire Ainge all last season, now they act like they have always loved this team and organization.

They're just Laker haters. Dylbert is located in Louisiana so he's probably a Hornets fan. I'd be bitter too.

docicu3 06-17-2008 10:50 PM

Team basketball wins championships.... defense and ball movement nothing fancy just effective.

Somebody needs to hand Rivers a cigar he did a fabulous job with Ainge this year.

#17 and counting...

dylbert 06-17-2008 10:52 PM

Will LA fire Phil Jackson (again)? Red Auerbach is firing up his cigar in heaven right now!

IrishofNDMan 06-17-2008 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by docicu3
Team basketball wins championships.... defense and ball movement nothing fancy just effective.

Somebody needs to hand Rivers a cigar he did a fabulous job with Ainge this year.

#17 and counting...

Ainge will just take his pants down and Rivers can smoke on that instead.

dylbert 06-17-2008 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
They're just Laker haters. Dylbert is located in Louisiana so he's probably a Hornets fan. I'd be bitter too.

Who are the Hornets? Celtics fan from days of Havlicek, Bird and "Chief" Parrish...

BLOWOUT COMPLETE... WOOOO HOOOO!!!

WORLD CHAMPIONS AGAIN!!!

IrishofNDMan 06-17-2008 11:01 PM

You know that stupid car commercial they have been showing the whole final series? How much you wanna bet that they show that same commercial again with whoever is the finals mvp in the car.

pgardn 06-17-2008 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I'm not sure why people keep saying that the Lakers need a point guard. Phil Jackson teams have NEVER had top level point guards on their championship teams. He won what, five of them with Ron Harper playing point guard. Come on guys. Know the game. In that offense, having a top level point guard is not necessary. Phil prefers a big guard that can play some defense. Brian Shaw was a big part for him before.

This is a diff. game now.
Teams can play a moving zone.
Double off the ball, whole bunch of stuff.
The role of the PG has evolved.

The number 1 player in the draft is most likely Rose.
When was the last time a PG was taken,
besides Iverson?

BTW. I really believe this was a down year.
These two teams were definitley the best.
But not that good. Rondo leading the Celtics
to victory is like the Ravens QB winning the Super Bowl
for them.

Coach Pants 06-17-2008 11:11 PM

I just can't stand Boston sports teams. They loaded the deck this year in football and basketball. Should be 2 for 2. Just seeing their fans act like they just witnessed the greatest team ever is sickening.

I don't like catholics either.

pgardn 06-17-2008 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
I just can't stand Boston sports teams. They loaded the deck this year in football and basketball. Should be 2 for 2. Just seeing their fans act like they just witnessed the greatest team ever is sickening.

I don't like catholics either.

Maybe having to compete with NY in baseball
has infected the entirety of sports in Boston.
Even though they made that comeback,
its not enough.

I dont like Lutherans... ostentatious bunch.

King Glorious 06-17-2008 11:22 PM

Phil got exposed again. Once again, it's a players league, not a coaches. Last year, no KG and no Allen and they won 24 games. People calling for him to be fired. This year, his mistakes can still be seen but the players were good enough to win the title. Phil, he is, IMO, the most fortunate man in sports history. He's got the nine titles, and to be sure, he's a good coach. But he's not the God they make him out to be. What Phil does is close the job. The Bulls teams that he won with before, those teams were built and taken through the wars by Doug Collins. He advanced them each year and then when they were ready to win it all, Phil came in and won the title. Same thing with the Lakers. Del Harris was steadily progressing that team but they had some tough Utah teams to get past. When they were ready, Phil came in and again played the hero role. But how hard is it to win when you've got the most dominant player in the league on your team and another hall of famer alongside him as he did with Jordan/Pippen and Shaq/Kobe? Phil was out there just throwing any junk at the wall and hoping it would stick. He gets so much credit for the triangle offense. People don't realize that is Tex Winters' offense, not Phil's. And people don't realize that when the going gets tough, they don't even run the offense. They didn't in Chicago and they don't in LA. It's get it to Jordan/Kobe and let him operate. His strength is not in coaching teams that need coaching and teaching. Let me see him take his act to Seattle and do this then I'll give him total credit. His players don't ever know what to expect from him. Chris Mihm can sit for 10 games in a row then he's playing in the second quarter of the finals. Same with Ariza. Leaving Walton on Pierce. Starting Smush Parker all year long then putting Jordan Farmar in to start when the season matters most. I could go on and on. Good but not great. Overrated. Not God.

King Glorious 06-17-2008 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
This is a diff. game now.
Teams can play a moving zone.
Double off the ball, whole bunch of stuff.
The role of the PG has evolved.

The number 1 player in the draft is most likely Rose.
When was the last time a PG was taken,
besides Iverson?

BTW. I really believe this was a down year.
These two teams were definitley the best.
But not that good. Rondo leading the Celtics
to victory is like the Ravens QB winning the Super Bowl
for them.

The role of the pg has changed but that's only if you are talking about they should get a pg to be their dominant offensive player. You don't want a guy that's going to dominate the ball because that's what Kobe's going to do. Same thing with LeBron in Cleveland. You saw the same thing with Pierce here. When it's most important, Pierce was the one doing the main ballhandling.

pgardn 06-17-2008 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Phil got exposed again. Once again, it's a players league, not a coaches. Last year, no KG and no Allen and they won 24 games. People calling for him to be fired. This year, his mistakes can still be seen but the players were good enough to win the title. Phil, he is, IMO, the most fortunate man in sports history. He's got the nine titles, and to be sure, he's a good coach. But he's not the God they make him out to be. What Phil does is close the job. The Bulls teams that he won with before, those teams were built and taken through the wars by Doug Collins. He advanced them each year and then when they were ready to win it all, Phil came in and won the title. Same thing with the Lakers. Del Harris was steadily progressing that team but they had some tough Utah teams to get past. When they were ready, Phil came in and again played the hero role. But how hard is it to win when you've got the most dominant player in the league on your team and another hall of famer alongside him as he did with Jordan/Pippen and Shaq/Kobe? Phil was out there just throwing any junk at the wall and hoping it would stick. He gets so much credit for the triangle offense. People don't realize that is Tex Winters' offense, not Phil's. And people don't realize that when the going gets tough, they don't even run the offense. They didn't in Chicago and they don't in LA. It's get it to Jordan/Kobe and let him operate. His strength is not in coaching teams that need coaching and teaching. Let me see him take his act to Seattle and do this then I'll give him total credit. His players don't ever know what to expect from him. Chris Mihm can sit for 10 games in a row then he's playing in the second quarter of the finals. Same with Ariza. Leaving Walton on Pierce. Starting Smush Parker all year long then putting Jordan Farmar in to start when the season matters most. I could go on and on. Good but not great. Overrated. Not God.

You could be correct.
I have to give Phil credit for working with egos though.
He got Kobe and Shaq to coexist. Del could not.

He got Jordan to tolerate lesser players.
Rodman. He got Rodman to play with Jordan?

And Larry Brown is a great teacher but he has an
inability to get along with talent. Its punched him in
the face a number of times. NBA coaches have to soothe
egos as well as coach.

Again. Props to Rivers. He got that talent to play D
for the first time in their careers in 2 cases.

ateamstupid 06-17-2008 11:41 PM

Drunk, elated, proud.

KG: "What you gonna say now?!"

Enjoy never winning a title without the big man, Cheekbones.

Never a more deserving squad.

Eat it, KG haters. EAT THAT ****.

King Glorious 06-17-2008 11:42 PM

His ability to manage the egos, that is his strength. I give him credit for that and that is very important. I just happen to feel that those teams were going to likely win titles anyway. I don't think it was Del that couldn't get them together. I thought it was a learning process. Teams have to grow up, especially when it's young players. Look at the Pistons. They had to get better each year before finally beating the Celtics back in the 80's. The Bulls had to learn to beat the Pistons. Dallas had to go through some trials before they were able to break through and beat SA more recently. Utah had to get over Seattle in the mid 90's.

I do want to say that I don't think he got Rodman to do anything. Rodman fell in line because he respected MJ, not Phil. Rodman was in line in Detroit when he respected Isiah and Chuck Daly.

ateamstupid 06-17-2008 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Maybe one day Kobe will know what it feels like to win a championship without Shaq....but don't hold your breath, you will be the one with a blue face.

I love you Kev. Career losers my balls. Redfaced words from a bunch of salty bitter girls. Sorry that your idol reverted to what he is: A glorified Vince Carter. Would Mike have ever let this happen? Answer that question before your thong sneaks inside your ass again.

docicu3 06-17-2008 11:44 PM

[quote=Coach Pants]I just can't stand Boston sports teams. They loaded the deck this year in football and basketball. Should be 2 for 2. Just seeing their fans act like they just witnessed the greatest team ever is sickening.

I don't like catholics either.[/QUOTE]


Just appreciate that a much better team beat the Lakers to the point of embarrassment with the same salary cap, draft choices and role players that every other team has access to.

The Celtics haven't won in 23 years there is nothing but dues paid for this championship.

Your other comments have been forwarded to the Pope for further review:D

Coach Pants 06-17-2008 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
I love you Kev. Career losers my balls. Redfaced words from a bunch of salty bitter girls. Sorry that your idol reverted to what he is: A glorified Vince Carter. Would Mike have ever let this happen? Answer that question before your thong sneaks in your ass again.

I didn't see Pippen or Rodman on the court tonight. Stop being utterly ridiculous. A team that was picked by most experts to win it all before the season started won it.

Hooray.


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