Just because they're the best minds in the sport doesn't mean they are immune to mistakes.

Anyways, what is Baffert going to say? He probably walks by Shirreffs on a daily basis, he's not going to say anything that would make working around him uncomfortable. You wouldn't go into an office and start criticizing all your co workers.

You might have a little bit of credibility if you spelled Allen Jerkens name right. Or if you weren't a babbling idiot.

Great post, Dunbar.


That last line especially... dead on.

Handicappy...

I'm sorry but what exactly makes their opinions more credible?

There are people here who have followed the sport, who have played for decades.

I would respectfully remind you to look at the spreadsheet thread and suggest that the opinions of many here are, at the very least, just as credible.

i'm not sure why you and others feel zenyatta is being 'discredited' by anyone. the fact is, that zenyatta has ZERO wins in 2010 in open company. blame's wins all occurred in open stakes company. that fact alone suggests that he had a tougher campaign. it's not a discredit, it's not opinion or conjecture. again, had she been any mare other than zenyatta, she'd have never garnered a vote, let alone win the thing. everyone knows why she won-and many disagree with giving horse of the YEAR to a horse who had to campaign three years to receive that award.

he agrees with them, they support his view, thus they are credible.

Really?!~

I'm not even sure that if anyone were to look at the pp's of the candidates, without having her name attatched to them, Zenyatta would have even been named champion older mare in 2010. Her "campaign" was that weak. Of course, you can't blame her for her competition when she runs in the races that are supposed to be the best ones but you can blame her connections for not even trying the toughest races available to them. Shirreffs himself said that he never really considered running her against the males this year in races in California because those races are tough. He seriously said that. Yet, his horse gets rewarded as HOY because he avoided tough races? We've previously had Cigar, Skip Away, and Curlin be named HOY after losing the Classic so this is not the first time. But in each of those cases, they had built up enough "credits" to get a pass for losing. Zenyatta didn't. They made a calculated decision to put all of their eggs in one basket for the title and they lost.

Seabiscuit should have been HOY because he brought millions in at the box office. On track results don't seem to matter anymore.