HAHAH!!

Dumb and Dumber!

I think he choked.

I put Haynesfield 3rd. QR-Blame-Haynesfield was my 1-2-3 in the paper.

Breeding didn't worry me about Haynesfield - he's already proven he could get 10fs.

Dale Romans came out and told the press several days before the BC Classic that he wanted to be "laying about 4th" with First Dude and "about 3 or 4 lengths off of the lead"

When Romans said he was going to instruct his jockey to take First Dude off of the pace ... I expected a slow pace. Anyone who knows anything - knows that Ramon Dominguez and John Velazquez are two guys who are notorious for avoiding duels.

I expected a similar scenerio to the Whitney to unfold. Quality Road to walk on the lead - and Haynesfield to sit about a length back while rating. Instead, not true to Dale Romans word .. First Dude ran off to the lead and baked the speed horses - and setup the closers.

Smith rode a very good race. He's lucky Jose Lezcano wasn't still on Fly Down and Julian Leperoux was... Julian was oblivious to Zenyatta while riding his own horse - and he let her out of a trap. Smith would have been stopped cold had Julian not angled Fly Down out so soon.

Icon Project would have beat her by DAYLIGHT IN THE PERSONAL ENSIGN. Zenyatta would just be making her move when the Icon opens up by 7. It would have been ugly for big Z that day.

Ya but Icon Project was an all-time great.

Joel Rosario never said he thought about pulling Make Music For Me up. Jockeys don't pull up come-from-behinders for being too far back. They pull them up when they don't feel right.

Your opinion is the one that is amusing. My opinion is shared by every trainer on the west coast that I've talked to. It's also shared by Mike Smith. But I guess you know Zenyatta better than Mike Smith since you thought she wouldn't finish within 10 lengths in the Classic.

Let me see. They went the first 3 furlongs in :35. Zenyatta was 20 lengths back. She went the first 3 fulongs in about :39. She finished in 2:02 1/5. You do the math.

Most jockeys and exercise riders may not be geniuses, but they can certainly tell when a horse they ride regularly doesn't feel right.

If they would have gone :48 and 1:12, the outcome would have been no different. Maybe Quality Road loses by 20 lengths instead of 25. Maybe First Dude loses by 8 lengths instead of 11 lengths.

Wow - you are truly weapons grade stupid. You actually think there are 5 lengths in a second? Tears, Jerry, Tears.

Mathematically speaking, a length should equal 1/5th of a second only when a horse travels a furlong in 15 seconds. Do you have a harness racing background or something?

It obviously depends on the rate of speed....but as a rule of thumb, one full second equals about six lengths.

I told you already - based on the information in the result chart - Zenyatta ran her final mile in 1:36.27 - and final six furlongs in 1:12.59 - those times come from Formulator's chart.

You - keep saying she ran her final seven furlongs in 1:23 1/5.

Which means you keep insisting that she ran the 4th furlong of the race in 10.61 seconds... after running her 3rd furlong of the race in 13.07 seconds.

Every trainer on the West Coast thought Zenyatta didn't feel right to them early on ... and yet she overcame this ailment that plagued her so terribly through the first three furlongs of the race?

Yeah, ok.

Are you implying 7/1 shot Quality Road put in a non-effort - gee, no kidding.

By the way - I watched Cowboys Get Even get dusted by double digits at Charles Town last week to a horse that was in for a $12,500 claiming tag...he's yet to win and has burned a lot of money since that brilliant thread you started about him ....

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33856

Here's a chart of his most recent race in case you've finally given up and stopped following him.

http://www1.drf.com/drfNCWeeklyHorse...01112&raceNo=8

uncle.....

Winter in Erie is looooooooonnng.

Opposite of uncle.

This is beyond mind-blowing in its awesomeness.

Thanks. There's some good entertainment in that thread.

Yikes

If you ever watch horses train in the morning or if you ever read any of the clockers' reports (Mike Welsch's for example), then you know that there are plenty of horses that are stiff when they first come on the track and they may take a half-mile to warm up. Some of them look very choppy in the beginning of their gallops but once they warm up they look much better.

Zenyatta looked very stiff early in the race. That's not debatable. Anyone that knows what they are looking at will tell you this. The most likely reason she was so stiff in the early going of the race was because they did not warm her up in the post parade. It was 40 degrees out. That was a big mistake.

I know why they never warm her up. They never warm her up in the post parade because they want to keep her calm. They can get away with that when it's 70 degrees out, but not when it's 40 degrees. I can't really fault Mike Smith though because the guy obviously did not want to change a routine that has worked 19 out of 19 times.

She didn't look stiff to me. Life at Ten looked stiff.