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Grits 03-29-2007 06:58 PM

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. The question asked was "who do you look like"? Rand, I didn't say that I look like a young Kathleen Turner.

I said, "I've been told that I look like Kathleen Turner before she aged and gained so much weight!!" Now that's quite different, than someone saying, "hey look at me, I look like a film star."

Get this correct, please. That's a bit boastful wouldn't you say!

Though yes, I have aged better than Turner, THAT I can, and will say, honestly. If I ever remotely come within fifty pounds of tipping the scales at 200, you talk about TILT . . . you won't be seeing Grits anywhere, much less Saratoga. No one will.

And besides, I'm still ahead in this deal. Hopefully, I'll have a better day tomorrow.

Dunbar 03-29-2007 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
I look in on it pretty much every day. If the banter runs out that's fine.
But I love studies and numbers so I would say keep it up. Its interesting to people that spend time thinking about their wagers.

And thanks to Randall for following through with the data collection and posting.

ditto, ditto, ditto.

This has been a great study. A near text case example in how a good test should be clearly outlined at the start and (hopefully) carried through to the end.

fwiw, I still think Randall's side will prevail.

--Dunbar

randallscott35 03-29-2007 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunbar
ditto, ditto, ditto.

This has been a great study. A near text case example in how a good test should be clearly outlined at the start and (hopefully) carried through to the end.

fwiw, I still think Randall's side will prevail.

--Dunbar

I don't. It will be close. Need that exacta % to get back to 30 to have a shot.

randallscott35 03-30-2007 06:55 PM

DAY 20 (NO DARK DAYS INCLUDED) MARCH 30, 2007 Carryover EXACTA BETTING +$191.10

Aqueduct: Race 3-- PL: 6.50 EX: 19.60
Aqueduct: Race 6-- PL: 14.20
Aqueduct: Race 7-- PL: 11.20

Gulfstream: Race 3-- PL: 23.00
Gulfstream: Race 4-- PL: 13.00
Gulfstream: Race 5-- PL: 11.20 + 15.40


Santa Anita: Race 1-- PL: 9.40 EX: 28.00
Santa Anita: Race 4-- PL: 25.20
Santa Anita: Race 6-- PL: 10.60
Santa Anita: Race 7-- PL: 15.00
Santa Anita: Race 8-- PL: 29.40



TOTALS SO FAR: EX- $2296.90 PL $2242.30
DIFFERENTIAL: EX +$54.60

Total Number of 10-1's or higher in spots 1 or 2: (147) Will Stop=250
Total Exactas so far: 48 (32.7%)



Maybe I was a closer all along? Seeing that shaving thread take that kind of turn today was interesting... Super Saturday awaits. Discreet Cat by 3. And Invasor not second. That's the call from this corner. Good luck to the players tomorrow.


Total Races Run At All Tracks During The Contest--462

Grits 03-30-2007 07:24 PM

Rand, maybe I will catch a few tomorrow. I hope so. Thank you for posting.

Dunbar 03-31-2007 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35



TOTALS SO FAR: EX- $2296.90 PL $2242.30
DIFFERENTIAL: EX +$54.60

Total Number of 10-1's or higher in spots 1 or 2: (147) Will Stop=250
Total Exactas so far: 48 (32.7%)



Maybe I was a closer all along? Seeing that shaving thread take that kind of turn today was interesting... Super Saturday awaits. Discreet Cat by 3. And Invasor not second. That's the call from this corner. Good luck to the players tomorrow.
Total Races Run At All Tracks During The Contest--462

O ye' of little faith. I'll still book action on the place bet.

And I'd book action on Invasor vs Discreet Cat, too. They're both outstanding horses, but Invasor is the proven entity.

--Dunbar

randallscott35 03-31-2007 08:57 PM

DAY 21 (NO DARK DAYS INCLUDED) MARCH 31, 2007 Carryover EXACTA BETTING +$54.60

Aqueduct: Race 4-- PL: 6.70 EX: 37.80
Aqueduct: Race 5-- PL: 7.50


Gulfstream: Race 1-- PL: 21.20 EX: 76.20
Gulfstream: Race 10-- PL: 6.20 EX: 22.20

Santa Anita: Race 1-- PL: 17.00
Santa Anita: Race 2-- PL: 9.60
Santa Anita: Race 3-- PL: 10.80
Santa Anita: Race 5-- PL: 10.20 EX: 45.80
Santa Anita: Race 10-- PL: 12.20



TOTALS SO FAR: EX- $2478.90 PL $2343.70
DIFFERENTIAL: EX +$135.20

Total Number of 10-1's or higher in spots 1 or 2: (156) Will Stop=250
Total Exactas so far: 52 (33.3%)


Two steps forward, one step back. Today was the step back. So you know what tomorrow is......


Total Races Run At All Tracks During The Contest--491

Grits 03-31-2007 09:31 PM

I did catch a few today didn't I? That's good. Tomorrow is Sunday, heaven help me. Every chalk going in the gate will run 3rd . . . let's put some money on it. LOL

Thank you for posting Rand.

randallscott35 04-01-2007 08:31 PM

DAY 23 (NO DARK DAYS INCLUDED) APRIL 1, 2007 Carryover EXACTA BETTING +$135.20

Gulfstream: Race 2-- PL: 20.60 + 19.60
Gulfstream: Race 9-- PL: 27.00
Gulfstream: Race 10-- PL: 12.20

Santa Anita: Race 1-- PL: 14.60 EX: 58.00
Santa Anita: Race 2-- PL: 8.60
Santa Anita: Race 8-- PL: 13.80 EX: 86.20
Santa Anita: Race 9-- PL: 7.40 EX: 29.60



TOTALS SO FAR: EX- $2652.70 PL $2467.50
DIFFERENTIAL: EX +$185.20

Total Number of 10-1's or higher in spots 1 or 2: (164) Will Stop=250
Total Exactas so far: 55 (33.5%)



Total Races Run At All Tracks During The Contest--510

Grits 04-01-2007 08:35 PM

Oooooo that's good for Sunday, I did better today than yesterday.

Rand, we're neck and neck, don't ya know it.

Thanks for posting, darlin'.

deltagulf 04-04-2007 07:35 PM

:cool:

yea it will go down to the wire to close to call. photo finish

keep up the good work guys.

randallscott35 04-04-2007 08:58 PM

DAY 24 (NO DARK DAYS INCLUDED) APRIL 4, 2007 Carryover EXACTA BETTING +$185.20

Aqueduct: Race 5-- PL: 20.00 EX: 63.00
Gulfstream: Race 3--PL: 8.80 EX: 44.20
Gulfstream: Race 5-- PL: 14.00
Gulfstream: Race 6-- PL: 9.20




TOTALS SO FAR: EX- $2759.90 PL $2519.50
DIFFERENTIAL: EX +$240.40

Total Number of 10-1's or higher in spots 1 or 2: (168) Will Stop=250
Total Exactas so far: 57 (33.9%)


Total Races Run At All Tracks During The Contest--537

Grits 04-04-2007 09:24 PM

Thank you Rand.

randallscott35 04-05-2007 03:47 PM

Without any objections, starting tomorrow I will be subbing Keeneland for Gulfstream as the quality and pool size is larger. Therefore the tracks going forward will be AQ, SA, and KEE. RS

Grits 04-05-2007 05:58 PM

And of course, that is excellent.

Thank you Rand.

randallscott35 04-05-2007 07:15 PM

DAY 25 (NO DARK DAYS INCLUDED) APRIL 5, 2007 Carryover EXACTA BETTING +$240.40

Aqueduct: Race 1-- PL: 12.20
Aqueduct: Race 4-- PL: 8.70
Aqueduct: Race 6-- PL: 11.80
Gulfstream: Race 1--PL: 12.20 + 10.80
Gulfstream: Race 8-- PL: 16.80
Gulfstream: Race 9-- PL: 13.40 + 53.40

Santa Anita: Race 2-- PL: 13.20 EX: 40.00
Santa Anita: Race 3-- PL: 14.00
Santa Anita: Race 8-- PL: 12.80



TOTALS SO FAR: EX- $2799.90 PL $2698.80
DIFFERENTIAL: EX +$101.10

Total Number of 10-1's or higher in spots 1 or 2: (179) Will Stop=250 (72% of the way through)
Total Exactas so far: 58 (32.4%)
A nice day for the dark side.


Total Races Run At All Tracks During The Contest--563

Dunbar 04-06-2007 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35
DAY 25 (NO DARK DAYS INCLUDED) APRIL 5, 2007 Carryover EXACTA BETTING +$240.40

Aqueduct: Race 1-- PL: 12.20
Aqueduct: Race 4-- PL: 8.70
Aqueduct: Race 6-- PL: 11.80
Gulfstream: Race 1--PL: 12.20 + 10.80
Gulfstream: Race 8-- PL: 16.80
Gulfstream: Race 9-- PL: 13.40 + 53.40

Santa Anita: Race 2-- PL: 13.20 EX: 40.00
Santa Anita: Race 3-- PL: 14.00
Santa Anita: Race 8-- PL: 12.80



TOTALS SO FAR: EX- $2799.90 PL $2698.80
DIFFERENTIAL: EX +$101.10

Total Number of 10-1's or higher in spots 1 or 2: (179) Will Stop=250 (72% of the way through)
Total Exactas so far: 58 (32.4%)
A nice day for the dark side.


Total Races Run At All Tracks During The Contest--563

Whoa! What a burst of speed by Place! I think Place is just toying with Exacta. Place can move by any time Place wants.

--Dunbar

randallscott35 04-06-2007 06:43 PM

DAY 26 (NO DARK DAYS INCLUDED) APRIL 6, 2007 Carryover EXACTA BETTING +$101.10

Aqueduct: Race 1-- PL: 15.60 + 15.80
Aqueduct: Race 3-- PL: 12.00 EX: 51.50
Aqueduct: Race 6-- PL: 19.40
Aqueduct: Race 9-- PL: 18.40 EX: 105.00

Keeneland: Race 2-- PL: 7.80

Santa Anita: Race 4-- PL: 12.80
Santa Anita: Race 5-- PL: 18.60
Santa Anita: Race 6-- PL: 7.00 EX: 13.60



TOTALS SO FAR: EX- $2970.00 PL $2826.20
DIFFERENTIAL: EX +$143.80

Total Number of 10-1's or higher in spots 1 or 2: (188) Will Stop=250
Total Exactas so far: 61 (32.4)


Total Races Run At All Tracks During The Contest--590

Grits 04-06-2007 09:44 PM

Randall, thank you.

randallscott35 04-07-2007 07:50 PM

DAY 27 (NO DARK DAYS INCLUDED) APRIL 7, 2007 Carryover EXACTA BETTING +$143.80

Aqueduct: Race 1-- PL: 11.80 + 59.50
Aqueduct: Race 3-- PL: 10.60
Aqueduct: Race 7-- PL: 9.90
Aqueduct: Race 8-- PL: 7.20 EX: 26.80
Aqueduct: Race 10-- PL: 12.80

Keeneland: Race 2-- PL: 9.40
Keeneland: Race 3-- PL: 12.40 EX: 53.00
Keeneland: Race 5-- PL: 14.20 + 11.00
Keeneland: Race 8-- PL: 8.60 + 12.60

Santa Anita: Race 3-- PL: 12.80 + 12.40
Santa Anita: Race 4-- PL: 46.60
Santa Anita: Race 6-- PL: 23.80
Santa Anita: Race 7-- PL: 10.80
Santa Anita: Race 8-- PL: 18.80
Santa Anita: Race 11-- PL: 10.80



TOTALS SO FAR: EX- $3049.80 PL $3142.20
DIFFERENTIAL: PL +$92.40

Total Number of 10-1's or higher in spots 1 or 2: (207) Will Stop=250
Total Exactas so far: 63 (30.4)


I like Grits the person, she is a nice lady. But Grits the food? Horrific....You know what else is horrific---this day for the exacta camp. There is a new leader in the clubhouse. As these fields are getting bigger, the cream is rising to the top. Long live the Empire.

Total Races Run At All Tracks During The Contest--621

Grits 04-07-2007 08:34 PM

I am one of the few Southern women that you would ever meet that does not like grits. I don't like polenta either.....they both taste like cardboard to me.

Thank you for posting Rand, you had a fine day with these prices.

Have a good evening.

randallscott35 04-07-2007 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grits
I am one of the few Southern women that you would ever meet that does not like grits. I don't like polenta either.....they both taste like cardboard to me.

Thank you for posting Rand, you had a fine day with these prices.

Have a good evening.

Still the lady, even after today's bloodbath...I need to move to the South.

Dunbar 04-08-2007 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35
TOTALS SO FAR: EX- $3049.80 PL $3142.20
DIFFERENTIAL: PL +$92.40

Total Number of 10-1's or higher in spots 1 or 2: (207) Will Stop=250
Total Exactas so far: 63 (30.4)


I like Grits the person, she is a nice lady. But Grits the food? Horrific....You know what else is horrific---this day for the exacta camp. There is a new leader in the clubhouse. As these fields are getting bigger, the cream is rising to the top. Long live the Empire.

Total Races Run At All Tracks During The Contest--621

The track take begins to exert its toll on the exactas!

Great thread, randall and Grits.

And I do love grits, the food. A little butter and salt, yum.

--Dunbar

Grits 04-08-2007 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunbar
The track take begins to exert its toll on the exactas!

Great thread, randall and Grits.

And I do love grits, the food. A little butter and salt, yum.

--Dunbar

Thank you Dunbar, I'm glad that you are enjoying the contest. Rand and I aim to please. LOL

With Santa Anita running today, we will have some results on Easter Sunday.

Me, I'll be enjoying a lovely Easter Buffet that I AM NOT cooking. (That making it more relaxing.)

Grits 04-08-2007 08:34 PM

DAY 28 APRIL 8, 2007 CARRYOVER EXACTA BETTING +$175.30

Only Santa Anita running today.

SA Race 7 PL. $9.00 EX. $29.20


Totals so far are:

Exactas $3079.00 Place $3151.20

Differential PL +$72.20

Total # of 10-1s or higher in spots 1 or 2: (208) will stop = 250

Total # of Exactas: 64

Dunbar 04-09-2007 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grits
DAY 28 APRIL 8, 2007 CARRYOVER EXACTA BETTING +$175.30

Only Santa Anita running today.

SA Race 7 PL. $9.00 EX. $29.20


Totals so far are:

Exactas $3079.00 Place $3151.00

Differential PL +$72.20

Total # of 10-1s or higher in spots 1 or 2: (208) will stop = 250

Total # of Exactas: 64

Grits, your Differential is correct, but your total for place should be $3151.20.

I don't want randall to miss out on that 20 cents!

--Dunbar

Grits 04-09-2007 11:34 AM

Thank you Dunbar.

I wish that you were taking care of this instead of myself. I really don't care to go through all of the tracks each day--besides, I don't know how to change the color of letters!!! LOL

Dunbar 04-09-2007 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grits
Thank you Dunbar.

I wish that you were taking care of this instead of myself. I really don't care to go through all of the tracks each day--besides, I don't know how to change the color of letters!!! LOL

Grits, I don't mind taking it over. If I get the okay from both you and randall, I'll start doing the updates.

btw, to see how randall gets the blue letters, all you have to do is "Quote" one of his posts and it will show (Color="Blue") inside brackets instead of parentheses. When randall is done with Blue he uses [/color].

See?

--Dunbar

Grits 04-09-2007 01:17 PM

Dunbar, that would be great, and you have Randall's permission via myself. And I certainly would not tell you this if he felt otherwise. I promise you.

We're almost done too. Not many more races.

Dunbar 04-09-2007 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grits
Dunbar, that would be great, and you have Randall's permission via myself. And I certainly would not tell you this if he felt otherwise. I promise you.

We're almost done too. Not many more races.

Okay, Grits, will do. I'll post the results using Randall's format.

--Dunbar

Grits 04-09-2007 01:43 PM

Thank you sweetheart. I appreciate it so!

I still may well be buying him his beverage of choice when we meet in Saratoga.

Dunbar 04-09-2007 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
She's NOT going to get killed. She will probably prove to have the right side as the mathematics are in her favor ( due to the dispersal of takeout ). It should be pretty close.

Seriously, don't take this the wrong way, but this is not a contest of who's right or wrong. It's a very good study.

Okay, burdened with the heavy responsibility of carrying this study forward, I felt I ought to re-read the thread. ;>)

Now I'm curious about what btwind meant by the part I highlighted above. Does the fact that the place payout is given in two pieces somehow overcome the fact that the exacta has a generally bigger takeout?

A dart thrower at Keenland is going to lose 16% plus breakage making place bets. His dart-throwing pal is going to lose 19% plus breakage betting exactas. It's not jumping out at me why the exactas have any mathematical edge. I'm asking because I may be missing something fundamental.

--Dunbar

Grits 04-09-2007 02:01 PM

Today, I believe Blackthroatedwind indicated he was traveling south of NY to Camden Yards and an afternoon of baseball. When he returns, he can clarify. If he misses your question, maybe send him a pm. He can clear it up I'm sure.

Dunbar 04-11-2007 08:16 PM

Nice day for the Exactas!

Day 29 (No dark days included) April 11, 2007
Carryover differential: PLACE BETTING +$72.20


AQ: Race2-- PL 7.60 EX 19.60
AQ: Race3-- PL 8.40 EX 35.40
AQ: Race5-- PL 13.00
AQ: Race8-- PL 16.60
KE: Race4-- PL 16.20 EX 97.40
KE: Race5-- PL 10.00
KE: Race5-- PL 13.20
KE: Race6-- PL 29.40 EX 98.00
KE: Race7-- PL 12.00
SA: Race3-- PL 13.60 EX 84.20
SA: Race4-- PL 11.80
SA: Race5-- PL 23.20
SA: Race7-- PL 15.80



Today's races: EX $334.60, PL $190.80
Today's differential: EX +$143.80

TOTALS SO FAR: EX $3413.60, PL $3342.00
OVERALL DIFFERENTIAL: EX +$71.60

Total Number of 10-1's or higher in spots 1 or 2: (221) Will Stop=250
Total Exactas so far: 69 (31%)

Total races run at all tracks during the contest--656


I've tried to keep it in Randall's format, but I've added a daily total. And when two 10-1 horses finish 1st and 2nd, as in Keenland Race 5, I am putting them on separate lines.

--Dunbar

Edited to make btwind's correction. (see below).

blackthroatedwind 04-11-2007 08:23 PM

You credited the 8th at Aqueduct as an exacta win and it wasn't as I believe the Frankel horse was the favorite.

Grits 04-11-2007 08:24 PM

Dunbar, this was a great day for exacta and place amounts.

You've done a fine job, thank you so much for taking over.

I will owe you as well.

Dunbar 04-11-2007 08:36 PM

You're welcome, Grits. Glad to do it.

Looks like it will be over in just a few days.

--Dunbar

Antitrust32 04-11-2007 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You credited the 8th at Aqueduct as an exacta win and it wasn't as I believe the Frankel horse was the favorite.

you are correct, the winner was the 2nd choice

Dunbar 04-11-2007 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You credited the 8th at Aqueduct as an exacta win and it wasn't as I believe the Frankel horse was the favorite.

I didn't see your post when I replied to Grits. Thanks for catching the mistake!

I'll correct it by editing the original post.

--Dunbar

Grits 04-12-2007 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunbar
I didn't see your post when I replied to Grits. Thanks for catching the mistake!

I'll correct it by editing the original post.

--Dunbar

Wouldn't you know it, last night, it the first . . . that I have not gone and checked results of all three tracks. Too tired.

Anyway, thankk you D.


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