What happened with Palace Episode??

He USED to be good.

He was 6th. :(

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart...112307USA9.pdf

Oops

:rolleyes: Okay :p

I wanna know why they kept running him on turf if they apparently knew he was that good on dirt. It is quite a change that the surface has brought out. He was just very moderate on turf, when he raced on it and when he galloped on it at home. As soon as he races on dirt, he's a hit.

Still not getting carried away with him, though. Not a world cup horse in my eyes.

Mate Talking to coolmore today they Hate Darley with a untold passion !!!!
Quote
"Darley clients are different than our clients darley's clients will buy anything they will buy crap as they serve it that way our clients are not worried about the price as they are interested in quality half of darleys stallions shouldnt even be at stud " Unquote

To me it's the great fight.... K Mart Vs Harrods

Who will win at this early stage to me it looks like Darley with it's nose in front:tro:

You only have to look at how Coolmore stallions are doing compared to Darley.

Royal Ascot is the premier meeting in Europe as far as many owners are concerned. So far, Godolphin have had nothing good enough to run in the major races and Coolmore have already scooped two of the major prizes.

Their $11 million dollar yearling purchase makes his debut at Newmarket today as a three year old.

The field...

http://www.timeform.com/godolphinnew...1&racenumber=6

3rd.

Jalil watch... had a workout at keeneland today.

I thought Council Member was gonna win the Irish Derby. Where are those halfs and full to Tempera

Very disappointing on the face of it. He didn't seem to have many gears, very one paced it seemed.

I went to see him in the paddock, nothing special in my eyes. I mean, there was nothing wrong with him but he wasn't the best looking horse I have seen. Makes you wonder what they saw in him to spend $11 million.

He should be better once stepped up in trip, but he's no wonder horse.

Fast Company "will need more time".

I'm getting fed up with Godolphin taking very good horses and ruining them. On all known form, this colt would have really bustled things up in both the English and irish Guineas and would have had a major say at Ascot, but no, he is probably still lame on box rest as we enter the second half of the flat season in the UK.

When are people going to learn that these 'blue coats' are just a joke of an organisation.

There will be those who are too blind to see their own hands who say "they're just having bad luck". If this was a one off, then I could go along with that, but you only have to look at how many horses under their 'care' get injured every year. Usually those they have paid stupid amounts for from other people. Top horses to have setbacks this year already: Creachadoir, Ramonti, Fast Company, Ibn Khaldun, Schiaperelli (sp?) and Rio De La Plata.

How to turn a group horse into a crocked handicapper? Send it to Godolphin, they will have that task completed in a matter of days.

Any Omnicat news?

Not a thing, he was a horse I had completely forgotten about until they showed a replay of his race last year on TV last weekend.

The July sale next week, so I imagine they will be getting rid of many of their crocks.

Didn't have the heart to bump up the Kandy thread but welcome back, Ramonti.

Saturday July 12 2008
Ascot 14:55 - Result
Plymouth Gin Summer Mile Stakes (group 2)
£100000 added, 4yo plus, 1m, Class 1, £56770 penalty,
7 ran

Going: Good to Soft
Winning Time: 1m 42.16s 14:20 14:55 15:25 16:00 16:35 17:10 17:45 Pos. Dr. Dist. Horse Wt Jockey Trainer Age SP
1 2 Archipenko (USA) 9-6 K Shea M F De Kock 4 11/1
tracked leaders, chased leader over 2f out, ridden to lead just over 2f out, ran on strongly under pressure, driven out opened 8/1 £5500-£500
2 7 ¾ Barshiba (IRE) 8-12 T Quinn D R C Elsworth 4 50/1
pulled hard, tracked leader on inside, not clear run over 2f out, switched left over 1f out, stayed on, not troubled winner inside final furlong, took 2nd final strides opened 40/1
3 6 nk Cesare 9-1 J P Spencer J R Fanshawe 7 6/4 f
steadied start, held up last, headway on outside 2f out, stayed on to go narrow 2nd inside final furlong, not reached winner and lost 2nd final strides opened 11/8 touched 5/4 £9000-£6000 £3000-£2000 £1500-£1000 (x5) £600-£400 £1375-£1000 £1100-£800 (x2) £687-£500 £550-£400
4 3 2 Pressing (IRE) 9-6 R L Moore M A Jarvis 5 4/1
held up 6th in touch, headway 2f out, chased winner and effort over 1f out, no extra, weakened inside final furlong opened 11/2 touched 7/2 £2500-£500 £2250-£500
5 1 2¾ Ramonti 9-6 L Dettori Saeed bin Suroor 6 2/1
raced keenly on outside, effort over 2f out, not quicken over 1f out, weakened over final furlong opened 9/4 touched 5/2 £2500-£1000 £1000-£400 (x3) £3600-£1600 £2250-£1000 £1350-£600 £900-£400 (x3)
6 5 2¾ Elusive Warning (USA) 9-1 K McEvoy Saeed bin Suroor 4 20/1
prominent in 5th on inside, not clear run 2f out, not quicken when clear over 1f out, soon weakened opened 16/1
7 4 5 Kandidate 9-1 R Hughes C E Brittain 6 33/1
led until headed just over 2f out, soon weakened opened 40/1

Ibn Khaldun and Fast Company are likely to be out for the rest of the season. Both apparently need "more time" - ffs they have had all season, how much more time do they need.

Fast Company could have been brilliant this year, but yet again the racing fan has been let down by the constant injuries suffered to horses while under the care of the Godolphin banner.

Why can't they keep horses sound for anymore than a couple of months at a time? It's a joke, actually, it's beyond a joke now.

Any word on Dove?

I've not heard anything about her since last year.

On a related note...:)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle4322689.ece

Ramonti out of the Sussex.


Just give up, Godolphin....... stop ruining good horses.

A shame.

From their website...

RAMONTI OUT OF SUSSEX
24 July 2008


Ramonti will miss the BGC Sussex Stakes at Goodwood on Wednesday, July 30 due to a recurrence of a hind leg infection.

Godolphin's Simon Crisford said: “Unfortunately the hind leg infection that kept Ramonti off the track earlier in the year has recurred and he will have to miss his intended engagement next week.

“All future plans are on hold as we do not know how long this situation will take to resolve.”

7 Stars reminder... swap window now open!

I don't think they have seven sound horses, let alone seven stars!

* The Guardian,
* Tuesday July 29 2008

Tonight, Kerrin McEvoy quits Britain and his job as understudy to Frankie Dettori to return to his homeland as Sheikh Mohammed's retained rider. "I am from Australia and this is probably the biggest job for a jockey in Australian racing," he said. McEvoy's identity and future is clear, unlike that of the operation he leaves behind.

Godolphin is not what it used to be - that much we know. It was conceived as a taut, elite squad of fewer than 50 horses that plundered the world's top races. It enjoyed instant success, winning the 1994 Oaks with Balanchine and peaking in 1999 with 18 global wins at the highest level.

Now, it numbers around 200, based in Newmarket, Dubai and America. Since 2004, after abandoning juvenile academies in France and the US, it has included numerous two-year-olds. This annual enlistment has been consciously downsized, averaging at about 80 now - far fewer than the distended years of 2004 and 2005.

That was why, in 2004, there was a job for McEvoy and partly why there are no plans to replace him. The other reason is Godolphin's stagnation. Last year, its worldwide haul of six Group Ones was the lowest for 11 years (although its British tally was the highest since 2004, due almost entirely to one horse, Ramonti).

The median ability of the squad has plummeted. In 2003, Godolphin did not have a single runner in a British handicap. In 2008, this division produces its best strike rate. Its class players are sidelined: Ibn Khaldun and Fast Company indefinitely, Ramonti and Creachadoir perhaps permanently.

Last Saturday, for the first time since its inaugural year, Godolphin did not even have a runner in the King George, a race it has won five times. Dettori rode Campanologist in a Group Two at York instead - and finished second.

Meanwhile, the Coolmore Stud-Ballydoyle stable axis continues to give a master class in how a racing superpower should work. There used to be two horses in this global race. Now it is a walkover. Although the prowess of Aidan O'Brien is impressive, the paucity of resistance to his dominance is to the actual detriment of Britain's top races.

If there is a device to achieving recovery, it will not be precipitated by the prevailing guesses. Simon Crisford, Godolphin's racing manager, rejects both well-intentioned counsel to revert to a smaller squad and, more forcibly, the latest malicious rumour that Saeed bin Suroor will be replaced as trainer, this time by Mark Johnston.

But neither debate nor gossip will cease as long as Godolphin's very evident problems remain. Speculation has now been rife for years. Is it the quality of the bloodstock? Bad purchasing? Intemperate nurturing or injudicious training? Is it connected with the departure of key players, such as Jeremy Noseda and Tom Albertrani?

The only outward concession to this common currency is Sheikh Mohammed's recent huge expenditure on wholesale breeding operations and nascent stallions. The most striking of the latter purchases provide access to some of Coolmore's newly successful bloodlines, originating from stallions he is said to have self-defeatingly forswore.

If this is indeed his only response, it may imply that he believes - or has been advised - that the inadequacy lies within his breeding stocks. Time may show his was a brilliant move, the re-forming of an empire in echo of - and challenge to - Coolmore.

Yet relying as it does on unproven sires, it is not guaranteed to succeed. Either way, it will be a long wait to find out: the first progeny will not race until 2011. It is also something of a gamble that this is the only shadow that falls between ambition and achievement in latter-day Godolphin.

is there any truth to the Mark Johnston rumour?? It'll be sad to see McEvoy as he is such a good jockey and nice pleasant person...plus, it will be interesting to see how Darley Oz gets on. Can they go on and completely dominate the Southern Hemisphere..

EDIT - I just see McEvoy won on his last ride for Bin Suroor on a 1-5 shot and finished 2nd in his last ride in the UK..

There might be some truth in them wanting Mark Johnston, but I can't imagine there being any truth in them getting him. I mean, why would he? Why would anyone?

Anyone who goes there to train get told what to do by people who have no idea how to train a racehorse.

Frankie switches sides...

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/n...ar_Substi.html

... so who gets the Truly Royal mount (Haydock on Saturday)?

I don't think it's right that Frankie should be riding for the English team, especially as he's ridden for the european team in the past.

They won't be winning though. It will be interesting to see how well Baze gets on over here.

I won't even say it. :D

Hey who else is on the Rest of the World team?

Take and Ricardo (sp?) the guy that has ridden the most winners in the world right now.

Yes I know who he is. :D

* * *

In the event anyone cares..... Diabolical on Sunday.




5ème(P/ 728) PRIX MAURICE DE GHEEST , le 10.08.2008, DEAUVILLE
GROUPE I , PLAT, 1.300 mètres ( 142.850, 57.150, 28.575, 14.275, 7.150) Après Part. probables: 31 Engagés. 13 Forfaits. 1 Supplémentaire. 1 Non-Déclaré-Partant. 17 Partants probables. Offre de paris : Classic Tiercé et Trio.

Pour chevaux entiers, hongres et juments de 3 ans et au-dessus. Poids: 3 ans, 56 k. ; 4 ans et au-dessus, 58 k. Versement à la poule des propriétaires: 1.500 à l'engagement ou 15.000 à l'engagement le 7 aout. Un objet d'art sera offert au Propriétaire, ainsi qu'un souvenir à l'Entraineur, au Jockey, au Cavalier d'entrainement et à l'Eleveur du cheval gagnant par FRANCE GALOP.




Horse * Weight Rating Priorité Owner Trainer Purse Rcl
1 astronomer royal usa m.ps. 4 ans P2 58 535 D.SMITH/M.TABOR/MME J.MA AP. O'BRIEN 381.899
2 vertigineux m.ps. 4 ans P2 58 475 MME CAROLE DUFRECHE MME C. DUFRECHE 110.150
3 mariol h.ps. 5 ans P2 58 475 SC FAMILLE VIDAL ROB. COLLET 182.780
4 marchand d'or h.ps. 5 ans P2 58 545 MME JEAN-LOUIS GIRAL F. HEAD (S) 756.546
5 diabolical usa m.ps. 5 ans P2 58 000 GODOLPHIN S. BIN SUROOR 365.034
6 garnica m.ps. 5 ans P2 58 520 LADY O'REILLY/E. MAHER D. NICHOLLS 150.275
7 intrepid jack gb m.ps. 6 ans P2 58 000 MICHAEL T. LYNCH H. MORRISON 92.352
8 balthazaar's gift ire m.ps. 5 ans P2 58 520 MLLE MAHONEY/DE LA WARR LM. CUMANI 142.210
9 jumbajukiba gb h.ps. 5 ans P2 58 000 J.P. O'FLAHERTY MME J. HARRINGTON 265.750
10 tiza saf h.ps. 6 ans P2 58 515 JEAN-CLAUDE SEROUL A.DE ROYER DUPRE 158.906
11 us ranger usa m.ps. 4 ans P2 58 515 TABOR/SMITH/MAGNIER/ALLE AP. O'BRIEN 239.114
12 utmost respect gb h.ps. 4 ans P2 58 000 THE RUMPOLE PARTNERSHIP RA. FAHEY 82.659
13 assertive gb m.ps. 5 ans P2 58 000 LADY WHENT RM. HANNON 142.585
14 belliflore f.ps. 4 ans P1 56,5 450 GUY PARIENTE MLLE SV. TARROU (S) 62.300
15 only answer (gb) f.ps. 4 ans ... (supp) P2 56,5 475 WERTHEIMER & FRERE A. FABRE 139.700
16 african rose gb f.ps. 3 ans P2 54,5 485 KHALID ABDULLAH MME C. HEAD-MAAREK 85.500
17 blue cayenne f.ps. 3 ans P1 54,5 455 ECURIE HARAS DE QUETIEVI MLLE SV. TARROU (S) 34.200

Good day for Mossee.....

Haven't seen full results yet... Did Frankie get a win?

Since we were talking about Baze here..... is this fair?

Thoughts?

From RP...


Baze granted ban amendment



Racing Post staff


RUSSELL BAZE'S appearance at the Dubai Duty Free Shergar Cup has not, as first feared, cost him the chance to ride in Grade 1 races at Saratoga later this month after the BHA accepted his application to have the dates of his Ascot whip ban amended.

Baze, the world's second winning most jockey, was handed a four-day suspensionon his first British ride when the Ascot stewards decided he had used his whip on Mac Gille Eoin "with excessive frequency and without allowing him sufficient time to respond".

Baze, who made his request to the BHA on Sunday, has had his penalty put back by two days, allowing him to compete in Grade 1 contests on August 23 and 24. He is now suspended on August 25, 26, 27 and 28.

It is fair because that is the rule we work with over here. If it is just one ban for a few days, the jockey can ask for it to be changed if they know they have mounts in any Gr1 race on any of those days.

Did this get attention over there, No Chance?

Curious...

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16215

No, not really. I heard about it and certainly commented on that thread. What he did then was out of order. What he did at the weekend was merely forgeting the rules of our racing. The ride he gave to the horse on Saturday would have been perfectly acceptable in America, but not here.

Remember this?

NEWMARKET
21 May 2005

3:10 Cheveley Park Stud King Charles II Stakes (Listed Race) (Class 1) (3yo) 7f

1 Council Member (USA) 6 Saeed Bin Suroor 3 8-12 Kerrin McEvoy 8/1 95 109
2 ½ Museeb 4 J L Dunlop 3 8-12 R Hills 2/1F 102 93 108
3 4 Aragorn (IRE) 7 D R Loder 3 8-12 Jamie Spencer 9/4 87 81 97
4 2 Santa Fe (IRE) 1 Sir Michael Stoute 3 8-12 Ted Durcan 10/1 105 75 92
5 5 Screwdriver 3 R Hannon 3 9-2 Ryan Moore 12/1 98 64 83
6 3 Party Boss 2 C E Brittain 3 9-2 Alan Munro 6/1 105 55 75
7 16 Golden Anthem (USA) 5 J Pearce 3 8-7 p T Quinn 50/1 90 — 25


(Sigh).

Happy retirement, Council Member.

:cool:

http://www.thenational.ae/article/20...1961142/-1/ART

:tro: