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eurobounce 12-11-2006 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
Incredible, you deny any connection with the stuff a million times and now you talk about teh guy being your friend.
I knew it, I proclaimed it, and all your fair and unbiased views just **** the bed.

My friend has nothing to do with Poly. He works there--lol.

eurobounce 12-11-2006 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by todko
Even if the success is built on misinformation and lies?

Look at Enron. How many lives were destroyed because people like you wanted "their friends" to succeed?

Frankly, if one of my friends is lying and cheating other people, that SOB is automatically no longer my friend.

And also, what was the problem with the track that held up the second race after the horse broke down in the first race? The jocks complained about it -- didn't they? It was uneven and unsafe. Wait until you get a typical January. That track won't hold up.

How has anyone lied about Poly. Show me where someone lied.

todko 12-11-2006 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
I was at the rail on Sunday and I had two horses run and both scoped out clean and didnt have any breathing problems. I can only go by what my horses show and what the trainer and jock states. I am not happy with the amount of kickback because I think it should be less. However, it isnt as bad as it looks on TV is all I am saying. Can it improve---YES. Should it improve---YES.

What caused you to scope both horses? You like paying vet bills or something?

oracle80 12-11-2006 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
whos his friend

"marty" . That was the giveaway, when he called him Marty.
Euro is now the lowest form of internet life ever witnessed.
For over two years on here and on ESPN, he spoke nonstop of the great polytrack, etc. He spouted numbers and figs, and I questioned him a million times about having an interest in the stuff or being connected to it.
He lied like a bearskin rug all this time, until being cornered finally, today.
What a con man and what a breach of trust.
He sits here reading our stuff on it and reporting back to Marty, etc.
He advertises for it and lies about doing so, and in the end hes been exposed for what he is, which is what I proclaimed him to be over a year ago, a polytrack shill with an interest in it.
I hope everyone looks as dimly upon him now as i do. The guy has perpetuated a lie, and all the bull**** hes been spouting for two years is now exposed.
I guess you just cant trust some people.

eurobounce 12-11-2006 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by todko
What caused you to scope both horses? You like paying vet bills or something?

Both horses were coming off a long layoff due to an illness and we wanted to make sure they were ok.

Seattleallstar 12-11-2006 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
"marty" . That was the giveaway, when he called him Marty.
Euro is now the lowest form of internet life ever witnessed.
For over two years on here and on ESPN, he spoke nonstop of the great polytrack, etc. He spouted numbers and figs, and I questioned him a million times about having an interest in the stuff or being connected to it.
He lied like a bearskin rug all this time, until being cornered finally, today.
What a con man and what a breach of trust.
He sits here reading our stuff on it and reporting back to Marty, etc.
He advertises for it and lies about doing so, and in the end hes been exposed for what he is, which is what I proclaimed him to be over a year ago, a polytrack shill with an interest in it.
I hope everyone looks as dimly upon him now as i do. The guy has perpetuated a lie, and all the bull**** hes been spouting for two years is now exposed.
I guess you just cant trust some people.


hey oracle i found a nice horse for ya that ran in the 4th race in the Philippines

oracle80 12-11-2006 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Umm..you said a monetary connection which I do not have one. I just have a friend that is all. I havent been exposed either. That is because there is nothing to expose. Keep trying, but you wont find anything.

I never said money only, I asked one million times if you were connected to it any way.
I hope everyone else realizes your only reason for being here is to spout poly, and gain info on what people are saying to "marty".
You are in the same league as the George boys.

eurobounce 12-11-2006 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
"marty" . That was the giveaway, when he called him Marty.
Euro is now the lowest form of internet life ever witnessed.
For over two years on here and on ESPN, he spoke nonstop of the great polytrack, etc. He spouted numbers and figs, and I questioned him a million times about having an interest in the stuff or being connected to it.
He lied like a bearskin rug all this time, until being cornered finally, today.
What a con man and what a breach of trust.
He sits here reading our stuff on it and reporting back to Marty, etc.
He advertises for it and lies about doing so, and in the end hes been exposed for what he is, which is what I proclaimed him to be over a year ago, a polytrack shill with an interest in it.
I hope everyone looks as dimly upon him now as i do. The guy has perpetuated a lie, and all the bull**** hes been spouting for two years is now exposed.
I guess you just cant trust some people.

I dont know Marty. However, that is what he goes by. You want to say I have a connecting with someone because I call them Marty instead of Martin then you are really reaching here. You are making things up Oracle. And you are the liar. I am still waiting for you to show me where I said I lived in Cincinnati. You can't and you are a liar when it comes to that. You are trying to find something that isnt there because I can refute anything negative you say about PolyTrack and make you look like a fool.

eurobounce 12-11-2006 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
I never said money only, I asked one million times if you were connected to it any way.
I hope everyone else realizes your only reason for being here is to spout poly, and gain info on what people are saying to "marty".
You are in the same league as the George boys.

A person saying that enough is enough when it comes to Poly is spouting it--that it hilarious. I apologize, I thought you meant a monetary connection. If you have a friend that works for Hollywoood, Woodbine, Turfway, Keeneland and now Arlington then I would hope you would want your friend to keep his/her job so they can feed their family then I guess you would connection. Lord Oracle, you are reaching here and it is embarrassing for you.

Seattleallstar 12-11-2006 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Lord Oracle, you are reaching here and it is embarrassing for you.

I know tell me about it

eurobounce 12-11-2006 11:53 AM

Oracle, answer this question.....why are you so oppossed to a third surface. Never mind what people have said. I want your thoughts as to why having a third surface is bad for the game.

Seattleallstar 12-11-2006 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Oracle, answer this question.....why are you so oppossed to a third surface. Never mind what people have said. I want your thoughts as to why having a third surface is bad for the game.


cause Oracle cant handicap races on that surface to save his life

Cajungator26 12-11-2006 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
I have looked at the negatives and I have said that enough is enough when it comes to a synthetic surface. I believe there should be a 3rd surface. Do the negatives outweigh the positives--imo, NO. Are the negatives that people bring up a big deal NO. The kickback is no big deal, the clumping can be a minor problem. Do you want to the know the real negative of a synthetic surface that no one mentions....well here it is and this one is a HUGE deal. The surface is so forgiving that it is hard to detect a minor injury that can compound in a serious one. For example: horses with a stone bruise travel effortlessly over the surface. Get them on a dirt surface and they are in pain. To me this is the major problem with Poly. Kickback, clumps, breathing are just topics to bitch. If you want to talk the negatives then bring up a true negative--not something to bitch about.

Actually, if I recall, Cunningham brought that issue up numerous times...

We won't know the full impact on breathing issues for a while, anyway... this is the kind of stuff that may not show an immediate reaction, but may show it later on in life. I, for one, believe that it would have been more beneficial to spend the money needed to improve on the condition of the former dirt surface, rather than the millions spent on this synthetic stuff.

oracle80 12-11-2006 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Oracle, answer this question.....why are you so oppossed to a third surface. Never mind what people have said. I want your thoughts as to why having a third surface is bad for the game.

Not opposed to a third surface at all, as long as it can be offered at a trackj with traditional dirt, which noone has done or will do,
Its a dirt replacement, not a third surface, because not one track has THREE surfaces, no room for them.
And the marketers are flat out liars.

eurobounce 12-11-2006 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Actually, if I recall, Cunningham brought that issue up numerous times...

We won't know the full impact on breathing issues for a while, anyway... this is the kind of stuff that may not show an immediate reaction, but may show it later on in life. I, for one, believe that it would have been more beneficial to spend the money needed to improve on the condition of the former dirt surface, rather than the millions spent on this synthetic stuff.

I agree with you when it comes to a place like Keeneland and the Cali tracks. But for a place like Woodbine and Turfway it makes more sense to have a synthetic surface. I dont remember Cunningham posting that but thanks for letting us know.

oracle80 12-11-2006 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
I know tell me about it

Look Seattle,
asa 26 year old guy who has never lived away from mommy and daddy,and who doesnt posess a drivers liscense, you should know your place in the grand scheme of things.
To help you understand what that is, here is what you need to do.
Go outside after breakfast, and go and find a pond or a river or a swampy area. Pick up a rock right near the water and look underneath. If you have any questions after this, give us a shout and we can help you out with it.
Mommy and Daddy take you to Chuck E Cheese this past weekend?

Cajungator26 12-11-2006 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
I agree with you when it comes to a place like Keeneland and the Cali tracks. But for a place like Woodbine and Turfway it makes more sense to have a synthetic surface. I dont remember Cunningham posting that but thanks for letting us know.

Why do you think Woodbine and Turfway need polytrack as opposed to Keeneland and the Cali tracks? I'm interested in knowing your thoughts.

Cajungator26 12-11-2006 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
Look Seattle,
asa 26 year old guy who has never lived away from mommy and daddy,and who doesnt posess a drivers liscense, you should know your place in the grand scheme of things.
To help you understand what that is, here is what you need to do.
Go outside after breakfast, and go and find a pond or a river or a swampy area. Pick up a rock right near the water and look underneath. If you have any questions after this, give us a shout and we can help you out with it.
Mommy and Daddy take you to Chuck E Cheese this past weekend?

He should have joined us and gave his parents a break! HAHA I took my 3 year old! :D

dr. fager 12-11-2006 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Why do you think Woodbine and Turfway need polytrack as opposed to Keeneland and the Cali tracks? I'm interested in knowing your thoughts.

ever been to Canada this time of year?....ok now how about LA this time of year?

:p

eurobounce 12-11-2006 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
Not opposed to a third surface at all, as long as it can be offered at a trackj with traditional dirt, which noone has done or will do,
Its a dirt replacement, not a third surface, because not one track has THREE surfaces, no room for them.
And the marketers are flat out liars.

I dont understand, why do they need a dirt surface as well. Oaklawn and Turfway dont have a turf so why does only having one surface matter. To me it is a 3rd surface. And of course it replaced dirt at Turway etc etc-u are a genius to figure that one out. So I dont understand when you say it is a dirt replacement.


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